Reincarnation and early Christians.....

[Soma-Sight]

Many Jewsih groups have and DO teach the doctrine of reincarnation...

The third century Church leader Origen is a Christian example of a primary supporter of this doctrine......

With the exception of todays Conservative Fundamentalist Groups.... reincarnation can be found in the history of most world religions and liberal Christian Churches....

The link below gives a good unbiased account of this phenom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_and_Reincarnation

 

[Karma2Grace]

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[Karma2Grace]

Many Jewsih groups have and DO teach the doctrine of reincarnation...

The third century Church leader Origen is a Christian example of a primary supporter of this doctrine......

With the exception of todays Conservative Fundamentalist Groups.... reincarnation can be found in the history of most world religions and liberal Christian Churches....

The link below gives a good unbiased account of this phenom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_and_Reincarnation

Bible has no support for reincarnation , Saying otherwise is a violation on Reincarnation, It says the sprit will go under continues rebirth until it qualified to union with GOD so there is no place for hell/salvation in reincarnation but in bible we see lot of references to hell. Jesus referring hell while telling the story of Lazarus, John the Revelator saying that the evildoers will be caste into lake of fire. Totally Reincarnation is denying the Judgment and the sacrifice of Christ, which is centerfold of Christianity Reincarnation assumes the death of one body before the soul can reincarnate into another body. Since Elijah never died but was caught up to heaven (2 Kings 2:11), his soul was "not available." At the Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1-6), Elijah himself showed up. Three Chapters earlier (Matt. 14:1-12), John the Baptist had been beheaded. So when Elijah appeared to Jesus on the mountain, John the Baptist had Already died. In Luke 1:17, we read that John the Baptist will go before Christ "in The spirit and power of Elijah." This is a clear reference to the power of the prophetic ministry of John the Baptist, not a reference to the Reincarnation of Elijah. John the Baptist himself renounced the idea that he might be Elijah. When asked if he was Elijah, John the Baptist replied, "I am not" (John 1:21). From the old testament II kings 2:14 says “..The Spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.†This did not change Elisha to be Elijah but gave him the same authority through the ministry of the Spirit. John had the same Spirit upon him that Elijah did.

Paul says very clearly Heb 9:27 "it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment" After all Reincarnation negates Resurrection and Christ!

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Many Jewsih groups have and DO teach the doctrine of reincarnation...

And? They also deny the Messiahship of Christ so we know they don't have a full understanding.

reincarnation can be found in the history of most world religions and liberal Christian Churches....

Key word being liberal. They are already in heresy with their acceptance of sinful lifestyles. Why not throw in some reincarnation and maybe a little yoga on saturdays too?

 

[Soma-Sight]

a little yoga on saturdays too?

Only a fundamentalist thinks that yoga is satanic!

Did you know that yoga is benificial for the mind, body, and spirit?

It promotes the lymphatic system to get rid of bacteria in the system, releases endorphins for peace of mind and increases flexibility.

Yoga is good for the heart, good for circulation, and good for breath control.......

I have practiced it for many years and know an 80 year old master that is in better shape than 20 year olds I know of!

 

[Karma2Grace]

a little yoga on saturdays too?

Only a fundamentalist thinks that yoga is satanic!

Did you know that yoga is benificial for the mind, body, and spirit?

It promotes the lymphatic system to get rid of bacteria in the system, releases endorphins for peace of mind and increases flexibility.

Yoga is good for the heart, good for circulation, and good for breath control.......

I have practiced it for many years and know an 80 year old master that is in better shape than 20 year olds I know of!

So one more deceived westener!! , Belive me i am from India where the origin on Yoga is, You are just seeing one face of yoga but no the other :evil:

