Real Idea of Gap Creationism

[veteran]

that i understand, vet, but are you stating the earth before the creation of adam and eve, was destroyed because of satan?

When you say, "that i understand", just what is it that you understand about it?

Basically yes, the state of the earth at Gen.1:2, and what Paul is showing in Rom.8 about God placing the creation into "bondage of corruption", points to His destruction of the earth (its surface) because of some event that happened.

 

[Mysteryman]

that i understand, vet, but are you stating the earth before the creation of adam and eve, was destroyed because of satan?

When you say, "that i understand", just what is it that you understand about it?

Basically yes, the state of the earth at Gen.1:2, and what Paul is showing in Rom.8 about God placing the creation into "bondage of corruption", points to His destruction of the earth (its surface) because of some event that happened.

Hi Veteran

Do you believe it was what is spoken about in Rev. 12:15 ?

 

[seekandlisten]

but vet DOESNT buy into evolution, so that is what this thread is about.

It's about the Gap Theory which I am trying to understand what that is exactly and how it lines up with the evidence we have.

and on the government, you just said that we cant openly practice what we live, meaning this it must be what the society votes as moral,not what the lord says is moral.

Yet you can be thankful that you can freely practice your beliefs along as you respect the beliefs of your fellow man. I don't see a problem?

in order words if i decide to be doc and i work for the socialized medicinal system in canada as an ob-gyn, i must ignore what i believe to be wrong and kill the child if need be.in america that is still against the law and that is slowly being undone.

The only thing is, this is what you claim is happening yet it isn't. My sister is a doctor and doesn't agree with abortion and she doesn't have to choose between her profession and her beliefs so your statement is only what you think will happen not what actually happens. Just because abortion is made legal doesn't mean you will be forced to go against your beliefs and perform one.

by your thinking should we christian then be consistent and stop helping the poor? after all we all like all the good things about the lord but forget that he did also call sin sin and we are to honor that.

This makes zero sense and I have no idea where you pulled this idea from??

one cant be honest to the lord and say that well its not right for us to live the the calling in all arenas.

Only because you add scenario's that don't exist when people spread opinions like they are facts.

cheers

 

[seekandlisten]

Hey veteran and MM,

Is the info I posted in regards to what the Gap Theory is the same as what you believe? Could you post a source to what it is you believe to be true in regards to what the Gap Theory is please. Or is it just that Genesis 1:2 refers to God repairing rather than creating and there is a time frame in between verses 1 and 2. I have to go for now but I'll check back when I get time.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

in america that has happened, and i assumed that in canada it was the case. doctors were forced against their will to give invitro fertilization to the lesbian couple or be sued they choose the later.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/ ... e_lesbian/

i said that if we are told we cant practice openly what we believe, then we should be consistent and not help the poor.

that is what i meant by that confusion, you cant have it both ways. help the poor but deny the worldview and living by that.

i believe what jesus says, if says it sin it is.

and no i am not saying that we arent to help the poor but its inconstent to say that we should apply only what is 'sacred' to the sacred.

 

[seekandlisten]

in america that has happened, and i assumed that in canada it was the case. doctors were forced against their will to give invitro fertilization to the lesbian couple or be sued they choose the later.

Well, now your presenting something totally different. Are we talking about abortion or discriminating against those of a different sexual preference. Show me in the Bible were you are allowed refuse help due to discrimination. Does this mean that anyone who is labeled a 'sinner' by your religion you are allowed to refuse to help in time of need? The Bible states differently I'm pretty sure.

cheers

 

[veteran]

Firstly, the Gap idea did not originate with Darwinists, evolutionists, etc. That's just a trick to try and discredit it, propaganda by those who somehow think it's out to destroy the Genesis traditions most of us were taught in Sunday School (myself included). There's been many Christian Bible scholars, ministers and pastors that see it, and teach it, and don't believe in evolution at all.

Well, I accept evolution in light of the evidence so I don't understand how people reject it thinking it is against 'God' somehow especially when those claiming it is don't understand the theory to begin with so, like me at one time, was fed lies about what the ToE states by creationist's trying to forward their own agendas.

When I did study the Gap Theory at one time, the source I was reading was reconciling evolution with the theory. The issue I had was they added in the war of the angels or Lucifer's rebellion which I wondered where the evidence came from for that line of thinking. I was curious as to what you believed about the theory and how you view it alongside the physical evidence we have. At this point I'm assuming you still believe in the 6-day literal account of creation but instead of it being the original creation it is God repairing the earth after satan destroyed it? Am I understanding your position correctly?

cheers

I don't believe in evolution. God's Word does not support theories of evolution. I very strongly believe that God created the earth and all things in it, as written.

