Real Idea of Gap Creationism

[veteran]

Quote Veteran: "24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

When God did that, the mountains trembled and the hills moved. It destroyed that time on the earth."

Hi Veteran:

Here again you are suggesting that God was the cause !

Don't get wacko with me. God's destruction of that time was the RESULT of rebellion on the earth; He was not the CAUSE behind that! God is not the cause of rebellion, got it?!

Hi Veteran:

I fully understand the rebellion that occured in heaven, and God throwing out one third of the angels out of heaven. But now you are suggesting that there was a rebellion here upon the earth in Gen. 1:2.

The rebellion took place in heaven, not here on earth !

Again your words --- "God's destruction of that time" < Is a clear indication, that you are calling it God's destruction !

Let me point out to you once again, that in Rev. 12:15 that it was the serpent that was the "cause" of the flood (water) in Gen. 1:2 ! !

Gen 2:8-10
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
(KJV)

How is it that you don't understand this? I'll give you benefit of the doubt, because it seems you've been listening a lot to folks that care more about traditions of men than what God's Word actually reveals.


Rev 21:1-4
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(KJV)

Ps 37:9-11
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
(KJV)

Ps 37:28-29
28 For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
(KJV)

Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
(KJV)

1 Cor 15:50
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
(KJV)

 

[veteran]

Satan's original rebellion is mentioned in Rev.12 ONLY at verses 3 & 4. Rev.12:6 forward is still future to us.

And a BIG YES God brought a destruction upon the EARTH at Gen.1:2 to end Satan's rebellion against Him, just as He also did during Noah's days. And He's going to bring one more destruction upon this earth in the near future, but using His consuming fire this next time!

If you'd take time to read and learn in the Old Testament Books, you might understand how his rebellion also involved the earth, because it sure doesn't appear those you've been listening to are going to reveal it to you.

If God's Garden of Eden was once upon this earth, like Genesis 2 PLAINLY shows, even with His River branching out to feed four other rivers ALSO ON THE EARTH, then HOW was His Eden on the earth? Where would His Heaven have been there in Genesis 2? Eden is God's dwelling, wherever it is, that's where He is. The Greek Septuagint OT Bible, a Bible the early Christians used, has that word Eden as 'Paradise'.

Per Ezekiel 28, the cherub which God mentions there is the devil. And God reveals how that cherub that covereth originally served Him at His Altar, and how he was in Eden in the Garden of God. At the end of Revelation, God's dwelling place New Jerusalem comes down to the earth out of Heaven. His River that flows out from His Throne is shown on earth again in final, per Ezekiel 47.

Most Churches aren't going to cover that. At least half the pastors I've talked with know about that, but their denominational system won't allow them to cover it to any depth. I'm really surprised at how few here understand that, because someone who has actually read those Scriptures could in no way miss it.

 

[Mysteryman]

Satan's original rebellion is mentioned in Rev.12 ONLY at verses 3 & 4. Rev.12:6 forward is still future to us.

And a BIG YES God brought a destruction upon the EARTH at Gen.1:2 to end Satan's rebellion against Him, just as He also did during Noah's days. And He's going to bring one more destruction upon this earth in the near future, but using His consuming fire this next time!

If you'd take time to read and learn in the Old Testament Books, you might understand how his rebellion also involved the earth, because it sure doesn't appear those you've been listening to are going to reveal it to you.

If God's Garden of Eden was once upon this earth, like Genesis 2 PLAINLY shows, even with His River branching out to feed four other rivers ALSO ON THE EARTH, then HOW was His Eden on the earth? Where would His Heaven have been there in Genesis 2? Eden is God's dwelling, wherever it is, that's where He is. The Greek Septuagint OT Bible, a Bible the early Christians used, has that word Eden as 'Paradise'.

Per Ezekiel 28, the cherub which God mentions there is the devil. And God reveals how that cherub that covereth originally served Him at His Altar, and how he was in Eden in the Garden of God. At the end of Revelation, God's dwelling place New Jerusalem comes down to the earth out of Heaven. His River that flows out from His Throne is shown on earth again in final, per Ezekiel 47.