Yoga is a worship of creation than the creator, It is occultic and oppsite to the biblical thoughts. Morever the experiance of Yoga is similar to the acid LSD addicts both will get the out of body and sprit Guidence experiance.‘Yoga’ means “union†from the Sanskrit root word yuj meaning to join or combine. In the West, it is often proclaimed as merely a health benefit or an exercise regimen. This is often advertised as a way to bring calmness and relax a person suffering from stress. This somewhat yanks it from its moorings and does not tell the truth of what yoga is in its origin and what is its true place in Hinduism and eastern thought. Yoga was developed not to help with stress, but to find one’s salvation in the Hindu fashion. There may be a few practitioners of yoga or teachers of yoga that truthfully do advocate it simply as an exercise and as a calming practice without linking it to its world view and origin.
The Divine Light Mission is a well-known example in the West. They will manipulate the eyes in such a way as to produce seeing light at the point of the third eye and meditate and focus on it until it becomes blindingly bright. Swallowing the tongue to taste the nectar of the soul is another practice. This sound, or this nectar is already within us; we need to practice yoga to bring out the soul from the body where it can go into astral travel.
Swami Muktananda popularized another type of yoga, called kundalini yoga. Kundalini is the serpent power that lies dormant at the base of the spine. The goal of this yoga is to awaken this serpent power and bring it upward to union with the upper chakras of the body. Chakras are energy centers in the body. When the serpent power of kundalini merges with the upper chakra, there is an experience of enlightenment and intense power or Shakti.
Another type of yoga is tantra, which is to bring to union the duality of female and male.
The religious world view of yoga says there is purusha (soul) and prakriti (matter or energy). Prakriti comes in three modes called gunas. It is similar to the school of thought, Sankhya, with the important addition of God as the ultimate purusha. Yoga practice allows one to rise above the physical and reach pure consciouness where one is united with the divine and escapes the troubles of karma the body carries with it.
The important point is that Yoga is one of six orthodox schools of thought in Hinduism. Yoga is a technique to find salvation, through union with the divine. This enlightenment to divinity is merely something that must be realizedâ€â€because man is already divine. Yoga assumes that the problem of man is one of perception or realization.
In contrast, Christianity assumes the basic problem of man is not one of knowledge or enlightenment, but a moral problem where man has willed and acted against God and His ways. The solution for the Christian is forgiveness. So there is a serious and deep difference between the assumption of what man’s problem is and therefore how to go about finding a solution to this problem. There is a definite conflict if a person claims to be a Christian and yet practices yoga. In order to do this in the religious sense, he would have to deny the principles and teachings of Jesus. Most of the teachers of yoga believe that anyone can and should practice yoga, and since most do not believe in the analysis by Jesus of the human problem, would have no problem at all with a Christian practicing yoga. Many claim that they are merely practicing meditation and concentration. More often these are code words for emptying the mind and seeking a higher state of consciousness

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Thank you for posting that.

So many people are duped by the "innocence" of eastern occult practices here. Americans have dumbed down in their ability to be discerning. I appreciate your candid look at the practice of yoga and the fact that it is not an innocent, benign practice.

Oh, and Soma, you call me a fundamentalist like it is a bad thing. I actually take that label and wear it proudly. I am a card carrying, non-vacillating fundy at heart. Praise God for the fundamentals of the faith, as without them, we would not have Christianity.

 

[Solo]

a little yoga on saturdays too?

Only a fundamentalist thinks that yoga is satanic!

Did you know that yoga is benificial for the mind, body, and spirit?

It promotes the lymphatic system to get rid of bacteria in the system, releases endorphins for peace of mind and increases flexibility.

Yoga is good for the heart, good for circulation, and good for breath control.......

I have practiced it for many years and know an 80 year old master that is in better shape than 20 year olds I know of!

Only a satanic person would continue to bad mouth fundamentalists!

Did you know that the Bible is true and beneficial for the mind, body, and spirit; and it is with the mind, body, spirit that you are to love God, not serve satan?

Yoga promotes mind control opportunities for demonic intervention into the lives of those that participate in it.

Yoga is bad for the heart, circulation, and breath control........Not to mention the soul.

I haven't practiced yoga at all in the last fifty years, and I know of a 96 year old man who has never practiced yoga or any other satanic mind control games. He farmed until his death at 96 years old without the modern machinery that we have today. He was my great-uncle.

 

[Gary]

Great posts Karma2Grace, Lyric's Dad and Solo.

You have a very practical knowledge of the danger of yoga Karma2Grace. Thank you for your insights.

Lyric's Dad, I agree with you totally. Soma has posted many posts in which he tries to label Bible-believing Christians as "fundamentalists" as an insult. He does not realise that he is in fact blessing us by his attempted insults!

Solo, we also have many people here who are also fooled by yoga. If I look at the "fruit" of their lives, I realise what a crock it all really is. They are so concerned about themselves and their bodies and how they look (you even see that in Soma's 80 year old "guru") that they have very little to offer their fellow-men/women in terms of what the Bible teaches us. It is all very sad really. I have met many older and wiser Spirit-filled Christians who I greatly admire for what they do for their fellow-men and I aspire to be like them rather than the self-centered, body-worshipping and lost "yoga" fanatics I meet.

:-?

 

[DivineNames]

Yoga is a worship of creation than the creator, It is occultic and oppsite to the biblical thoughts. Morever the experiance of Yoga is similar to the acid LSD addicts both will get the out of body and sprit Guidence experiance.‘

Firstly, LSD isn't physically addictive. Secondly, 'out of body' experiences in the astral projection sense, or 'spirit guidance' are not particularly common experiences under the influence of LSD.

