Proof Muhammad was a Pedophile

[Joeri]

its a false argument whether pedophilia is a sin or not.

pedophile is a sin. why. because its illegal. why is it illegal. because its a sin. in holland its called a circlereasoning.

 

[Quath]

its a false argument whether pedophilia is a sin or not.

pedophile is a sin. why. because its illegal. why is it illegal. because its a sin. in holland its called a circlereasoning.

I think it would be a sin because the Bible only supports sex inside marriage (at least for females).

Bible stories that show sex outside marriage are usually trying to show the trouble it leads to, not endorsing it.

Quath

 

[Joeri]

its a false argument whether pedophilia is a sin or not.

pedophile is a sin. why. because its illegal. why is it illegal. because its a sin. in holland its called a circlereasoning.

I think it would be a sin because the Bible only supports sex inside marriage (at least for females).

Bible stories that show sex outside marriage are usually trying to show the trouble it leads to, not endorsing it.

Quath

Theres a better argument. Now how about those cultures where men marry girl age 10 or so. :-D such as muhammads culture.
Btw, in Gods spirit, the very spiritually advanced are beyond such rules.

 

[Quath]

Theres a better argument. Now how about those cultures where men marry girl age 10 or so. :-D such as muhammads culture.

Well, I disagree a lot with cultures like that since they are very demeaning to women. But if you are trying to follow the Bible, you have to marry before you can have sex. If the laws around you say that it is ok to marry 10 year olds, then I see nothing in the Bible that forbids that.

Btw, in Gods spirit, the very spiritually advanced are beyond such rules.

Not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that if someone claims to be spiritually advanced, they can ignore all of God's rules?

Quath

 

[Joeri]

Well, I disagree a lot with cultures like that since they are very demeaning to women.

So is the bible, or at least the apostle Paul :-D

But if you are trying to follow the Bible, you have to marry before you can have sex. If the laws around you say that it is ok to marry 10 year olds, then I see nothing in the Bible that forbids that.

me neither.

Not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that if someone claims to be spiritually advanced, they can ignore all of God's rules?
Quath

It doesnt matter what anyone claims, what matters is what God the Father claims. he decided the sanctity of marriage. He or his son who has all power but doesnt disobey him anyway, can also overrule that law, or overrule it for some people, maybe because those people have specific tasks, or are simply advanced enough. in heaven there is no marriage. for some, they are so advanced that earth and heaven are 1 whole and they dont see earth as a hell.
just speaking my experience here :angel:

joeri

 

[Quath]

He or his son who has all power but doesnt disobey him anyway, can also overrule that law, or overrule it for some people, maybe because those people have specific tasks, or are simply advanced enough.

So how do you know who is advanced or been given a task of God?

Quath

 

[Joeri]

He or his son who has all power but doesnt disobey him anyway, can also overrule that law, or overrule it for some people, maybe because those people have specific tasks, or are simply advanced enough.

So how do you know who is advanced or been given a task of God?

Quath

If you ask God and have a good enough relationship.
but why should you know? knowing that not every thing, especially 'crimes' are in Gods eyes the same as in human eyes.
What is important is that we do what God tells us :angel:
jm2cents
Love,
Joeri
P.S. everyone has tasks given by God.

 

[evanman]

He or his son who has all power but doesnt disobey him anyway, can also overrule that law, or overrule it for some people, maybe because those people have specific tasks, or are simply advanced enough.

So how do you know who is advanced or been given a task of God?

Quath

David Berg used that "logic" to justify his sexual perversions. He believed that God had exceptions too! You're not one of his followers are you?

 

[Joeri]

He or his son who has all power but doesnt disobey him anyway, can also overrule that law, or overrule it for some people, maybe because those people have specific tasks, or are simply advanced enough.

So how do you know who is advanced or been given a task of God?

Quath

David Berg used that "logic" to justify his sexual perversions. He believed that God had exceptions too! You're not one of his followers are you?

I dont know David Berg. who is he and what did he do. I am Gods follower for if I werent he wouldnt fullfill my every prayer neither would i hear his voice-even though it is as clear as my own thoughts and therefore i dont always recognise it.
exceptions? God is the maker of the law. He can do what he wants.
jesus overruled sabbath. the laws has a reason and christ explained the reason was at its core something which people do not have, but God does. Love.

 

[Quath]

I am Gods follower for if I werent he wouldnt fullfill my every prayer neither would i hear his voice-even though it is as clear as my own thoughts and therefore i dont always recognise it.

How does He answer your prayers? Do they always come true or does He answer "Yes", "No" or "Not now" (basically any result or lack of result is an answer)?

