Psalm 91 ... Is this important today ?

[Karl]

You're so lucky to actually be talking to God, when I thought God was talking to me I became mentally unstable and ended up in hospital for psychosis. I've since lost any hope that God will ever communicate with me due to the dangerous nature of schizophrenia.

Friend, luck has nothing to do with it, ...are you a father, if so, do you talk to your children?

Usually the first way we hear God speaking to us is through His Word, Heb 1:2, second is by impressions He puts in our hearts (that's how He spoke to me about my health insurance) and third He can speak to us through His children, ...but in all three ways He will never say something that contradicts the written Word, ...never.

For instance, the Health insurance, I stepped out in faith and obeyed, there will always be a confirmation after we obey, ...if it really is Him speaking to us and not our prideful presumption, about a month after I canceled my insurance I was in a head on collision, a drunk driver made a left turn in front of me, I didn't feel like I was seriously hurt, I broke my nose on the steering wheel and fractured a couple of ribs. My first instinct was to get out of my pickup, when I did I heard the other driver crying in pain, I ran to his car and tried to open the door, but it was jammed shut (they had to use the jaws of life to extract him), I returned to my pickup and retrieved a bolt cutter to cut the battery cables so that his car would not catch on fire with him in it, after that I started to think about myself, my nose had stopped bleeding, but my ribs really hurt, I said to Father, "I don't have any insurance, I can't go to the hospital, I'm trusting in You and I put this accident and injury in Your hands," then I said to myself, "I'll hit myself in the ribs, if I don't faint then I will know I'm okay," ...I know, stupid thing to do, but I didn't faint (I was a brute, uncontrollable beast before Jesus came into my life and some of those traits are still with me even to this day, ..He's working on me).

When the police came they had me sit down, the the paramedics examined me, both of them said I needed to go to the hospital, ...but I didn't have any insurance so I declined, the tow truck came to tow away my pickup, everyone had left, I was all alone, the driver took one look at my pickup and then at me and said I needed to go to the hospital and offered to take me, again I declined, asked him if he would take my pickup to a friends house instead of impound so that all of my tools would be safe, he agreed, as we were together in the cab he kept telling me I needed to go to the hospital, finally he told me he had seen accidents that were far less serious than mine and the people were dead, ...we dropped of my pickup, drove back to his garage and I walked home from there.

A couple of days later I went to look at my pickup, it was as if the jolly Green Giant had grabbed a hold of the front and the back of my pickup and twisted it 90°, then he he took both ends and bent it into a U, I was stunned, ...as I walked to look inside the cab the only place that wasn't damaged was where I had been sitting, ...stark reality struck me hard, right between the eyes, ...I immediately fell to my knees blubbering like a baby, I realized Father had spared my life, I asked Him what was/were the lessons He wanted me to learn from this (there were two) and in Him sparing my life I gave it right back to Him to do with as He pleased, ...I felt such peace at that moment, confident that my Heavenly Father would take care of me, ...my confirmation.

In actuality that was the start of the process of me believing in faith and obeying what Father was telling me to do in preparation for me to leave everything behind and come here, ...totally trusting in Him.

Blessings

 

[Cturtle]

You're so lucky to actually be talking to God, when I thought God was talking to me I became mentally unstable and ended up in hospital for psychosis. I've since lost any hope that God will ever communicate with me due to the dangerous nature of schizophrenia.

I hear what you are saying, and i know from my own life of thinking that God never talked to me. I guess i didn't think i was important enough. But i have come to realize that as i thank God that i am His sheep and i Know His voice, i seem to hear Him more often. I believe He speaks to you all the time, just might be in ways that you have not seen or thought.
Blessing my friend

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Karl Now that is what I am talking about !
One quick comment though.....Ready....
Tow Truck Drivers View........should be dead
Our Covenant with God view with Psalm 91 over us....Spared and full of new life....

To the rest of you............
Whats in your wallet ?
Psalm 91......Don't leave home with out it !!
Thanks Karl for the awesome Testimony and Thank YOU Jesus for Karl !!
Have a great week Brother
jim

 

[eddif]

Hindsight being 20 20. For today we look deeper.

Acts 8:34
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Psalms 91:16
With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

John 3:16 would help see verse 16 long physical life expanded into eternal life.

