Quath said:
jgredline said:
When you are born again, you will fully understand. I pray it will be soon.
You are talking about people getting into heaven. What I am talking about is sending people to hell. God could easily remove someone from existance rather than torture them for all of eternity. Or if he didn't want to remove them from existance, he still doesn't have to torture them. He could send them to another afterlife that has no torture, but is separate from heaven.
Quath
I stand by my earlier post.
First off all God is Holy. And because God is Holy we can't approach a Holy God because we are unrighteous.
Rom 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
Rom 2:5
But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
The above two verses are for the non believer
but now through Jesus Christ we are made Righteouse
rom 5:18-19
18 Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
5:18 The offense of Adam brought condemnation to all men, but the righteous act of Christ brought justification of life to all. The righteous act was not the Savior’s life or His keeping of the law, but rather His substitutionary death on Calvary. This is what brought justification of lifeâ€â€that is, the justification that results in lifeâ€â€and brought it to all men.
The two alls in this verse do not refer to the same people. The first all means all who are in Adam. The second all means all who are in Christ. This is clear from the words in the preceding verse “those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness ... .†The gift must be received by faith. Only those who trust the Lord receive justification of life.
5:19 Just as by Adam’s disobedience to God’s command many were made sinners, so also by Christ’s obedience to the Father many who trust Him are declared righteous. Christ’s obedience led Him to the cross as our Sin bearer.
It is futile for universalists to use these verses to try to prove that all men will eventually be saved. The passage deals with two federal headships, and it is clear that just as Adam’s sin affects those who are “in him,†so Christ’s righteous act benefits only those who are “in Him.â€Â
I know its hard to understand. I have had this discussion with non believers before and I have no answer that will satisfy you. The bottom Line is simply this. God created the heavens and the earth. God set up his plan his way. God established and gave us all a free will as is evidence when Eve choose to eat the forbiden fruit. We have the choice of heaven or hell. The real question is this. Do you believe in a literall hell? If so, then you need to consider the grace that is there for you to accept that is placed on the cross. If you don't believe that hell is literall, then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal it to you in a way that will make sense to you. This of course would be true if you have your ears open to hear his voice.
Blessings to you quath.
Javier