The Gap idea does not conflict with God's creation, nor the six days in Genesis 1, for it would simply point to six days of the creation of THIS PRESENT world, from Genesis 1:2 forward.

Nor do I believe the Gap has anything to do with a prior creation of man on the earth before Adam and Eve, but concerning angels, that's a different matter. We know Satan rebelled and originally drew one third of the angels into rebellion with him (Rev.12:3-4). Along with that info is mentioned a beast system that had ten horns, seven crowns, and seven heads. Ezekiel 28 & 31 are given as a picture of that time, kingdoms of this present time being compared with it.

Could all this mean lot of the archeaological artifacts present today are very ancient? Possibly, yes. But it still does not suggest evolution, but creation.

 

[jasoncran]

in america that has happened, and i assumed that in canada it was the case. doctors were forced against their will to give invitro fertilization to the lesbian couple or be sued they choose the later.

Well, now your presenting something totally different. Are we talking about abortion or discriminating against those of a different sexual preference. Show me in the Bible were you are allowed refuse help due to discrimination. Does this mean that anyone who is labeled a 'sinner' by your religion you are allowed to refuse to help in time of need? The Bible states differently I'm pretty sure.

cheers

negative, invitro isnt life threatneing, will a women die without child, i dont think so.

if a drunk ask me for beer should i then supply him one. and the the church has never refused help to the those in need of food, or water or a roof, but again is having a child by invitro medically neecessary?

 

[seekandlisten]

negative, invitro isnt life threatneing, will a women die without child, i dont think so.

if a drunk ask me for beer should i then supply him one. and the the church has never refused help to the those in need of food, or water or a roof, but again is having a child by invitro medically neecessary?

Let me put it this way. If you think invitro is a sin then you have a right to refuse. If you think it's wrong based on the fact that it is a lesbian couple and not a straight couple then you are discriminating which is not supported in the Bible.

cheers

 

[Mysteryman]

Hey veteran and MM,

Is the info I posted in regards to what the Gap Theory is the same as what you believe? Could you post a source to what it is you believe to be true in regards to what the Gap Theory is please. Or is it just that Genesis 1:2 refers to God repairing rather than creating and there is a time frame in between verses 1 and 2. I have to go for now but I'll check back when I get time.

cheers

Hi seekandlisten:

I would like to give this thread more of my time. But some days time and effort is limited. I will say however, that Gen. 1:2 is refering to God repairing rather than creating. Although, there are other creations mentioned in chapter one of Genesis, like the creation of man.

Because there was life on this earth in Gen. 1:1 it refers to plant and animal life and a kind of mankind type of life. This mass destruction of the earth took all of these plants and animals and this type of mankind out , and it cause everything to die, so that the earth became void of all life.

Bless

 

[veteran]

that i understand, vet, but are you stating the earth before the creation of adam and eve, was destroyed because of satan?

When you say, "that i understand", just what is it that you understand about it?

Basically yes, the state of the earth at Gen.1:2, and what Paul is showing in Rom.8 about God placing the creation into "bondage of corruption", points to His destruction of the earth (its surface) because of some event that happened.

Hi Veteran

Do you believe it was what is spoken about in Rev. 12:15 ?

No. Only Rev.12:3-4 is about it in that chapter.

 

[jasoncran]

negative, invitro isnt life threatneing, will a women die without child, i dont think so.

if a drunk ask me for beer should i then supply him one. and the the church has never refused help to the those in need of food, or water or a roof, but again is having a child by invitro medically neecessary?

Let me put it this way. If you think invitro is a sin then you have a right to refuse. If you think it's wrong based on the fact that it is a lesbian couple and not a straight couple then you are discriminating which is not supported in the Bible.

cheers

uh, no you are wrong. so by that thinking we should let the lbgt be pastors and not call it sin. and how can one call it sin and allow the lesbian couple to have a child. duh they are sinning as they are doing that sin. living together.

it not discrimination as the bible calls sin sin and being lbgt is sin, but thats the last as we have ruined this thread.

 

[Mysteryman]

that i understand, vet, but are you stating the earth before the creation of adam and eve, was destroyed because of satan?

When you say, "that i understand", just what is it that you understand about it?

Basically yes, the state of the earth at Gen.1:2, and what Paul is showing in Rom.8 about God placing the creation into "bondage of corruption", points to His destruction of the earth (its surface) because of some event that happened.

Hi Veteran

Do you believe it was what is spoken about in Rev. 12:15 ?

No. Only Rev.12:3-4 is about it in that chapter.[/quote]

Hi Veteran:

So where did this water come from in Gen. 1:2 ? And who is responsible for it being there ?

