Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 & 39 Nations

[for_his_glory]

The battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus is detailed in Revelation chapter 19 before the start of chapter 20. Chapter 20 reveals the first resurrection and those who take part in it. This is the rapture/first resurrection. The only battle revealed in Chapter 20 is the battle that happens 1000 years after the battle of Armageddon when satan shall be released from the bottomless pit for a short time. The Battle in Revelation 20 is the very last battle. And there is only one battle mentioned in Revelation 20.

Only if one believes in a rapture before some "Great Tribulation" which is never mentioned in scripture as scripture states we will always have tribulation until the return of Christ when He makes an end to all abominations or in other words and end to sin. I also believe the 1000 years to be as one day with the Lord and not a literal 1000 years and that all things will happen simultaneously when Christ returns.

 

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Only if one believes in a rapture before some "Great Tribulation" which is never mentioned in scripture as scripture states we will always have tribulation until the return of Christ when He makes an end to all abominations or in other words and end to sin. I also believe the 1000 years to be as one day with the Lord and not a literal 1000 years and that all things will happen simultaneously when Christ returns.

Well i am not a Pre-tribulation rapture believer. I believe the rapture will happen on the day of the retun of the Messiah Jesus.
I do how ever believe in the great tribulation. Jesus said:

Matthew 24: KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is the great tribulation.

Yes the Bible states that we will always have tribulation. But Matthew 24 states that there shall be a time where tribulation will be at it's greatest.

I believe that 1000 years will be 1000 years.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well i am not a Pre-tribulation rapture believer. I believe the rapture will happen on the day of the retun of the Messiah Jesus.
I do how ever believe in the great tribulation. Jesus said:

Matthew 24: KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is the great tribulation.

Yes the Bible states that we will always have tribulation. But Matthew 24 states that there shall be a time where tribulation will be at it's greatest.

I believe that 1000 years will be 1000 years.

I'm not a pre-trib believer either any more as I believe we will go through everything of Revelation up to the harvest judgement spoken of in Rev 14:14-20. I don't believe in what others call it as "A Great Tribulation" like it's some separate event after the saints of God are out of here as some like to capitalize it in quotes. Matthew 24:21 does not say it is a separate event, but that it will be greater or for other words more intense then all the tribulations this world has ever known as Gods wrath with be final here on earth. I never did get the literal 1000 years as why would we be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds to only come back for another 1000 years before the ushering down of the New Jerusalem.
I see all events happen in a twinkling of an eye simultaneously. Is Gods timing the same as ours, I think not.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well i am not a Pre-tribulation rapture believer. I believe the rapture will happen on the day of the retun of the Messiah Jesus.
I do how ever believe in the great tribulation. Jesus said:

Matthew 24: KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is the great tribulation.

Yes the Bible states that we will always have tribulation. But Matthew 24 states that there shall be a time where tribulation will be at it's greatest.

I believe that 1000 years will be 1000 years.

I'm not a pre-trib believer either any more as I believe we will go through everything of Revelation up to the harvest judgement spoken of in Rev 14:14-20. I don't believe in what others call it as "A Great Tribulation" like it's some separate event after the saints of God are out of here as some like to capitalize it in quotes. Matthew 24:21 does not say it is a separate event, but that it will be greater or for other words more intense then all the tribulations this world has ever known as Gods wrath with be final here on earth. I never did get the literal 1000 years as why would we be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds to only come back for another 1000 years before the ushering down of the New Jerusalem.
I see all events happen in a twinkling of an eye simultaneously. Is Gods timing the same as ours, I think not.

 

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I'm not a pre-trib believer either any more as I believe we will go through everything of Revelation up to the harvest judgement spoken of in Rev 14:14-20. I don't believe in what others call it as "A Great Tribulation" like it's some separate event after the saints of God are out of here as some like to capitalize it in quotes. Matthew 24:21 does not say it is a separate event, but that it will be greater or for other words more intense then all the tribulations this world has ever known as Gods wrath with be final here on earth. I never did get the literal 1000 years as why would we be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds to only come back for another 1000 years before the ushering down of the New Jerusalem.
I see all events happen in a twinkling of an eye simultaneously. Is Gods timing the same as ours, I think not.