Most Churches aren't going to cover that. At least half the pastors I've talked with know about that, but their denominational system won't allow them to cover it to any depth. I'm really surprised at how few here understand that, because someone who has actually read those Scriptures could in no way miss it.

Hi Veteran:

Yes, the garden is paradise. But this paradise is after Gen. 1:2. And no, the cherub you speak of in Ezekiel is not in the garden/pardise of Genesis as a cherub, but as the serpent ! Or the adversary of God.

Just before the event of Gen. 1:2, Rev. 12:9 occurs. The waters spoken of in Gen. 1:2 is the result of Rev. 12:15. The serpent, the adversary of God, the darkness of this world , was the cause of the flood of water in Gen. 1:2.

In the book of Ezek. and chapter 28 and in verses 14 - 19 shows us that this cherub was in heaven, until God cast him down to the earth. Which he did in Rev. 12:9. He was the angel of light, and became the angel of darkness. Gen. 1:2 tells us of this darkness. This is spiritual darkness. It was this spiritual darkness that caused this earth which God had created, to become without form and void.

God is never the cause of darkness !

The adversary of God is the cause of darkness. God is all light and in him is no darkness at all !

The waters upon this earth came from the angel of darkness, which spewed out of his mouth - Rev. 12:15

 

[veteran]

Hi Veteran:

Yes, the garden is paradise. But this paradise is after Gen. 1:2. And no, the cherub you speak of in Exekiel is not in the garden/pardise of Genesis as a cherub, but as the serpent ! Or the adversary of God.

Read Ezekiel 28 again brother:

Ezek 28:13-15
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
(KJV)

Everything underlined above was BEFORE the devil rebelled against God in coveting His throne. We know God is talking about Satan there as that "anointed cherub that covereth", which God originally created pefect in his ways. The timing of that? BEFORE Adam and Eve, and BEFORE Genesis 2. When iniquity was found in him that was about his rebellion.

When Satan shows up in God's Eden as the serpent in Gen.2, that's POST-REBELLION; he was already in his role as adversary in Adam and Eve's day.

That's still... does not involve the matter of why or how God's Garden of Eden is shown on earth in Genesis 2.

Just before the event of Gen. 1:2, Rev. 12:9 occurs. The waters spoken of in Gen. 1:2 is the result of Rev. 12:15. The serpent, the adversary of God, the darkness of this world , was the cause of the flood of water in Gen. 1:2.

The waters "as a flood" coming out of the dragon's mouth is a metaphor (see Isaiah 8:7; Isaiah 28:2; Isaiah 59:19). It represents lies, for it's words that come out of one's mouth, not a literal flood of waters. That's why the KJV translators rendered it "waters as a flood", not a literal flood. The waters of Gen.1:2, that was about a real flood of real waters, just like the flood waters in Noah's days. The waters overspread upon the earth at Gen.1:2 represent the state of the earth AFTER God ended Satan's rebellion, just like how God destroyed the wicked off the earth in Noah's day.

I don't know who told you the Rev.12:9 verse was about Satan's original rebellion, because it's not. Check the flow of subjects given within those Rev.12:7-17 verses, for that's about the end of days just prior to Christ's return. The subject of Christ's Salvation is even mentioned within it, yet at Satan's original rebellion Christ had not yet been born to die on the cross. Definitely there was no overcoming through Christ's Blood at Satan's original rebellion. Come on, you're not thinking. Satan drawing one third of the stars (angels) in rebellion with him per Rev.12:3-4 was about his original rebellion, and that's the ONLY place written in Rev.12 about that time.

In the book of Ezek. and chapter 28 and in verses 14 - 19 shows us that this cherub was in heaven, until God cast him down to the earth. Which he did in Rev. 12:9. He was the angel of light, and became the angel of darkness. Gen. 1:2 tells us of this darkness. This is spiritual darkness. It was this spiritual darkness that caused this earth which God had created, to become without form and void.