Psalm 91 is especially written for Jesus to see his protection from eternal death and satan's temptation. A letter from the Father to the Son. Satan even mixed verses as a temptation of Jesus. Jesus knew the order of Psalm 91 and responded correctly.

Verse 11 angels ministered to Jesus after temptation
Matthew 4:-11
Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

It would take pages to go through Psalms 91. The prophetic aspect of Psalms 91 is very involved. Psalms 91 for today? Yes. Absolutely.

eddif

 

[Eugene]

Dear Brother eddif, I’m not following your reasoning at all of this Psalm 91 speaking of Jesus which starting in Psa 90 is a prayer of Moses.

Next Jesus was God, knew His mission, did not have to be assured of eternal life for Him, and when Jesus did answer Satan He quoted scripture; it is written.

What am I missing? Thanks.

 

[eddif]

Dear Brother eddif, I’m not following your reasoning at all of this Psalm 91 speaking of Jesus which starting in Psa 90 is a prayer of Moses.

Next Jesus was God, knew His mission, did not have to be assured of eternal life for Him, and when Jesus did answer Satan He quoted scripture; it is written.

What am I missing? Thanks.

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

I will try and go slow. I love to swing from chandeliers and blow understanding for others. Much of the things from Moses on (especially Moses on for some folks) have symbols that relate to Messiah / Jesus.

I Corinthians 10:2
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Most of the Moses scriptures are in symbol form. Jesus is the sacrifice in the law. Sin placed on an animal is our sin placed on Jesus.

Psalm 91 lists the snares Jesus faced when asked questions by certain Jewish leaders. Sustan used misquoted verses in 91.

We often grab scripture for ourselves (and by extension it can be for ourselves Jew and gentile)
But in a lot of cases it was first and foremost about the messiah.

Feel free to hound me till I actually make sense. LOL

I think that if Jesus could show the disciples himself in scriptures, then he could understand his mission from scriptures. Jesus did sweat drops of blood in his agony of following the will of the Father (IMHO). Jesus was God - yes. Jesus also took on the form of sinful flesh, but without sin.

eddif

 

[Eugene]

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

I will try and go slow. I love to swing from chandeliers and blow understanding for others. Much of the things from Moses on (especially Moses on for some folks) have symbols that relate to Messiah / Jesus.

I Corinthians 10:2
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Most of the Moses scriptures are in symbol form. Jesus is the sacrifice in the law. Sin placed on an animal is our sin placed on Jesus.

Psalm 91 lists the snares Jesus faced when asked questions by certain Jewish leaders. Sustan used misquoted verses in 91.

We often grab scripture for ourselves (and by extension it can be for ourselves Jew and gentile)
But in a lot of cases it was first and foremost about the messiah.

Feel free to hound me till I actually make sense. LOL

I think that if Jesus could show the disciples himself in scriptures, then he could understand his mission from scriptures. Jesus did sweat drops of blood in his agony of following the will of the Father (IMHO). Jesus was God - yes. Jesus also took on the form of sinful flesh, but without sin.

eddif

Dear Brother eddif, at this point I'm not buying into the fact Jesus needed to be shown He would be saved, and have eternal life; flesh or no flesh.

 

[eddif]

Dear Brother eddif, at this point I'm not buying into the fact Jesus needed to be shown He would be saved, and have eternal life; flesh or no flesh.

Oh well LOL. Of all the times that scripture is quoted as a solid foundation stone ...:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I have said the word became flesh. I wonder if we are just looking from different viewpoints. I often look at a new creation. I think we look at original Adam differently. The OP was how we might view Psalm 91 today (my words).

I'll keep on a thinkin.

eddif

 

[4afaithfulone]

I am shocked that people have ignored this thread. Makes me wonder if they have any idea how important this Psalm and or prayer truly is.... Especially in this day and age.......I tell you what..........YOU better never leave home with out it...Truth be told........this should be prayed of our homes and families and lives every single day and thank God for the truth of His word and promise.......
Thanks for your thoughts
Jim

Finally! Someone who sees that we are to be standing on the Word to show our faith in God's protection.