I see a difference between tribulation and wrath.

Tribulation is what humanity suffers because of the persecution and the wars and such caused by men.
Wrath is specifically the things God does to punish the world for the tribulation the world has inflicted upon the saints.
The great tribulation is when suffering for Christians will reach it's high of intensity on earth.

I never did get the literal 1000 years as why would we be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds to only come back for another 1000 years before the ushering down of the New Jerusalem.

Why not? We know the parrable of the bridegroom and how they went out to meet Him in the night.. They did not just say in the house. This was a sign of what will happen on the day of the Messiah's Return we will be caught up to meet Him in the air. But the prophecys confirn that Jesus will be coming down to earth to rule. His feet will

Zackariah 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 ¶And hisfeet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Jesus will return in like manor that He left.. So Jesus will come right back down to earth..

Acts 1:
11 Which also said, Ye menof Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus is coming back to earth in the body He left in to rule the earth with the Saints that come back with Him.

1 Thessalonians 3:
13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, there is a difference between tribulation and wrath as tribulation is what we are to endure until the end, Matthew 24:13, and wrath is Gods final judgment from the first vial to the seventh vial where God says it is done, Rev 16, and those who names were not found written in the Lambs book of life are cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:11-15.

From the time of the cross, which also means the last days, which includes what some like to separate and call the Great Tribulation, which is not mentioned anywhere in scripture and is not a separate event after the elect of God are caught up, but as the last days so we are in tribulation times until the end of the world as we know it; (Ref: Acts 2:17; Hebrews 1:1,2; Matthew 24:4-31; Mark 13:24-31; Luke 21:5-36). These are just some of the scriptures that support that we will go through all things of Revelation Chapters 6-21.

You have to cross reference Zechariah 14; Revelation 13:11-18; and Revelation 20 to understand the prophecy given in Zechariah 14 about the second coming of Christ and what has to take place before and after his return that in a twinkling of an eye we will be with the Lord forever. What would be Gods purpose to make us wait for another 1000 years, after we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air, to then usher down the New Jerusalem. Is it really going to take God 1000 literal years to send out the seven vials of Rev 16 and to make an end of all abominations here on this present earth after Jesus returns and where are we kept during that 1000 year period.

 

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Jesus returns at the last trumpet.. The last trumpet is the 7th trump in the book of Revelation. I believe the wrath will only take a few months.. Noah was protected through the flood but he never had to leave earth to be protected. After the tribulation of the saints there will not be many living Saints left. It may only be a handful of Christians who will take part in the rapture as saints that are still alive. Most will be dead saints being resurrected i believe. I believe God can protect and preserve living saints through the time of His wrath. So some Christians will be here on earth all the way up to the last trumpet. I believe Psalm 91 points to this time.

Psalm 91
2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. 4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. 5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; 6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. 7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. 8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. 9 ¶Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; 10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. 11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. 12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

The 1000 years is the sabbath day of rest for the people of God. remember to God 1000 years is as a day. Have you ever heard of the 7000year week where God works out His plan on earth in 7000 years? with the last 1000 years being a sabbath rest for His people. During the time of the 1000 years we shall be ruling the world with Jesus.

 

[for_his_glory]

7000 year week comes from the false teaching of Herbert W. Armstrong Church of the Great God which is a branch of the SDA that Armstrong developed as he started his own religion. Below is what he believed and taught. No where in scripture is a 7000 week ever taught that I have ever read and I use the KJV Bible.