How sure are you that you are hearing God and not your own inner voice? There is an easy test. I am thinking of a number. The omnipotent God would know this number. If He tells you the number, then you know it is God. Why should He not tell you? Doesn't He want you to really know it is Him?

Tell me the number and I will let you know if you are right.

Quath

 

[Gary]

More red herrings from Quath the atheist.

The tread is "Proof Muhammad was a Pedophile" and, as usual, Quath introduces one of his red herrings.

(And he claims he is here to LEARN!)

 

[Joeri]

I am Gods follower for if I werent he wouldnt fullfill my every prayer neither would i hear his voice-even though it is as clear as my own thoughts and therefore i dont always recognise it.

How does He answer your prayers? Do they always come true or does He answer "Yes", "No" or "Not now" (basically any result or lack of result is an answer)?

How sure are you that you are hearing God and not your own inner voice? There is an easy test. I am thinking of a number. The omnipotent God would know this number. If He tells you the number, then you know it is God. Why should He not tell you? Doesn't He want you to really know it is Him?

Tell me the number and I will let you know if you are right.

Quath

well as i said hes not so clear i just know i pray for something and i hear the answer which later is manifested in the real world or sometimes i dont hear an answer but what i prayed for just happens with accuracy.
the first number entering my mind is 7. but as i said, hes as clear as my own thoughts and i dont always know which source it is indeed.
it might be my own fear

 

[Quath]

The number was -1 + SQRT(2)*i. Take from that what you will.

Gary_Bee is right and I have pushed this off topic. So I will try to post in the future on the original direction of this thread.

Quath

 

[Gary]

I prayed that God would reveal the number IF He wanted it revealed (In His will).

Again, God used the arrogance of Quath to reveal the number!! This is in fact the second time this has worked in this way.

Praise God!



P.S. The link below on Muhammad shows, using Islamic sources, that Muhammad was a child molester.
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/muhammad/

 

[Joeri]

P.S. The link below on Muhammad shows, using Islamic sources, that Muhammad was a child molester.
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/muhammad/

Oh (edited for rudeness) so is my God. he crucifies his son :P

 

[evanman]

God did not crucify Jesus, the Romans did at the behest of the jewish authorities!

Jesus volunteered for this task, he could have said, "No!" at any point and would have been perfectly entitled to say, "No!" at any point along the way!

He lay down His life, it wasn't wrested from Him.

Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

 

[Quath]

Again, God used the arrogance of Quath to reveal the number!! This is in fact the second time this has worked in this way.

That's funny. Reminds me of a game we played in kindergarden. I would bet someone I could get them to say the word "blue." They would agree. I would say "Say 'orange.'" and they would. I would say "See I told you I could get you to say 'orange.'" They would say "No. You said you couldn't get me to say 'blue.'" Then they realize they just said it.

Quath

 

[Joeri]

God did not crucify Jesus, the Romans did at the behest of the jewish authorities!

Jesus volunteered for this task, he could have said, "No!" at any point and would have been perfectly entitled to say, "No!" at any point along the way!

He lay down His life, it wasn't wrested from Him.

Jhn 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Jhn 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

psalm 89 clearly states God has struck the throne of his anointed to the ground.

 

[evanman]

Read Psalm 89--must have missed it.

Reference please!

 

[Joeri]

Read Psalm 89--must have missed it.

Reference please!

-->38 But you have rejected, you have spurned,
you have been very angry with your anointed one.
-->39 You have renounced the covenant with your servant
and have defiled his crown in the dust.
40 You have broken through all his walls
and reduced his strongholds to ruins.
41 All who pass by have plundered him;
he has become the scorn of his neighbors.
42 You have exalted the right hand of his foes;
you have made all his enemies rejoice.
43 You have turned back the edge of his sword
and have not supported him in battle.
-->44 You have put an end to his splendor
and cast his throne to the ground.
*45 You have cut short the days of his youth;
you have covered him with a mantle of shame.
Selah

46 How long, O LORD ? Will you hide yourself forever?
How long will your wrath burn like fire?
47 Remember how fleeting is my life.
For what futility you have created all men!
48 What man can live and not see death,
or save himself from the power of the grave [5] ?
Selah
49 O Lord, where is your former great love,
which in your faithfulness you swore to David?
50 Remember, Lord, how your servant has [6] been mocked,
how I bear in my heart the taunts of all the nations,
51 the taunts with which your enemies have mocked, O LORD ,
with which they have mocked every step of your anointed one.

*shortened the days of his youth?