Ps 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. KJV

But now I ask,do you understand that all this coming upon us right now and has been coming, is by God's will? Jesus said that he would be returning with the power of His Father in the cloud, just as he went into at his ascension, and that every eye will see him and mourn. Are we watching the unusual weather in our areas or in the media and the might works of God upon the whole world to see who is in fear or in faith?
Man thinks the weatherman calls the weather, but it is God who makes a dry desert into an garden and a garden into a dry desert at His will. War, it is God who brings the sword upon lands for judgments. If we choose not to believe that God judges us in this way, then show me how He had judged man in the centuries past! War, plagues, disease, poverty, famine, lawlessness, evil rulers to mistreat those nations or homes even who hate the Love of God which is His Truth, meaning His Word/The Son.

Regardless of what we think or have been taught, or can accept, Satan does not control God's boundaries of His earth, he merely tempts men who are weak in spirit to control them, so God will have to bring judgment upon them, to steal, kill and destroy those who hate righteousness , but never can he touch anything or one in this earth without God's allowing it. Just look at Job, Satan could do nothing except what God allowed him to do. While the devil is under God's control, this obiously does not mean that Satan obeys God's laws of righteousness.
Take a look throughout the Bible.... Who controls the foundations of the earth? Who brings the rain, the hailstones, the snow? When we see the mention of earthquakes in the Bible, who brings them? Plagues, who puts them on disobedient man? Who pulls the waters from His oceans boundaries and brings them up over the mainland in hurricanes, floods? Who sets up kings and puts them down? Who has reserved His angels for a set time to bring the vials, the seals spoken of in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to destroy those who hate the Word to live by?
The Almighty Creator of the Universe who wrote the Book that is who, and it will go exactly as He has written it.
The question is, are we(God's faithful people) standing shaking in fear along with those who have rejected God whom these things are for? Or are we recognizing and believing by the confession of our mouth God's Word in Faith for His promised protection for those who love Christ's glorious appearing in the clouds with the power of God and His Father's angels who are doing the works by the will of God?
He is not coming down to earth in a flowing robe with glitter and sparkle for a bride as many have been taught. He is coming IN & with the clouds, literally, with the lightening and power for his holy body, the 144,000 virgins who have been sealed, who will and is being caught up in the cloud with him and they will fight with him against ungodly man with the sWord in their mouth, as the ungodly do exactly as God speaks them to do, to one another!
Luke 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
KJV
Job 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
KJV
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
KJV
Ps 107:33 He turneth rivers into a wilderness, and the watersprings into dry ground;
34 A fruitful land into barrenness, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein.
35 He turneth the wilderness into a standing water, and dry ground into watersprings.
KJV

 

[4afaithfulone]

Those are not "copied and pasted". What you said is nothing more than a simple redherrig. In other words you're just avoiding the situation by in essence saying "you copied and pasted. And because you copied and pasted, you are therefore wrong." Please avoid that silliness.

These things are straight out of the mouths of sharp teeth with wool coats.

Kenneth copland said "When I read in the bible when he says I AM, I smile and say I AM too".

Benny Hinn said "When we call our selves Christians, we call ourselves Messiah. I am Moshiach. Let me say even better. We are gods".

Joyce Meyer said "Cattle kind comes from cattle. Man came from God. Godkind comes from God. We are little gods."

They all take psalm 82 out of context saying "have I not said ye are gods," not finishing the context [showing elohim to mean rulers in this context] "but ye shall die like men".

Joel Olsteen quotes directly from the Secret, a DVD teachin the occult law of attraction.

These are straight from the mouths of the teachers. When, or where, or how, or from whom I learned these things does not determine the truth of the matter; that would be fallacious thiniking. I could go on and on about the WO[L]F movement. But this the last thing that I am posting so the thread stays on topic.

Be sober. Be vigilant. The seprent is subtil.

Recommend Podcast: http://likeflintradio.com/latest-show-lfrshow20-908

Let me ask you, If we are considered a body member of the body of Christ and through having the Spirit of adoption to train one up into the image(attributes) of Christ who is the head of his holy body then aren't we a child of God? Jesus told us to come to the Father as Jesus himself using his name as who we are, then how can you say that we are not gods?
We are hidden in Christ, under the blood, in the womb of our mother(heavenly Jerusalem) being birthed/born again as we grown full term as a child of God! And God sees us as Jesus when we come to Him in Jesus name, in the Word of God.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
KJV
John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
KJV
We are not the Father, we are the sons of God if we have been trained up to rule and reign as the One new man in Christ.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
KJV

 

