Raw Salt is dangerous to your health.

[jasoncran]

iron isn't listed in the sea salt I have and the other "regular" salt not that isn't true. but well iron and how we ingest it is rather interesting. we cant ingest unless its in tiny small shards. that is the only way we get iron.

 

[tim-from-pa]

tim that is potassium. not salt. I have r&0 water and I don't drink it alone. my home has a filter and I use it in a Gatorade mix. on average I walk about thirty miles a week. the more salt you take in the more potassium you take out of your body. we need a balance of both. oddly the body uses them in opposition. why I don't know. but it does. both pure sodium and potassium are explosive and will react with anything they touch. I have chucked pure potassium into water and watched it catch fire.

your body ingest potassium with chloride like it does with sodium.

I'm not sure I follow you in saying, "that is potassium, not salt". Everything I said was about salt (NaCl) which is the subject of the OP. I won't deny Potassium is the other electrolyte that is important, and most K comes from vegetables. Both Sodium and Potassium balance each other, just as the minerals copper and zinc are antagonists and must be balanced. However, if one eats natural foods, they are probably (but not necessarily) getting their potassium more than salt.

It's very easy to become salt deficient eating non-processed foods. I worry about people becoming salt deficient.

 

[jasoncran]

runners also get low on potassium. I have a boss who does triathalons and a friend who was a marathon and both experienced the heart issue from low potassium.

 

[TOG]

iron isn't listed in the sea salt I have and the other "regular" salt not that isn't true. but well iron and how we ingest it is rather interesting. we cant ingest unless its in tiny small shards. that is the only way we get iron.

I'm no expert on the subject. I got my information from Wikipedia.

In "doubly fortified salt", both iodide and iron salts are added. This additive alleviates iron deficiency anemia, which interferes with the mental development of an estimated 40 percent of infants in the developing world. A typical iron source is ferrous fumarate.

They also mentioned fluoride and folic acid. The latter is especially important if you happen to be pregnant. I doubt that anyone who has posted in this thread so far needs to worry about that though.

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[jasoncran]

floride? as in sodium floride? that Is often that salt substitute which has kfl and kcl as well.

 

[tim-from-pa]

iron isn't listed in the sea salt I have and the other "regular" salt not that isn't true. but well iron and how we ingest it is rather interesting. we cant ingest unless its in tiny small shards. that is the only way we get iron.

I'm no expert on the subject. I got my information from Wikipedia.

In "doubly fortified salt", both iodide and iron salts are added. This additive alleviates iron deficiency anemia, which interferes with the mental development of an estimated 40 percent of infants in the developing world. A typical iron source is ferrous fumarate.

They also mentioned fluoride and folic acid. The latter is especially important if you happen to be pregnant. I doubt that anyone who has posted in this thread so far needs to worry about that though.

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Folic acid is vitamin B9, an important nutrient for heart health (along with B6 and B12). Fluoride occurs in nature to some extent, but man-made stuff is more artificial, just like salt processing. They push fluoride because of teeth, but if one watches their sugars and has an adequate diet of magnesium and calcium amongst other things, one's teeth should be fine just like in the olden days people did not have the amount of tooth decay unless their diets were poor. But today we are getting them filled left and right.

 

[jasoncran]

tim I know a man who eats pretty healthy and lots of fruits with meat. he has a ton of cavities. some of that is from genes.

 

[Classik]

I think I agree with that - the gene thing.

 

[Christ_empowered]

A friend of mine--currently in pharmacy school, with an undergrad in nutrition--said that HBP happens in *some* people, *some* of the time, as a result of salt intake. I don't know what that's about. I guess if you look at aggregate level data, it makes sense (from a public health standpoint) to say "OK, less salt, everybody!" Probably could/would save the government $$$ over the long haul. Doesn't necessarily mean **you** have to avoid salt, at least based on what she told me.

Interestingly enough, some people have the opposite problem...low blood sodium (as tim pointed out, that can be dangerous). I used to take Trileptal, an epilepsy drug now used fairly regularly in mood issues (still popular for epilepsy). One side effect, in about 2.5% of treated patients, is low blood sodium. They're supposed to do a baseline blood sodium level and another one within 12 weeks, to make sure you don't die or whatever. Neurologists do, of course...shrinks don't (of course). Kinda scary.