I can see you're having a hard time with this. In Ezek.28:17 God said He "will cast" Satan to the ground, and lay him before kings that they may behold him. Now just what time is that for? Definitely not his original rebellion. In the very next verse, God said He will bring a fire from within Satan that shall devour him, and that He'd bring him to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all those who behold him. What's time is that for? The VERY END, the "lake of fire" event, AFTER Christ's "thousand years" reign, which is yet future to us even.

Once again, the Rev.12:7-17 verses are for Satan's FUTURE CASTING DOWN TO THIS EARTH, IN THE LAST DAYS. ALL those 7 through 17 verses are of the SAME timing.

Satan as "an angel of light" is about his disguising himself AS an angel of light, per Paul in 2 Cor.11:14. And what's Paul subject there? He said he wants to present us to Christ as "a chaste virgin", and not deceived by Satan. Paul's referring to end times deception, about the "another Jesus", and of how Satan is transformed (disguised per the Greek) as an angel of light, and his ministers as the ministers of righteousness. All that's about the end times. Can't just take that one phrase and throw it into Genesis like you did. That's taking Scripture totally out of the context where it's written, like playing Russian Roulette with God's Word.

God is never the cause of darkness !

The adversary of God is the cause of darkness. God is all light and in him is no darkness at all !

I agree with that. Satan is who caused that darkness, and the literal darkness over the earth was because of that rebellion. And like the time of Noah's flood, God ended that time on earth then too, with waters of a flood.

The waters upon this earth came from the angel of darkness, which spewed out of his mouth - Rev. 12:15

Afraid not, the Rev.12:7-17 verses are not even about the time of Satan's original rebellion. Someone's been feeding you fodder, all in order to get your mind away from the actual timing of the Rev.12:7-17 verses, for that's about Satan's FUTURE casting down to this earth which is what starts the great tribulation. This is why our Lord Jesus gave us a hint in Rev.12:3-4 about Satan's system on earth he originally rebelled with that had ten horns, SEVEN CROWNS, and seven heads. Christ is comparing that one of old with the one in Rev.13:1 for our future, which is to have ten horns, TEN CROWNS, and seven heads. Note how the number of 'crowns' are different.

 

[veteran]

That argument still does not explain what God's Garden of Eden was doing there on the earth in Genesis 2. That was a time AFTER Satan had already rebelled, and was in his role as "that old serpent" tempting Adam and Eve. That was AFTER his original rebellion with the very first sin against God.

After Adam and Eve sinned against God in His Eden, they were removed from Eden (Gen.3:23). Then God setup Cherubims and a flaming sword to guard the tree of life from all directions (Gen.3:24). That's when God moved His Abode of Eden and His River that emits from His Throne off this earth to the dimension behind a vail where It is now. That shows God's Garden of Eden, His Paradise, once had a direct manifesting upon this earth, like the heavenly and earthly existing in the same space or dimension. That is also what His return with the new heavens and a new earth points to, His direct Presence on earth with us. Christ's Milennium reign is to be a start of that return to this earth, with that River of the waters of life manifested on earth again, where Jerusalem is today (Ezekiel 47; Revelation 21-22).


Isa 19:23-25
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel Mine inheritance.
(KJV)

Not only will that River of Eden in Gen.2 manifest on earth again in the future, but there shall also be a highway from Egypt running all the way to Assyria, through the land of Israel, with each being counted as one-third in His Kingdom.

I'm sorry that this kind of upsets those who dream of living upon literal Heavenly clouds with Christ away from this earth, but that's not the picture God's Word paints about His Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ. The heavenly is going to manifest upon this earth in that future time. And that's what Genesis 2 shows with God's Garden of Eden on earth, feeding four rivers also upon the earth, two of which we still know of today on earth (Tigris or "Hiddekel" and Euphrates)

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Veteran : "Rev.12:7-17 verses, for that's about Satan's FUTURE casting down to this earth which is what starts the great tribulation."
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Hi Veteran :

This is absolutely not true !

Your whole theory of what we have been discussing, is based upon this fallacy !

