Proof of Trinity

[Rollo Tamasi]

Hebrews 9:14;

"How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God"!

Is this the Trinity all in one sentence?

 

[Knotical]

That is one example of it, yes.

Another is where Jesus calls us to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[jasoncran]

the trinity is supportable but well enjoy trying to grasp what is seen in visions of the prophets and john.

 

[farouk]

Then what is Jesus.
An angel?
An unknown type of spirit?
What?

Philippians 2: 'He thought it not robbery to be equal with God'.

Hebrews 1: 'Unto the Son he saith: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever'.

John 1.14: 'The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us; and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth'.

 

[JLB]

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

 

[farouk]

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Another great New Testament verse about the glorious deity of the Lord Jesus Christ!

'In Thee most perfectly expressed
The Father's glories shine,
Of the full Deity possessed,
Eternally Divine.

But the high mys'tries of Thy Name,
An angel's grasp transcend,
The Father only - glorious claim! -
The Son can comprehend.'

(J.Conder.)

 

[gr8grace3]

Titus 2:13~~while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

 

[gr8grace3]

Jesus was created by his Father, Jehovah God. In fact, the very first thing that God made was Jesus, hence, the Bible calls him "the firstborn of all creation," and "the beginning of the creation by God." (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14) After Jesus was created, at some point, he came to be "beside him [God] as a master worker," and then Jehovah used his Son to create all other things. (Proverbs 8:30; John 1:3)

Created?

John 1:1-5~~1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.(Still can't)

 

[Navigator]

Created?

John 1:1-5~~1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.(Still can't)

And I've always this passage with the thought that "the Word" is actually Jesus. John seemed to like calling Jesus by names that describe His character or being rather than actually calling Him Jesus all of the time, so I suspect this is one of those times, otherwise this is a very confusing passage. Like WHO else would "the Word" be?

And this explicitly says that the Word was God. Not created by Him, but God Himself.

I'm not saying that you are saying the opposite of what I've said; I'm just using your post to explain my views, which mirror most on here.

 

[th1b.taylor]

How does Hebrews 9:14 give proof of a Trinity? The same question applies to Matthew 28:19, 20. If you read those verses, there is nothing in those texts that say there is one God in three persons who are equal in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Rather than teach such a thing as the Trinity, the Bible actually teaches that God is simply one, not three in one: "Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

Additionally, Jesus never identified himself as Almighty God, nor did he say that he was equal to God. Rather, Jesus referred to himself as "God's Son," and taught: "The Father is greater than I am." (John 10:36; 14:28) Jesus also showed that he had a God above him, a God whom he worshipped, when he told Mary: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." (John 20:17; emphasis mine) Indeed, rather than viewing himself as God, Jesus called his heavenly Father, that is, Jehovah God, "the only true God." (John 17:3)

Mikey,
Every Jewish believer that has ever lived and has, to any extent, studied the Torah and the accounts of the Council will poo-fah you and just giggle at the silliness of your statement. They and almost all of the well studied Christian Scolars know they need to read, in context and between the lines, but they know that without uttering the exact words, Jesus did proclaim He was God.

And then look at John 1 and use any Chain Referance and work from there. Or do the Nave's study.

 

[wendy]

Jesus was created by his Father, Jehovah God. In fact, the very first thing that God made was Jesus, hence, the Bible calls him "the firstborn of all creation," and "the beginning of the creation by God." (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14) After Jesus was created, at some point, he came to be "beside him [God] as a master worker," and then Jehovah used his Son to create all other things. (Proverbs 8:30; John 1:3)

This is why I have made other comments, although not generally accepted about the Bible teachings and using quotes...not for the purpose of dismissing others reviews, but because the obvious demonstrates itself through the quotes still questioning ancient teachings. I was taught as a Catholic that Jesus Christ was born in December and died many years later in 33AD. Yet when you read biblical statements, how could God have created Jesus before he was born 2AD as the beginning of creation? Therefore it is obvious that the books were written as a purpose of a generalized over view of God and our Father to record the Acts of Creation as recorded information until the Year 33AD.