ARMSTRONGISM

1. The ten lost tribes are migrated to the Anglo-Saxon Countries of Britain and the United States.
2. Britain=Ephraim
3. Israel is to be distinguished from the Jews. The Jews are from Judah and no one from Israel is a Jew.
4. England is the throne of David. This is where Christ will sit and rule when he returns to earth. ie: The throne upon which the Queen of England sits is actually the stone which Jacob used for a pillow at Bethel.
5. The use of the Hebrew language in relation to British-Israelism to show the House of Israel is the covenant people: the Hebrew word for "covenant" is "Beriyth". The Hebrew word for "man" is "ish". Together they mean "men of the covenant". The original Hebrew language has no vowels and they don't pronounce their "h's". If you keep the "I" to preserve the "y" sound, you take the Hebrew final form and use the Anglo pronunciation-"Beriyth" becomes Brith. Brit + ish = British, or covenant man. Also, the ten tribes are descended from Isaac and are therefore Isaac's sons. Armstrong puts this into shorter form "ssac's son's" or SAXONS.

 

[jasonc]

7000 year week comes from the false teaching of Herbert W. Armstrong Church of the Great God which is a branch of the SDA that Armstrong developed as he started his own religion. Below is what he believed and taught. No where in scripture is a 7000 week ever taught that I have ever read and I use the KJV Bible.

ARMSTRONGISM

1. The ten lost tribes are migrated to the Anglo-Saxon Countries of Britain and the United States.
2. Britain=Ephraim
3. Israel is to be distinguished from the Jews. The Jews are from Judah and no one from Israel is a Jew.
4. England is the throne of David. This is where Christ will sit and rule when he returns to earth. ie: The throne upon which the Queen of England sits is actually the stone which Jacob used for a pillow at Bethel.
5. The use of the Hebrew language in relation to British-Israelism to show the House of Israel is the covenant people: the Hebrew word for "covenant" is "Beriyth". The Hebrew word for "man" is "ish". Together they mean "men of the covenant". The original Hebrew language has no vowels and they don't pronounce their "h's". If you keep the "I" to preserve the "y" sound, you take the Hebrew final form and use the Anglo pronunciation-"Beriyth" becomes Brith. Brit + ish = British, or covenant man. Also, the ten tribes are descended from Isaac and are therefore Isaac's sons. Armstrong puts this into shorter form "ssac's son's" or SAXONS.

Saxons are a Germanic tribe and related to the celts! Saxony,Germany is where they originate and also ironically where the first gas chamber was first built.

 

[for_his_glory]

Saxons are a Germanic tribe and related to the celts! Saxony,Germany is where they originate and also ironically where the first gas chamber was first built.

Just saying that this list is what Herbert W. Armstrong believed in and taught.

 

[jasonc]

Just saying that this list is what Herbert W. Armstrong believed in and taught.

I know and I added to that. if one doesn't know what the origins of saxon is from then one would fall for that. Isaac isn't even close to that in Hebrew its Yitzhak as in Yitzhak Rabin the famous violinist

 

[for_his_glory]

I know and I added to that. if one doesn't know what the origins of saxon is from then one would fall for that. Isaac isn't even close to that in Hebrew its Yitzhak as in Yitzhak Rabin the famous violinist

many are easily swayed when they have no knowledge

 

[jasonc]

gah where I the promise of the bible about England being the new location for isreal? that's a good start and why would it matter?

 

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7000 year week comes from the false teaching of Herbert W. Armstrong Church of the Great God which is a branch of the SDA that Armstrong developed as he started his own religion. Below is what he believed and taught. No where in scripture is a 7000 week ever taught that I have ever read and I use the KJV Bible.

ARMSTRONGISM

1. The ten lost tribes are migrated to the Anglo-Saxon Countries of Britain and the United States.
2. Britain=Ephraim
3. Israel is to be distinguished from the Jews. The Jews are from Judah and no one from Israel is a Jew.
4. England is the throne of David. This is where Christ will sit and rule when he returns to earth. ie: The throne upon which the Queen of England sits is actually the stone which Jacob used for a pillow at Bethel.
5. The use of the Hebrew language in relation to British-Israelism to show the House of Israel is the covenant people: the Hebrew word for "covenant" is "Beriyth". The Hebrew word for "man" is "ish". Together they mean "men of the covenant". The original Hebrew language has no vowels and they don't pronounce their "h's". If you keep the "I" to preserve the "y" sound, you take the Hebrew final form and use the Anglo pronunciation-"Beriyth" becomes Brith. Brit + ish = British, or covenant man. Also, the ten tribes are descended from Isaac and are therefore Isaac's sons. Armstrong puts this into shorter form "ssac's son's" or SAXONS.