[Deborah13]

I could believe this if the big names were not so rich off old ladies monies..

imo
They don't just steal from the elderly, they steal from the poor. Children go without proper food and medical care because of their false teachings about the tithe. They teach it falsely and many people end up giving in order to get more for themselves rather than to give from their hearts in order to further the kingdom. They promote greed in their false teaching of the tithe.
It's not just Word of Faith who do this either.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Tithes for the poor saints and offerings are still in effect. Why do we save our treasures to by food for our belly, but won't give the servant of God a penny for the Bread of life they just served for your soul's prosperity. We are to give a portion each week from the earnings that God has give to us. Jesus gladly and boastfully took a poor widow woman's last mite which shows that she did not put her trust in her money to keep her, But gave an offering to the work of God to build up the kingdom by lifting the TEMPLE up in righteousness and was honored to give BACK to God. The evil ones of this world keep the righteous from making offerings to God in order to keep them poor, calling it evil to give to God when it is exactly the opposite. To give to God is GAIN. And they are part of your account for your awards. When your check book is full of dog grooming, eating out, new clothes, vacations, all the carnal things, and nothing for God, then something is spiritually wrong. Communicate means to give funds showing your care. How is it that we don't mind giving to the Gentiles for carnal stuff that is going to be burned up boasting of it worth, value, quality, and we begrudge and belittle the servant of God an offering of plenty,giving back to God's Work, who sets aside his right to a paying job for his & his families needs to take time to study and hear from God to serve you a spiritual meal that is Greater than rubies, gold, silver?? God is keeping track of our spending and which food we think is more important to them.

Funds for the work of the Evanglist and Missionaries:

Phil 4:14 Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.
15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.
16 For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.
17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.
KJV

Offerings for your Pasture/Pastore where you are fed:

Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
KJV

Jesus standing WATCH over the Treasury of God's kingdom to see the motives of men's hearts and their trust in God, not their valued treasure!:

Mark 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
KJV

OUR weekly DUES in the collection plate, to be given BACK to God for the prosperity He has allowed you to earn using His earth and His blessing upon you according to your hearts prosperity from His Word:

1 Cor 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
KJV

The thing that gets me, is the same people who say that these minister's are charlatans for taking money from others, I find a donate link to help them out. Go figure the hypocrisy.

 

[reba]

The thing that gets me, is the same people who say that these minister's are charlatans for taking money from others, I find a donate link to help them out. Go figure the hypocrisy.

not all of us do

 

[eddif]

Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

We are not to visit them in their afflictions, but deliver them from their afflictions. The money flows toward the widows.
Also (IMHO)
We never keep ourselves unspotted with all the trials / suffering around us.

Religion has a negative use.

eddif

 

[4afaithfulone]

not all of us do

do what?

 

[reba]

do what?

Sheesh Please excuse my old eyes... i read your last statement totally goofy... 2

 

[4afaithfulone]

Accept : )

 

[YosefHayim]

Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
KJV

We are children. Yes. But gods? No

Jesus was talking to the Pharisees.

Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?"

The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God" (John 10:32-33)

Jesus identified himself as the son of God (singular, unique) this is why they picked up stones, yet they did not say because he is one of many gods but he is making himself to be God, singular.

Jesus as the Son of God, has a unique relationship to the Father that no other has. In Jn.10 Jesus is responding to the Jewish leaders who had accused Him of blasphemy, he is speaking to the Pharisees. Is Jesus saying the Pharisees are gods? They were his enemies who did not believe in Christ being the Son of God.

Jesus is mocking them by calling them gods (this is a tongue and cheek expression). But you do not recognize THE God among you; because the Pharisees were blinded to who Jesus truly was.

The verse Jesus quoted in Ps.82 has the word elohim for god which can also mean rulers or judges especially in the human sense. What Jesus was saying is that God appointed these men to be rulers but they are unable to recognize his rulership which is supreme over them

Psalm 82 is what Jesus referenced. Ye are ELOHIM (translated as God, gods, rulers, messenger). What does the next verse say?

The verse WOFers never mention: ps 82:7 "but ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes".


The serpent said to eve "ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil".

Yahweh said "Know ye that the Lord he is God, it he that hath made us, not we ourselves".