This would be the reason why very old text as script has been looked at and documented to have a very pre historical informed story lines involved in the later day religious texts.

If you review the Bible as an over view situation, you would realize that the Old Testaments have Christ information in them, and yet he was stated to be a new born child. Therefore it is important to have these realizations. Have we actually been taught the truth to the spirit information or have we been taught a version of the truth.

If Jesus were the firstborn of Creation, then it would infer that Adam and Eve who were the first recorded humans in Earth Heaven, changed the state of our Father's creation. They caused the Earth (which is proven archaeologically) to be converted by a Satanic Act. Satan could not be present in our Father's Light Heaven because only Holy Spirits exist in this Heaven. Therefore the record of Jesus would imply that the angelic spirit sound of our Father was sacrificed in the Earth stone to cause it to seal. The firstborn, being the Alpha Man as an alpha spirit frequency would imply the firstborn spirit in the Earth Heaven atmosphere began the new Earth Heaven creation. This would prove that our Father sacrificed his own spirit to save humanity through his Son Jesus as the sacrifice itself.

The creation Act would therefore be the sacrifice to cause life to return to Earth, which had been lost because of Adam and Eve.

If you believe in angelic contact, I have had it myself and was told that our Father saved the Earth from being destroyed in his origin Creation. Father continued to sing against the act of stone conversion caused by Adam and Eve through the Satanic contact they caused. To prove this situation can only be through archaeological discovery, and archaeology has discovered human artifacts and implements that pre date ancient dinosaurs. Therefore evolution is debunked by both the Bible records and also archaeology.

 

[Knotical]

John 1:1-4 can be used to refute plenty of false doctrines. One that comes readily to mind is the Arian controversy, where prior to the first council of Nicea one of the leaders of the church promoted the idea that "there was when He was not" suggesting that Jesus did not exist at the time of creation, but as this passage points out, He clearly was.

 

[th1b.taylor]

John 1:1-4 can be used to refute plenty of false doctrines. One that comes readily to mind is the Arian controversy, where prior to the first council of Nicea one of the leaders of the church promoted the idea that "there was when He was not" suggesting that Jesus did not exist at the time of creation, but as this passage points out, He clearly was.

K,
You are spot on so this is not in spite of what you posted because I use the beginning of John, just as you do, to point folks to the truth.

Now, what a mess! God is a Triune God, and as Barry is fond of, or was, period! There is no beginning and there is no end to God, the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit!

God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are are spirit beings, with no physical extension in the Time/Space continuum created for our benefit. Until God the Son put His deity aside and was born in the body of the infant, Jesus, He also was a spirit being, appearing in the form of a man, only, when He chose to do so.

As I have taught, so many times, it hurts to repeat it, "no" verse nor "any" collection of verses can be removed from the scriptures for understanding the meaning of them, the Holy Scriptures are self interpreting to he or she that believes and does not quench the Spirit that indwells every living Christian!

Now, many are the ?Christians? that do not know the Holy Spirit on a moment by moment basis and needs to do, what I have termed, a Spiritual Inventory.

A Spiritual Inventory is done by, first, reading "all" of the Holy Scriptures. That means reading the Bible, the one Jesus taught from, the first 39 books, known as the Old testament to the Christian, as well as reading the only God ordained Life Application Commentary, ever written, the New Testament. Then, after you have a basic knowledge of the teachings of Jesus, examine yourself in the light of all scripture.

But, the long and the short of the matter is that God, in three persons, always has been and always will be!

 

[Eugene]

Gen 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.”

Col 1:15 Who (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Is Jesus God? He proclaims Himself to be so.

Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness (Mt 3.3 John the Baptist), Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah – the official name of God).