Satan the devil is not in heaven right now. He has been cast out with one third of the angels that followed him. He was cast into the depths of the earth. And if you read the book of Job, God is talking with Satan, and God asks him, where he has been ? And he lied and told God that he has been a good ole boy, and has just been going to and fro in the earth. The truth is, he came above the earth, from beneath the earth where God had cast him. No angel can come to this earth unless they are ordered to do so by God. The adversary of God (the Devil / Satan / Serpent) can not come to this earth according to their free will from a heavenly abode.

In the book of Ezek. God is talking to Lucifer about the past tense, when God created him and for what purpose. In the garden , the serpent who talked to the woman, had to come above the earth in order to talk to her. He did not come down from heaven to talk to her. He was in the garden only after he came above the earth. God is not ignorant ! God knew where and what the serpent was doing at all times. What God allows is God's buisness. And it is for his purposes.

So many people believe in this false doctorine, that the false Christ is not here yet, nor that the devil/satan has not yet been cast out of heaven. People are falsely waiting , while holding onto a false premise that he is not here as of yet. Well let me open up your eyes. He is here !! And he comes in many forms. He was the angel of light and translforms himself into the angel of darkness, and he comes as a deceiver , claiming to be someone he his not. Such as a prophet of God , or a teacher of God, or as an apostle of God, or as a brethren. II Peter 2:1 - 4 , which exposes this false doctrine you are expressing here. They have been cast down already ! In verse 4 we see the word "hell", which is such a poor translation it is not funny. It is the greek word - "tartaroo", which means a place of the unseen. The translators concoted a word and called it, hell.

The devil and all his followers (devil spirits) are among us. They have already been cast down from heaven prior to Gen. 1:2.

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Veteran: "I'm sorry that this kind of upsets those who dream of living upon literal Heavenly clouds with Christ away from this earth, but that's not the picture God's Word paints about His Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ. The heavenly is going to manifest upon this earth in that future time. And that's what Genesis 2 shows with God's Garden of Eden on earth, feeding four rivers also upon the earth, two of which we still know of today on earth (Tigris or "Hiddekel" and Euphrates)"
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Hi Veteran :

This is false ! God is going to destroy this earth, and then God is going to make "all" things new.

God is not going to renew this earth!

There is going to be a new heaven and a new earth. NEW !

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote Veteran : "If God's Garden of Eden was once upon this earth, like Genesis 2 PLAINLY shows"
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Hi Veteran :

The garden of Eden is still here. But I seriously doubt anyone will every find it. It was the active paradise here upon this earth. Now it is inactive. The New Earth is also going to be the new paradise of God.

 

[veteran]

You're taking "new" in the absolute sense, as if God is going to literally destroy this whole planet! That's not the idea of the new heavens and a new earth. 2 Peter 3:10 also reveals this when he used the Greek word 'stoicheon' ("elements"). That word means an orderly arrangement, rudiments. See how it's also used in Galatians 4:3, 4:9; Col.2:8, 2:20.


Ps 78:69
69 And He built His sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which He hath established for ever.
(KJV)

Ps 102:25-27
25 Of old hast Thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of Thy hands.
26 They shall perish, but Thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt Thou change them, and they shall be changed:
27 But Thou art the same, and Thy years shall have no end.
(KJV)

Note how that gives the idea of God changing the earth like changing a dirty old garment, and putting on a fresh one. That's in reference to how God is going to cleanse the SURFACE of the earth, changing it and those upon it, not throwing the earth away by turning it into some asteroid belt.


Ps 104:5
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
(KJV)

When God created the earth, He laid its foundation that it will not be removed, even for ever.

Isa 51:6
6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but My salvation shall be for ever, and My righteousness shall not be abolished.
(KJV)

That's what Peter is talking about, not an absolute destruction of the earth, but a cleansing of its surface by destroying man's order (stoicheon- "elements") off it, just as God has done previously. That's why Peter also covers previous cleansing of the earth's surface by a flood in that same 2 Peter 3 chapter.

 

[veteran]

Quote Veteran : "Rev.12:7-17 verses, for that's about Satan's FUTURE casting down to this earth which is what starts the great tribulation."
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Hi Veteran :

This is absolutely not true !

Your whole theory of what we have been discussing, is based upon this fallacy !