 

[Solo]

Yoga is a worship of creation than the creator, It is occultic and oppsite to the biblical thoughts. Morever the experiance of Yoga is similar to the acid LSD addicts both will get the out of body and sprit Guidence experiance.‘

Firstly, LSD isn't physically addictive. Secondly, 'out of body' experiences in the astral projection sense, or 'spirit guidance' are not particularly common experiences under the influence of LSD.

Is this talking from experience?

 

[Karma2Grace]

Yoga is a worship of creation than the creator, It is occultic and oppsite to the biblical thoughts. Morever the experiance of Yoga is similar to the acid LSD addicts both will get the out of body and sprit Guidence experiance.‘

Firstly, LSD isn't physically addictive. Secondly, 'out of body' experiences in the astral projection sense, or 'spirit guidance' are not particularly common experiences under the influence of LSD.

Hi DevineNames,
Try "Death Of a Guru" by Rabi mahraj (Ex Yogi turned to christ from the occult)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846

Thanks

 

[Soma-Sight]

Firstly, LSD isn't physically addictive. Secondly, 'out of body' experiences in the astral projection sense, or 'spirit guidance' are not particularly common experiences under the influence of LSD.

Thank you.

Although I have personally experienced these types of phenom as well.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

So yoga is 'Satanic,' and to be avoided. How about Chinese checkers?
Should I avoid certain types of ethnic foods?

Seriously, though, It seems that the inner journey of yoga can provoke mental distress and illness in the unstable.

I'd say the same thing is true about a fundamentalist approach to religion.

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[Soma-Sight]

So yoga is 'Satanic,' and to be avoided. How about Chinese checkers?
Should I avoid certain types of ethnic foods?

Seriously, though, It seems that the inner journey of yoga can provoke mental distress and illness in the unstable.

I'd say the same thing is true about a fundamentalist approach to religion.

OC,

You have hit on a key point here that I believe needs to be addressed....

If you look to the great mystery in need of security and contentment.....

Dont do Yoga or other such disciplines!

Stick to fundamentalist fast food religion!

Where you have all the answers spelled out for you and all you do is sit back and try to hold it together.

There is a RISK to journeying outside the "safety box" that needs to be addressed!

Looking inside your own soul in the inward journey exposes your faults and Divine qualities. You see demons and you see angels in that same space. It IS quite tramatic and may drive one insane this is true.

Of course contemplating ultimate reality never is...... easy!

 

[Karma2Grace]

So yoga is 'Satanic,' and to be avoided. How about Chinese checkers?
Should I avoid certain types of ethnic foods?

I think you need to read the post again, Yoga is not an exercise, it is a worship, Worshiping Satan and ask him to take control of your body. Normally it will start as an exercise and it will SURE produce good results for your physical health (same time will HARM the spiritual body). I do not want cast my spiritual wellness in Christ for physical health!
It is a process of uniting you body (for having oneness) with the universe (Brahma), Universe is a creation!

Seriously, though, It seems that the inner journey of yoga can provoke mental distress and illness in the unstable.

I'd say the same thing is true about a fundamentalist approach to religion.

There is no such thinh called fundamentalism, It is all about what the bible says...

Thanks

 

[Orthodox Christian]

So yoga is 'Satanic,' and to be avoided. How about Chinese checkers?
Should I avoid certain types of ethnic foods?

I think you need to read the post again, Yoga is not an exercise, it is a worship, Worshiping Satan and ask him to take control of your body.

Well, that does seem to be the consensus of those who are aginst the practice of Yoga, doesn't it- but then again, the consensus of those who don't believe in Christ is that Christianity is the pursuit of useless fables.

As a Christian, I disagree- but I understand what partisanship does to color one's beliefs about the practices of those who do not share their beliefs.

That being said, Yoga is in fact done as exercise/meditation by many, and employed as something deeper by few.

Normally it will start as an exercise and it will SURE produce good results for your physical health (same time will HARM the spiritual body). I do not want cast my spiritual wellness in Christ for physical health!

Yes, but your last statement is predicated on the notion that your belief that Yoga as exercise jeopardizes your spirit. Since I do not see your statement as objectively true, your latter statement is moot (to me).

It is a process of uniting you body (for having oneness) with the universe (Brahma), Universe is a creation!

Funny that- my body is made of the same elements as everything else in the universe. Since God created it all, and since He saw it and sees it as "good," I need not be concerned about being tainted by creation.

On the other hand, those who destroy God's creation with impunity through pollution, excess, and callous disregard- these will have something to answer for and to.