We are adopted, not of the same substance. The substance is within, but we are not that substance.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

imo
They don't just steal from the elderly, they steal from the poor. Children go without proper food and medical care because of their false teachings about the tithe. They teach it falsely and many people end up giving in order to get more for themselves rather than to give from their hearts in order to further the kingdom. They promote greed in their false teaching of the tithe.
It's not just Word of Faith who do this either.

Deborah13 Hello,
First off I want to make this very clear before I start my post...............
I AGREE that there are some MEN who abuse the word of God and use it as get rich quick type of thing and Paul called them huksters......However..............You can not speak as to all that teach or preach about seed time and harvest and the tythe and so forth are crooked.....That is a place no Christians wants to find them selves in before God....

The Tythe is NOT OURS to begin with.............There is NO argument to this....It's Kingdom Law.
10 percent or the tythe BELONGS to God......It's not if you want to or if you think you can afford it.
Christians find all sorts of reasons why they can't and God won't send a lightning bolt down but you literally tie Gods Hands in some area's.....See God's word is our road map to this life. If we choose to follow His plan or word we can live a victorious and blessed life in Christ.......However.......even though it says all the promises of God are ours when we made Him Lord of our lives,, they WILL NOT just start to go to work for you. I am not talking about if you are saved or not....I am talking about His promises of protection, prospering in every part of ourlives and being.

Back to the Tythe....Malachi 3:10-12....Talks about bringing Him the tythes.....There are a lot of things He will do or another words is now reliable to do for us....Yes I said reliable, we have a covenant with God. When we honor our part He is OBLIGATED to HONOR His part every single time.......that is the same in every single...promise...now wait before you throw something at me.....I aint done yet.....;}

Now those huksters I was talking about earlier play with the word of God and promise results in 27 hours for example.......Their hearts are not right with God and their motives are not right before God.....
Now when a believers heart is right before God in more then just this area, and the believer knows His covenant with God, well then God WILL fullfill His end of it.

Now with giving of the tythe, He says He will rebuke the devourer for our sake.....That's His part, (thank God) and He talks about our crops will be abundant and no grape will fall from the vine before it's ripe and so on. Yes I know we may not have crops, so crops were their bussiness or job etc, grapes were fruits of their labors......if a person worked a normal factory job then money (pay check) would be fruit of their labor. We are to give the best to GOD and the first fruit...This all through out the written word of God.

If a person has less then their share of things in this life and gets blessed with some extra cash as a gift, they then tytheof it unto God because they love Him and respeck Him, then that tythe has got to go some place right ? Well they tythe and then people who do not have revelation of this or wisdom of Go9d's word then start speaking that preacher takes money from the poor lil old lady who has nothing.......... Insult to God....

Most of the time thaqt lil ol lady knows something that the mouthy person does not and trust God and ends up getting delivered from the poor state they were in.

Now there is also planting seed which is to bring a harvest.....their are spiritual laws about seed time and harvest time and must be followed to the letter of the law...(pund intended ) lol That is again another kingdom law and works when the believer has revelation knowledge of this and how the kingdom works.....

So Deborah there are those who take money and do it right and those who do not. The problem is that way too many that get accused of doing it wrong is wrong in it's self..The media loves nothing better then to tear down a preacher....It's fun for them and it gives them a feeling of power and pride...Go figure.....They for the most part twist facts and edit tapes to make their case....This is true with secular news and so mjuch more....Preachers buy into to it and begin to poast their boast and get a nice following........Then Christian believers who do not have much understanding in this fall into this and run their mouths.......

The problem is...........confussion and strife develope and then as the words says all sorts of evil are loosed then.
I spent some time reading links found in this forum on this and other places and my own searches.....
Most of the stuff is many years old and was resolved and dropped because of false accusations and media backing down and why ? Because God stands up for HIS OWN......that is if you are walking in right standing with Him.

So Deborah, You can see, that there are huksters that use the word of God for ill gotten gain but their are Many who simply live by the word and so do the Believers who are a part of that church.
Ministires dont buy jets and houses and such from poor lil old ladies with starving children....Many of the Jets in several ministries were sown into the Kingdom or that ministry as seed......Funny how the media does not do a show saying....well folks we got to the truth and we were wrong and it seems these fine people here xyz fellowship are on the up and up and have done nothing wrong....It just does not happen, at best it just goes away.

Oh well those who have ears let them hear.....
Have a blessed week
Jim