 

[TOG]

HBP happens in *some* people, *some* of the time, as a result of salt intake. I don't know what that's about. I guess if you look at aggregate level data, it makes sense (from a public health standpoint) to say "OK, less salt, everybody!" Probably could/would save the government $$$ over the long haul. Doesn't necessarily mean **you** have to avoid salt

Accidents happen to *some* people *some* of the time as a result of driving too fast. If you look at aggregate level data, it makes sense (from a public safety standpoint) to say "OK, slow down everybody!" It could/would probably save many lives over the long haul. Doesn't necessarily mean you have to drive under the speed limit.

It doesn't happen to everybody. But you never know if you'll be one of the ones it does happen to. It's better to be safe than sorry. (Says the fat guy who is on blood pressure medications and eats salty foods all the time...) Uh... Did I type that out loude???
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[Christ_empowered]

OK. My point is that, apparently--according to my friend and my doctor---blood sodium=HBP isn't as simple as it may seem. If you could tone it down a little, that'd be nice, mkay?

 

[TOG]

OK. My point is that, apparently--according to my friend and my doctor---blood sodium=HBP isn't as simple as it may seem. If you could tone it down a little, that'd be nice, mkay?

Tone it down? I wasn't aware that I hade toned anything up. I was just pointing out that just because something doesn't happen every time doesn't mean we shouldn't follow certain guidlines.
The TOG

 

[Barbarian]

Salt is typically mined from ancient deposits from dried up seas. It has traces of all the elements in seawater. Which is fine, since your body is pretty close to the elemental composition of seawater. There is no such thing as "raw" or "cooked" salt. It's just sodium chloride, and heating it to cooking temperatures does nothing whatever to it.

 

[TOG]

There is no such thing as "raw" or "cooked" salt.

No, but there is such a thing as "refined" and "unrefined" salt. Unrefined salt contains all the elements found in sea water, as you point out. Refined salt is closer to being pure sodium chloride, often with a few added extras, such as iodine.

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[Lewis]

Chemically speaking, does anyone know the distinction between cooked and raw salt.

I think what you mean by "raw salt" is pure NaCl. I agree, your body needs a buffer with other minerals added with it. Sea salt is something like 90% NaCl and 10% all other minerals. But what mankind has done was strip those minerals out and then add a token mineral, iodine, due to deficiencies and thyroid problems when all the salt is refined like this. So, most table salt is really like an industrial salt--- somewhat hash on the body. Rather, use natural sea salt.

I can draw a similar analogy to ultra pure water. It's bad for you because it will flush the minerals out of your body. Rather, some minerals in it (like a spring water) is better.

The issue with "too much salt" in one's diet comes from the same thing that messes up people's diets elsewhere: Processed foods. So I think "sodium" got a very bad rap. The problem is that people get too many processed foods, such as in cans and packages, and that includes are famous industrial salt that I just mentioned.

But if one eats foods in their natural form, you actually don't get that much salt. As a matter of fact, if you can look at a person straight in the face and truly say you eat that way most or all of the time, then you may actually need to supplement with salt, just as you do other vitamins and minerals. It can be a very dangerous thing to be too low on salt --- very dangerous, and we don't want to become deficient in it. This is especially true if one exercises or works outdoors (like me) and sweats all the time. And this is especially true if one drinks 6 or more glasses of water each day.

Symptoms of low salt is amongst other things is general malaise, dizziness, tiredness, muscle cramps, heart palpitations and high (or fluctuating) blood pressure. It's an electrolyte so you nervous system and heart needs it to work, or else you'll literally drop over dead.

Good post Tim

 

[jasoncran]

HBP happens in *some* people, *some* of the time, as a result of salt intake. I don't know what that's about. I guess if you look at aggregate level data, it makes sense (from a public health standpoint) to say "OK, less salt, everybody!" Probably could/would save the government $$$ over the long haul. Doesn't necessarily mean **you** have to avoid salt

Accidents happen to *some* people *some* of the time as a result of driving too fast. If you look at aggregate level data, it makes sense (from a public safety standpoint) to say "OK, slow down everybody!" It could/would probably save many lives over the long haul. Doesn't necessarily mean you have to drive under the speed limit.

It doesn't happen to everybody. But you never know if you'll be one of the ones it does happen to. It's better to be safe than sorry. (Says the fat guy who is on blood pressure medications and eats salty foods all the time...) Uh... Did I type that out loude???
The TOG

mom is on the opposite end of the spectrum. she is anemic and thirty POUNDS underweight and eats healthy. she has genes that cause here to have it. it runs in her family. her brothers all have it and her dad did too.