Seriously, though, It seems that the inner journey of yoga can provoke mental distress and illness in the unstable.

I'd say the same thing is true about a fundamentalist approach to religion.

There is no such thinh called fundamentalism, It is all about what the bible says...

Thanks

Au Contraire, my good fellow-

Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal·ism
Pronunciation: -t&l-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs

Source:m-w.com (merriam-webster)
Now, interestingly, Fundamentalists take some things very literally, yet allegorize/symbolize other things.
*When Jesus says "This is my Body"- Fundies say "Symbol!!!"
*When Revelation says 'incense in heaven, over the altar,' Fundies say "symbol!!!"
*When Revelation says '1000 years,' Fundies say "literal!!!"

It's all sort of arbitrary and capricious.
Fundamentalism began as a reaction to the twin'evils' of modernity and Pentecostalism. That Fundamentalists deny their heritage, their tradition, and their reactionarianism is somewhat amusing- at least until Falwell stands up on 9/13/2001 and says that 9/11 happened as God' Judgement on America.'

Then the humor just sort of fades out, replaced quickly by contempt.

I mean, to suggest that God sent some Muslim extremists hurtling into a building filled with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Americans, foreigners, visitors and the like- as a message to stop murdering the innocents- is absurd in the extreme.

 

[Karma2Grace]

Well, that does seem to be the consensus of those who are against the practice of Yoga, doesn't it- but then again, the consensus of those who don't believe in Christ is that Christianity is the pursuit of useless fables

So in the consensus of Osama, he is worshipping his god by killing others why don’t you accept him? All I am saying is being a Christian and practicing yoga is contrary that is it!

That being said, Yoga is in fact done as exercise/meditation by many, and employed as something deeper by few.

It is not the motive but what we do matters,

Funny that- my body is made of the same elements as everything else in the universe. Since God created it all, and since He saw it and sees it as "good," I need not be concerned about being tainted by creation.

God never said worship my creation! Rather HE said worshipping creation is evil!!

Now, interestingly, Fundamentalists take some things very literally, yet allegorize/symbolize other things.

So how about you , All literal or all Symbol?

I mean, to suggest that God sent some Muslim extremists hurtling into a building filled with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Americans, foreigners, visitors and the like- as a message to stop murdering the innocents- is absurd in the extreme.

So what is you explanation on 911?


Thanks

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Well, that does seem to be the consensus of those who are against the practice of Yoga, doesn't it- but then again, the consensus of those who don't believe in Christ is that Christianity is the pursuit of useless fables

So in the consensus of Osama, he is worshipping his god by killing others why don’t you accept him? All I am saying is being a Christian and practicing yoga is contrary that is it!

I'm at a loss as to how you can infer that Osama and the practitioners of Yoga are on the same playing field.

That being said, Yoga is in fact done as exercise/meditation by many, and employed as something deeper by few.

It is not the motive but what we do matters,

So why does Paul tell us that we could surrender our bodies to be burned- ie, be martyred- and have not love- and thus be nothing?

Funny that- my body is made of the same elements as everything else in the universe. Since God created it all, and since He saw it and sees it as "good," I need not be concerned about being tainted by creation.

God never said worship my creation! Rather HE said worshipping creation is evil!!

I'm one with my wife's flesh, yet I do not worship her. Keep in mind that I have not advocated worshipping creation.

Now, interestingly, Fundamentalists take some things very literally, yet allegorize/symbolize other things.

So how about you , All literal or all Symbol?

I read some things literally, some symbolically, though my prevailing sensibility is to take scripture literally. But I acknowledge my contextualization, wherein Fundamentalists hide and deny theirs.

I mean, to suggest that God sent some Muslim extremists hurtling into a building filled with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Americans, foreigners, visitors and the like- as a message to stop murdering the innocents- is absurd in the extreme.

So what is you explanation on 911?


Thanks

My explanation is that evil finds willing vessels in every time, ethnic group, religion, and gender. I happen to be of the belief that Islam is especially fertile in its birthing of hatred, and that hatred and murder are in the DNA of Islam.
I also believe that abortion is murder, and a great evil- but to tie the hatred endemic in Islam to the unconscionable act of abortion is simply ludicrus. Rome was filled with slavery, sodomy, pediophilia, and great violence directed toward the innocent. In the end, it wasn't God who brought Rome down- it was Rome who reaped the consequence of her own excess by rotting from the inside (just as the American Empire appears to be doing.)

 

[Soma-Sight]

It is a process of uniting you body (for having oneness) with the universe (Brahma), Universe is a creation!

Whats wrong with merging in Christ?

How do you reconcile this verse?

John 17:21 (New International Version)

21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
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