Isa 43:11 - I (Jesus), even I, am the LORD (Jehovah); and beside me there is no saviour (also in Acts 4:12).

Created? Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

 

[teddy trueblood]

What's the point of a "discussion" concerning a subject which is off-limits for anyone who dissents?

 

[Eugene]

What's the point of a "discussion" concerning a subject which is off-limits for anyone who dissents?

There may be no profit, but I would hope something I said to two JW women that came to my door yesterday might also be a testimony to them, but it is God that must give the increase. Am I wasting my time? God gave Jesus for them. Them that do not receive the truth will have that refused as a testimony against them (Mar 6:11). In either scenario we are rewarded for having presented Him to all creation.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[teddy trueblood]

What's the point of a "discussion" concerning a subject which is off-limits for anyone who dissents?

There may be no profit, but I would hope something I said to two JW women that came to my door yesterday might also be a testimony to them, but it is God that must give the increase. Am I wasting my time? God gave Jesus for them. Them that do not receive the truth will have that refused as a testimony against them (Mar 6:11). In either scenario we are rewarded for having presented Him to all creation.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

That’s very commendable, Eugene. But the faith of those 2 women is as strong as any other Christian’s. And I’ll bet they would have been more than willing to discuss ‘proofs’ of the trinity with you. Did they listen to what you had to say? Did you then listen to what they had to say?

To be parallel to what happens on many Christian discussion sites, we would see the two JW women come to your door. Then, when you wanted to discuss who God is, they would have listened intently to you. And then when they tried to answer your discussion points, you would slam the door in their faces. (I hope you didn’t do that, this is only a comparison.)

 

[Eugene]

What's the point of a "discussion" concerning a subject which is off-limits for anyone who dissents?


That’s very commendable, Eugene. But the faith of those 2 women is as strong as any other Christian’s. And I’ll bet they would have been more than willing to discuss ‘proofs’ of the trinity with you. Did they listen to what you had to say? Did you then listen to what they had to say?

To be parallel to what happens on many Christian discussion sites, we would see the two JW women come to your door. Then, when you wanted to discuss who God is, they would have listened intently to you. And then when they tried to answer your discussion points, you would slam the door in their faces. (I hope you didn'’t do that, this is only a comparison.)

No Teddy, many times I have invited them of different religions such as JW's and Mormons into my home. When I have presented the truth of Jesus being God there seems to be a decided change in their need to leave. One believes Jesus was just a god, and the other believes He was the brother of Satan; both believe He was created.

To answer your thought of them listening to me, after they presented what they wanted, they did listen for a very short time, but when they could no longer find answers for my questions they needed to leave for something or the other. They were very programmed to their doctrines only it seemed. Are they Christians? They don't believe they're saved; am I to believe so?

 

[teddy trueblood]

No Teddy, many times I have invited them of different religions such as JW's and Mormons into my home. When I have presented the truth of Jesus being God there seems to be a decided change in their need to leave. One believes Jesus was just a god, and the other believes He was the brother of Satan; both believe He was created.

To answer your thought of them listening to me, after they presented what they wanted, they did listen for a very short time, but when they could no longer find answers for my questions they needed to leave for something or the other. They were very programmed to their doctrines only it seemed. Are they Christians? They don't believe they're saved; am I to believe so?

I haven't found JW's to be that way. But, nevertheless, the point was that certain discussion groups will not allow honest discussion. They "slam the door."

 

[Eugene]

I haven't found JW's to be that way. But, nevertheless, the point was that certain discussion groups will not allow honest discussion. They "slam the door."

Have you ever discussed the divinity of our Lord with them, or asked if they are saved? If they really are JW's they wont agree. Ask about Charles Russel, Judge Rutherford, the house of security in San Diego, and prophesies of the time of the end. I worked with one man that was an hour long speaker I think he said it was at JW meetings; within three years he and his wife were attending the assembly I go to. Plant a seed and it's possible it'll grow.