Yes i know the 7000 year week is never taught in scripture. It is a theory. And i never got it from this armstrong fellow. I am not and never have been a member of any British - IIsraelism cult. ok

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes i know the 7000 year week is never taught in scripture. It is a theory. And i never got it from this armstrong fellow. I am not and never have been a member of any British - IIsraelism cult. ok

If it's only a theory than why did you bring it up like you believe in it since it is not scriptural. Do you believe in mans theories or what God has already spoken because you can't believe in both.

This is what you said: The 1000 years is the sabbath day of rest for the people of God. remember to God 1000 years is as a day. Have you ever heard of the 7000year week where God works out His plan on earth in 7000 years? with the last 1000 years being a sabbath rest for His people. During the time of the 1000 years we shall be ruling the world with Jesus.

 

[for_his_glory]

gah where I the promise of the bible about England being the new location for isreal? that's a good start and why would it matter?

It's all about what spirit you are listening to as there are many false prophets that have come and gone, 1John 4:1-6.

 

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If it's only a theory than why did you bring it up like you believe in it since it is not scriptural. Do you believe in mans theories or what God has already spoken because you can't believe in both.

This is what you said: The 1000 years is the sabbath day of rest for the people of God. remember to God 1000 years is as a day. Have you ever heard of the 7000year week where God works out His plan on earth in 7000 years? with the last 1000 years being a sabbath rest for His people. During the time of the 1000 years we shall be ruling the world with Jesus.

Ok i will being up scripture.

Support that to god 1000 years are a day.

Psalms 90:
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God said to Adam and eve in the garden of eden:

Genesis 2:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now Adam and eve did not die on the day (24 hour day) they ate the fruit did they. But God is not a liar and Adam died at the age of 930 years old. So He did die on that Day 1000 years because 1000 years are as a day to God

Genesis 5:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

So i believe when the Book of Revelation says the kingdom of Jesus will last 1000 years i believe it to be 1000 years or a Day to God.

Now i will also ask you. Do you believe in the 1000 years as literal years or not?

 

[for_his_glory]

Ok i will being up scripture.

Support that to god 1000 years are a day.

Psalms 90:
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God said to Adam and eve in the garden of eden:

Genesis 2:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now Adam and eve did not die on the day (24 hour day) they ate the fruit did they. But God is not a liar and Adam died at the age of 930 years old. So He did die on that Day 1000 years because 1000 years are as a day to God

Genesis 5:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

So i believe when the Book of Revelation says the kingdom of Jesus will last 1000 years i believe it to be 1000 years or a Day to God.

Now i will also ask you. Do you believe in the 1000 years as literal years or not?

I'm not talking about the 1000 years, I'm talking about why did you bring up 7000 years to get to a 1000 years. If 7000 years is not scriptural then why bring it up without an explanation of what 7000 years are all about.

 

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Ok i will being up scripture.

Support that to god 1000 years are a day.

Psalms 90:
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God said to Adam and eve in the garden of eden:

Genesis 2:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now Adam and eve did not die on the day (24 hour day) they ate the fruit did they. But God is not a liar and Adam died at the age of 930 years old. So He did die on that Day 1000 years because 1000 years are as a day to God

Genesis 5:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

So i believe when the Book of Revelation says the kingdom of Jesus will last 1000 years i believe it to be 1000 years or a Day to God.

Now i will also ask you. Do you believe in the 1000 years as literal years or not?

From Psa 90:4, a Hebrew watch in the night was four hours, thus if we take this literally, a thousand years are as four hours, or six thousand years to the day, unless were only talking about yesterday as daylight in which case it would be only three thousand years to the day, but in any case a literal understanding of the text contradicts itself and then leaves the reader just as confused as if from a run on sentence so that no, I don't believe in the one thousand years as literal years, but as figurative language for everlasting.

 

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Well then we must agree to disagree. Sinthesis..