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Quantum physics and Christianity

Hard to understand yes.. because man never enters sin into they're equations.. i believe things are as they are but seriously corrupted.. the life has been sapped out of it and won't change until..

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

*edit: forgot this..

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
 
OzSpen said:
You'll have a difficult time convincing my wife and me that that is what we did over curried chicken and rice dinner tonight.
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Just because the only thing you really actually do is trade electrons between each other doesn't mean that doesn't have a manifest affect on either of you.
 
turnorburn said:
Hard to understand yes.. because man never enters sin into they're equations.. i believe things are as they are but seriously corrupted.. the life has been sapped out of it and won't change until..

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

*edit: forgot this..

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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And may I add...

"...the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare." (2 Peter 3:10 NIV)

"16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17 NIV bold and underline mine)

The force that science can't understand is the force that keeps all of creation's atomic particles suspended in relation to each other in the order that they do. That force is the word of Christ "sustaining all things by his powerful word" (Hebrews 1:3 NIV)

When Christ withdraws his word that sustains creation, holding it together, all of creation will collapse in utter chaos and destruction. So all those who's hopes and dreams are pinned on the temporary created things of the universe will be quite disappointed when that happens, but the righteous will enter into the eternal kingdom of God.
 
John ,post the Fundamental theory of electricity and watch the reactions.
 
"...the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare." (2 Peter 3:10 NIV)

Sounds like another big bang.

("16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whetherthrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.")

Things were created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible... I wonder how much invisible stuff that we're talking about here? Is this stuff that we should know about? Spirit realm stuff or things like gravity?
 
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(The force that science can't understand is the force that keeps all of creation's atomic particles suspended in relation to each other in the order that they do. That force is the word of Christ "sustaining all things by his powerful word" (Hebrews 1:3 NIV)...

I think they understand it, or at least some. But they're the enemy and don't want to admit God, lest more be saved. So they needed a deceptive cover story...and they called it...evolution. :yes

...and some say the Bible ain't no science book, lol.
 
(The force that science can't understand is the force that keeps all of creation's atomic particles suspended in relation to each other in the order that they do. That force is the word of Christ "sustaining all things by his powerful word" (Hebrews 1:3 NIV)...

I think they understand it, or at least some. But they're the enemy and don't want to admit God, lest more be saved. So they needed a deceptive cover story...and they called it...evolution. :yes

...and some say the Bible ain't no science book, lol.
 
Edward said:
(The force that science can't understand is the force that keeps all of creation's atomic particles suspended in relation to each other in the order that they do. That force is the word of Christ "sustaining all things by his powerful word" (Hebrews 1:3 NIV)...

I think they understand it, or at least some. But they're the enemy and don't want to admit God, lest more be saved. So they needed a deceptive cover story...and they called it...evolution. :yes

...and some say the Bible ain't no science book, lol.
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It's not a science book though. We gain understanding from it, but not because we know how things work, but because we trust God. So many times God doesn't give an explaination, but just tells us what we should do. When Job questioned God in his sorrow and pain eventually God replied. God's reply was who are you to question me. Then God gave an account of what He has done and asked Job, have you done this can you do that. God explained he was the only authority. Job repented, not because God explained the hardships Job went through, but because he recoginized God for being the authority and sovereign. In many of the laws that don't have an explaination there's a repeated phrase for obeying the laws made. The phrase as I've seen it was "I am the LORD," and it occurred several times after a law is given. Even in parables that give us spiritual insight and use the world around us to illustrate the teachings and what the Kingdom of Heaven is like; those parables aren't explaining how things work.

The bible is a collection of works that are from God, inspired because of God. That makes the bible an authority, a standard, but not science.

As for the scientists and reasurchers who are in the scientific communities that reject God. They might be blind more then they are stubborn. There's a culture that is a heavy fog over many people that says God doesn't exist, and it's expecially heavy over the scientific community that looks for explainations for how things work. I don't think it's a mistake that Jesus told us we are the light and the salt of the earth. We really are suppose to be beacons to those who are blind and in the dark.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Just because the only thing you really actually do is trade electrons between each other doesn't mean that doesn't have a manifest affect on either of you.
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So are you saying that when I hug my darling wife that I'm trading electrons and these electrons have an effect on either of us? Have I been deluded into thinking I am hugging her fleshly being for these many years when she is not solid matter after all?

Oz
 
Water sure isn't ,wood for sure.
 
jasonc said:
Water sure isn't ,wood for sure.
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Try the water at the Arctic, Antarctic, northern Siberia, northern Yukon, North-West Territories, Greenland, Svalbard Islands, and in my freezer.:poke

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Svalbard Islands
 
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OzSpen said:
Try the water at the Arctic, Antarctic and in my freezer.:poke
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Water by itself from motion breaKS into oh,ho and reforms into hoh.ice has holes you can't see .lead can't stop radiation. Nothing can.it absorbs enough to reduce it to a least harmful level but particles still pass.that's what the scientific community says.btw they are things more dense then lead but often are radioactive .
 
jasonc said:
Water by itself from motion breaKS into oh,ho and reforms into hoh.ice has holes you can't see .lead can't stop radiation. Nothing can.it absorbs enough to reduce it to a least harmful level but particles still pass.that's what the scientific community says.btw they are things more dense then lead but often are radioactive .
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You didn't reply to what I wrote.
 
OzSpen said:
You didn't reply to what I wrote.
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You aren't getting the concept of solid.the idea most people think that we have solid objects that have no holes to the point nothing has the ability to pass throught it isn't the case.

Lead is very dense yet gamma radiation has been able in small amounts to pass through it given how dense the protection is.
 
dirtfarmer here

Seems like I remember reading several years ago that if you could break down gluons what you would have was light and that light is the source of all things. If this is true, in creation God said let there be light. Genesis 1 God said let there be light, so is the creation of light the beginning of all things?
 
jasonc said:
You aren't getting the concept of solid.the idea most people think that we have solid objects that have no holes to the point nothing has the ability to pass throught it isn't the case.

Lead is very dense yet gamma radiation has been able in small amounts to pass through it given how dense the protection is.
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I didn't raise the topic of lead. You added that one.

I know enough about quantum theory to understand that there are still some unsolvable theoretical issues here. See: 'What is solid state physics?'

Oz
 
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