 

[Lewis]

I have been having high blood pressure problems lately and I am taking 10 mg of Lisinopril a day when I need it.

 

[farouk]

HBP happens in *some* people, *some* of the time, as a result of salt intake. I don't know what that's about. I guess if you look at aggregate level data, it makes sense (from a public health standpoint) to say "OK, less salt, everybody!" Probably could/would save the government $$$ over the long haul. Doesn't necessarily mean **you** have to avoid salt

Accidents happen to *some* people *some* of the time as a result of driving too fast. If you look at aggregate level data, it makes sense (from a public safety standpoint) to say "OK, slow down everybody!" It could/would probably save many lives over the long haul. Doesn't necessarily mean you have to drive under the speed limit.

It doesn't happen to everybody. But you never know if you'll be one of the ones it does happen to. It's better to be safe than sorry. (Says the fat guy who is on blood pressure medications and eats salty foods all the time...) Uh... Did I type that out loude???
The TOG

mom is on the opposite end of the spectrum. she is anemic and thirty POUNDS underweight and eats healthy. she has genes that cause here to have it. it runs in her family. her brothers all have it and her dad did too.

[MENTION=11841]jasoncran[/MENTION]:

Some ppl say salt is good for you. Others say it's bad for you. Others can eat it anyway whether it's supposed to be good for you or bad for you...

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

max gerson cured migraines by eliminating salt entirely from the diet. later he found out that lupus was also cured. the government and the phrmk blacklisted him, even though he (is the only doctor who) testified before the united states congress to get the already proven cure for cancer approved to be studied and henceforth used legally. (it still is illegal to cure cancer for doctors in the usa, since 1950). (sorry, no refs - search the internet and there are enough to read for a decade plus!)....

the trouble with salt (refined) is that it is 'cooked' (someone asked the difference between cooked and uncooked i think).
morton heated up the salt to as high as 1500 degrees (hot+_!)
so that
"when it rains, it pours" >>> see the picture on the salt of a girl with an umbrella pouring out salt without trouble while in a downpour> i.e. in high humidity 'refined' salt doesn't clump up or absorb moisture (Nor does it dissolve in water too easily)... thus , refined salt doesn't dissolve in the body either, mouth, stomach, intestines, or blood vessels.
thus, anecdotally, supposedly, logically, wherever the salt hits the tissue/ blood vessel wall, it cause damage and then scar tissue or plaque buildup starts and causes harm to the body....

sea salt on the other hand, when it is true sea salt(whatever that means), dissolves easily in water, and also thus in the mouth, stomach, intestines and blood vessels, and thus anecdotally supposedly at least it doesn't therefore cause damage.

there is a book published a few years ago titled "the salt conspiracy"(that is the TITLE of the BOOK), before 1950, that warned americans all about this.... .... ... and many good and honest doctors did and still do warn people.... but it still got worse year after year after year for the american food supply. (read the label and see how many foods have "SALT") ... try to avoid it is almost impossible, but very helpful ! for health.

it seems like about 1980 that it was proven salt/ sodium chloride does NOT cause high blood pressure, UNLESS there is a deficiency of potassium also. ... however I don't know if sea salt helps or not either way, only that a lot of minerals are in sea salt while practically none are in refined salt (same with raw sugar VS refined sugar) , so naturally sea salt is a healthier choice to make (and vegetable salt may be even better, if you can find it for real).

a real eye opener today is a random internet search using the terms "3 white poisons" or "4 white poisons" ---- there's a lot of info to sift through , Yhwh willing.

bibliography for research or even just for informative reading ::>>>
adelle davis (any book) (first lady to expose the fda and nutrition in the usa nationwide) ;
maureen salaman (any book) (president since 1960 of the NHF National Health Foundation- (100k ama doctors membership trying to keep nutrition in americans diet and trying to keep or make it legal to cure disease)
max gerson (any book)
carey reams(can't find his books - they're very rare at least, or expensive)
the diamonds (fit for life I and II ) very easy to read books , a lot of immediately useful information for health.
"moses wasn't fat" a very fun book to read, explains why moses wasn't fat. (and why the people he led had no illness among them at times, correct- no illness at times. no illness in over 100,000 people; perhaps a million people)
p.s. there's a clinic in chicago with 35000 members , and none of their family has autism. (gotta search for that one)

 

[Classik]

Interesting and surprising