Satan the devil is not in heaven right now. He has been cast out with one third of the angels that followed him. He was cast into the depths of the earth. And if you read the book of Job, God is talking with Satan, and God asks him, where he has been ? And he lied and told God that he has been a good ole boy, and has just been going to and fro in the earth. The truth is, he came above the earth, from beneath the earth where God had cast him. No angel can come to this earth unless they are ordered to do so by God. The adversary of God (the Devil / Satan / Serpent) can not come to this earth according to their free will from a heavenly abode.

Guess you missed the Message of the Book of Job, with God allowing Satan to directly test Job on the earth, and doing that from the heavenly dimension. Satan, with his angels, appeared before God's Throne then, showing he had freedom of movement walking up and down the earth, just as he did when tempting Christ in Luke 4.

In the book of Ezek. God is talking to Lucifer about the past tense, when God created him and for what purpose. In the garden , the serpent who talked to the woman, had to come above the earth in order to talk to her. He did not come down from heaven to talk to her. He was in the garden only after he came above the earth. God is not ignorant ! God knew where and what the serpent was doing at all times. What God allows is God's buisness. And it is for his purposes.

Those statements do not agree with what's written in Ezekiel 28:13-15 at all, since Ezek.28:13-15 has nothing to do with the time of Adam and Eve in God's Garden. Do you think others who can read for theirselves can't tell you're not being truthful about those Ezekiel 28 verses?

So many people believe in this false doctorine, that the false Christ is not here yet, nor that the devil/satan has not yet been cast out of heaven. People are falsely waiting , while holding onto a false premise that he is not here as of yet. Well let me open up your eyes. He is here !! And he comes in many forms. He was the angel of light and translforms himself into the angel of darkness, and he comes as a deceiver , claiming to be someone he his not. Such as a prophet of God , or a teacher of God, or as an apostle of God, or as a brethren. II Peter 2:1 - 4 , which exposes this false doctrine you are expressing here. They have been cast down already ! In verse 4 we see the word "hell", which is such a poor translation it is not funny. It is the greek word - "tartaroo", which means a place of the unseen. The translators concoted a word and called it, hell.

You're irrational. At one point, like with Job, you appear to recognize Satan has freedom of movement between Heaven and hell and the earth, but then you recant later by inferring that since he's cast down he can't appear in Heaven before God's Throne. Let's look at what God says about that...

Job 2:1-2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
(KJV)

God's Word says different than what you say.

The devil and all his followers (devil spirits) are among us. They have already been cast down from heaven prior to Gen. 1:2.

John 12:30-31
30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of Me, but for your sakes.
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
(KJV)

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
(KJV)

In one place, our Lord Jesus says Satan would be cast out, and then later shows he is coming and has nothing in Him.

NOW we can easily see just why you're in denial about the Rev.12:7-17 verses being about the end of days just prior to Christ's coming. I don't recall, are you on the Pre-Trib "secret rapture" theory? Sounds like you are, and that's why you would want to deny the Rev.12:7-17 casting out for the coming tribulation time.

FYI - Satan is a heavenly cherub, even called an angel at times. And he is not locked in chains in the pit of hell just yet, which you seem to at least partly understand. He won't be bound in the pit until Christ's return (Rev.20). And you're very correct that Satan can only do what God allows him to do. One of the things God is going to allow him to do in the last days, is come to this earth, in person, publicly. That''s why Rev.12:7-9 is about his being cast out of the HEAVENLY DIMENSION down to this earth in the last days. And his angels will be cast down to this earth in person with him, coming out of the heavenly dimension where they are now, and manifesting in OUR earthly dimension. That's quite a different casting out, don't ya think?

That's why Rev.12:7-17 is so specific in warning those who are on the earth, because the devil himself and his angels are coming among them, in our own earthly dimension, and he knows he has a short time. Even that "short time" is a pointer to the last days prior to Christ's coming.