 

[veteran]

Hey veteran and MM,

Is the info I posted in regards to what the Gap Theory is the same as what you believe? Could you post a source to what it is you believe to be true in regards to what the Gap Theory is please. Or is it just that Genesis 1:2 refers to God repairing rather than creating and there is a time frame in between verses 1 and 2. I have to go for now but I'll check back when I get time.

cheers

To your first question, no.

I only see Biblical evidence in what I covered. Theories of evolution in no way ties in with it. Nor do I accept the Big Bang idea as fact; the Big Bang is just a theory, no real evidence given for it in God's Word. If the Big Bang were fact, it would have to be placed at Gen.1:1, and no later.

The Gap idea in Genesis only suggests that God originally created the earth in a good state, and then something happened upon it that caused Him to end that time with waters of a flood, and then He placed His creation in a state of "bondage of corruption" for this present world. Thus between Gen.1:1 and 1:2 it suggests there was a Gap of time that we cannot know. That's the Gap idea, start and finish.

 

[Free]

Gap Theory is just that, a theory, and really has no basis in Scripture. It is an attempt to make the earth the same age as science says it is, nothing more.

 

[veteran]

Hi Veteran

Do you believe it was what is spoken about in Rev. 12:15 ?

No. Only Rev.12:3-4 is about it in that chapter.[/quote]

Hi Veteran:

So where did this water come from in Gen. 1:2 ? And who is responsible for it being there ?[/quote]


Let me try to answer that with asking a question. What does Rev.21:1 mean about "no more sea"?

If the Gap idea is understood that God originally created the earth in a glorious state in the beginning, and this present creation has been placed into "bondage of corruption", then we can only look at what He promised for its future state, and compare that to this present time. That "no more sea" is a time for the coming future glory, and it shows the waters upon the earth today ("sea") being gone. But gone to where? Dried up and non-existant? Ezekiel 47 shows there will still be waters upon the earth, the former and hinder sea, for Christ's Milennium, God's River flowing into it.

After that, we can only speculate. And here's what I speculate on it. Call it my opinion only.

There does exist fossil remains at the earth's Poles that prove at one time the weather there was like a tropic zone. Science has all kinds of theories about that which doesn't fit God's Word. They can't fathom how waters on the earth could be raised up to form a solid cloud covering over the entire earth.

 

[watchman F]

Gap Theory is just that, a theory, and really has no basis in Scripture. It is an attempt to make the earth the same age as science says it is, nothing more.

I couldn't agree more!!!!

 

[Believer.Evermore]

I agree with what you are saying. I would like to add the following bit of supporting evidence from "When Was The Beginning?" (commonly referred to as The Three Earth Ages teaching):

"..."was" is the English translation of a Hebrew word (hayah) which means "became". In other words, the earth was not created without form and void, but that it became that way at some point in time after it was created." (translation from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance)

Source--Watchmen Bible Study Group (When Was The Beginning?)
http://biblestudysite.com/begin.htm

God Bless You!

 

[seekandlisten]

uh, no you are wrong. so by that thinking we should let the lbgt be pastors and not call it sin. and how can one call it sin and allow the lesbian couple to have a child. duh they are sinning as they are doing that sin. living together.

it not discrimination as the bible calls sin sin and being lbgt is sin, but thats the last as we have ruined this thread.

I have no idea how you come to your conclusions dude, it blows my mind. Based on your reasoning the adoption agency shouldn't let non-Christians adopt kids. We don't deny basic human rights based on our religious convictions. But you are right as this has nothing to do with this thread so we'll leave it at that.

cheers

 

[seekandlisten]

Hey veteran and MM,

Is the info I posted in regards to what the Gap Theory is the same as what you believe? Could you post a source to what it is you believe to be true in regards to what the Gap Theory is please. Or is it just that Genesis 1:2 refers to God repairing rather than creating and there is a time frame in between verses 1 and 2. I have to go for now but I'll check back when I get time.

cheers

To your first question, no.

I only see Biblical evidence in what I covered. Theories of evolution in no way ties in with it. Nor do I accept the Big Bang idea as fact; the Big Bang is just a theory, no real evidence given for it in God's Word. If the Big Bang were fact, it would have to be placed at Gen.1:1, and no later.

The Gap idea in Genesis only suggests that God originally created the earth in a good state, and then something happened upon it that caused Him to end that time with waters of a flood, and then He placed His creation in a state of "bondage of corruption" for this present world. Thus between Gen.1:1 and 1:2 it suggests there was a Gap of time that we cannot know. That's the Gap idea, start and finish.

Thanks for your reply. I think I understand your position now. Is there more than one theory regarding this 'gap'? From the looks of what I've seen so far I'm assuming yes. I think the basic principle behind it is clear now though. Thanks for your input. When I have little more time to look into it I may have a few more questions.

cheers