Now men's traditions have lied and done everything in the world they could to deceive believers into thinking that event of Satan and his angels manifesting in this earthly dimension not being possible. They especially like to get us to dwell upon the idea that no angel can appear on earth like we in the flesh do, when God's Word shows differently (remember the two angels the sodomites saw in Sodom and Gomorrah?). They also over-dwell on the idea that the "antichrist" must be some flesh born man, trying to make the believer look only for some flesh leader on the earth in that role, especially a pope. And no wonder the event of Genesis 6 with the fallen angels taking wives of the flesh daughters of men scares them so much. It might just lead a believer to consider that the false one getting ready to come in the last days prior to Christ just might be Satan himself, especially if those angels were able to leave their own habitation in the heavenly and come to the earth and take wives of the daughters of flesh men, as written!


Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That underlined part is why the deceived refuse to accept the objects Christ showed in His story of Lazarus and the rich man. Both Lazarus and the rich man died, their flesh was buried, Lazarus was taken across a great gulf fixed border in heaven, while the rich man was taken and placed in the abode of the wicked called HELL. The ancient Greeks called it Haides, but believed everyone goes to the same place. Hey! That KJV word "hell" there in Luke 16:23 about the rich man IS the word 'haides' in the Greek! Still, that place our Lord Jesus showed was not near God's Heavenly Throne. That's why John was shown souls of martyred saints under God's altar in Rev.6.

Until Satan is cast out of the heavenly dimension totally, he stands as our accuser before God. His casting to this earth in the last days is not about his being cast down to the earth like his original rebellion, for even his pit or prison house is in the heavenly dimension, in a place of separation from God's dwelling. Fleshy preachers try to create some hot place inside the material earth as Satan's pit of hell, as if it's not within the heavenly dimension. It's in the heavenly dimension, even right now, make no mistake about that. Satan is a heavenly created being, a cherub, not a flesh pirate. It is in the heavenly dimension that he dwells and moves and works, behind the vail of our earthly dimension.

Brethren, just when you thought the abominations on this earth couldn't get a whole lot worse, the hard truth is that the pit of hell is coming here on this earth in the last days when this event of Rev.12:7-9 happens. They're here only in spirit now. That's why the rider on the horse in Rev.6 is named "Death" (another title for Satan), and "Hell" follows with him (Rev.6:8). This is why we're told in Rev.16 about spirits of devils working miracles, with the dragon himself working miracles "in the sight of men" (Rev.13:11 forward). That's also why, God shows in Ezekiel 28:18 that He's going to bring a fire in the midst of Satan that will bring him to "ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

This is why Rev.12:8 says there is no more place in heaven found for them after that war in heaven with Michael and his angels. The devil's abode of the pit of which he is named "angel of the bottomless pit", will no longer be in the heavenly dimension at that point. It will come to this earthly dimension.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

If this casting out was about Satan's rebellion of old, then why is Christ's Salvation coming there in Heaven being mentioned? At Satan's original rebellion Christ had not even come yet to die on the cross!?! The next verse continues about this casting out...

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
(KJV)

When Satan was originally cast down at his first rebellion, was anyone there on earth to overcome him like these verses show? NO. We're even shown this "wrath" by Satan is upon God's people, His saints on earth. The last verse of Rev.12 is very specific about that.

Thus the Rev.12:7-9 casting to the earth of Satan and his angels is still a future event. It's about their being cast out of the heavenly dimension to our earthly dimension.

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi Veteran :

I just read this long post of yours. To say the least, it does not follow any logical standard by which you draw your information from.

I thought I would just bring one of your comments forward here , so that we can discuss this one comment for now.

Here is what you said : "Guess you missed the Message of the Book of Job, with God allowing Satan to directly test Job on the earth, and doing that from the heavenly dimension. Satan, with his angels, appeared before God's Throne then, showing he had freedom of movement walking up and down the earth, just as he did when tempting Christ in Luke 4."

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Hey Veteran :

Two major things are wrong with you comment here ! You have not provide any scripture to support your theory that in the book of Job, that Satan was in his heavenly abode while tempting Job. So now is your opportunity to do so ! (which I know you can't)

Next, The Word tells us that light dispells darkness. God is all light . Do you honestly think that God, who is all light, would not dispell the darkness of Satan from heaven, and one third of the angels, if they were still in their heavenly abode ? Would not God have to go against His own Word in order to do that ?