Religion and the Spirit of Anti-Christ

[donadams]

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

 

[Robert Pate]

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

All that have come to Christ as repentant sinners to be saved by him are given the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Christians guide and teacher, John 16:13. If you need religious instructions, it may be that you don't have the Holy Spirit.

 

[for_his_glory]

You’re still not understanding me.

I said when two Christians have a conflict and see two different meanings in scripture what should be done resolve the issues so both can know the truth?
Examples are Jn 3:5 spirit baptism or water baptism
Matt 16:18 Peter’s person or Peter’s confession

What do you mean “never be under a man’s teaching”?
I will respond to this below

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2Tim 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

The word of God needs no interpretations, but needs to be taught for what God has already had His Prophets and Apostles to write. Even Jesus never spoke or did anything outside of what God gave Him to speak and do, John 12:49-50. God does not recognize organized religions, but only knows His own by what spirit is living in their heart. There are two spirits one being error and the other being truth, which is the Holy Spirit.

We can give our views or our opinions in what we think the scriptures are saying and within that we can discuss rationally as adults and hopefully come into one mind of what the word of God is trying to teach us. Always keep in mind, do the words I speak to others line up with the word of God as we can be easily deceived by others, especially what our Pastor, Priest, Rabbi etc. etc. try to teach us if we do not study for ourselves.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[for_his_glory]

We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Yes, I agree all of us need to be taught, but what we are being taught must come by the Holy Spirit that will teach us all truths and works through those who are called of God and equipped in all God's righteousness and truth to teach us. We are to Spiritually discern that of what we are being taught so we will not be deceived, 1John 4:1-6.

As for the last part of your post I do not agree as we are to study to show ourself approved unto God, not man, 2Timothy2:14-16. This is why the Roman Catholic Church never allowed their congregation to own a Bible, even though many Catholics do today. They want to dictate to you that of what the Holy See allows the Priest to teach. Doctrines of man are noting more than doctrines of the devil causing others to fall away from truth.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, I agree all of us need to be taught, but what we are being taught must come by the Holy Spirit that will teach us all truths and works through those who are called of God and equipped in all God's righteousness and truth to teach us. We are to Spiritually discern that of what we are being taught so we will not be deceived, 1John 4:1-6.

As for the last part of your post I do not agree as we are to study to show ourself approved unto God, not man, 2Timothy2:14-16. This is why the Roman Catholic Church never allowed their congregation to own a Bible, even though many Catholics do today. They want to dictate to you that of what the Holy See allows the Priest to teach. Doctrines of man are noting more than doctrines of the devil causing others to fall away from truth.

Right. The Bible was written for the common man. No one needs a pastor or a priest to tell us what it is saying. If one is saved the Holy Spirit will reveal what the Bible is saying.

 

[for_his_glory]

Right. The Bible was written for the common man. No one needs a pastor or a priest to tell us what it is saying. If one is saved the Holy Spirit will reveal what the Bible is saying.

But, we also need to know that the Holy Spirit works through those who have been Spiritually equipped and anointed by the Holy Spirit to help us learn. That is why it is so important to test the spirits that are teaching us, 1John 4:1-6.

 

[donadams]

All that have come to Christ as repentant sinners to be saved by him are given the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Christians guide and teacher, John 16:13. If you need religious instructions, it may be that you don't have the Holy Spirit.

The HS guides the apostles/ bishops/ priests and they are to teach and sanctify the people Matt 28:19

 

[donadams]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2Tim 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

The word of God needs no interpretations, but needs to be taught for what God has already had His Prophets and Apostles to write. Even Jesus never spoke or did anything outside of what God gave Him to speak and do, John 12:49-50. God does not recognize organized religions, but only knows His own by what spirit is living in their heart. There are two spirits one being error and the other being truth, which is the Holy Spirit.

We can give our views or our opinions in what we think the scriptures are saying and within that we can discuss rationally as adults and hopefully come into one mind of what the word of God is trying to teach us. Always keep in mind, do the words I speak to others line up with the word of God as we can be easily deceived by others, especially what our Pastor, Priest, Rabbi etc. etc. try to teach us if we do not study for ourselves.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Only what the apostles wrote?
What did Andrew or Nathaniel write?
2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Also we must instructed!


We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

 

[donadams]

Yes, I agree all of us need to be taught, but what we are being taught must come by the Holy Spirit that will teach us all truths and works through those who are called of God and equipped in all God's righteousness and truth to teach us. We are to Spiritually discern that of what we are being taught so we will not be deceived, 1John 4:1-6.

As for the last part of your post I do not agree as we are to study to show ourself approved unto God, not man, 2Timothy2:14-16. This is why the Roman Catholic Church never allowed their congregation to own a Bible, even though many Catholics do today. They want to dictate to you that of what the Holy See allows the Priest to teach. Doctrines of man are noting more than doctrines of the devil causing others to fall away from truth.

2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Refers to a bishop

Bibles not banned only heretical bibles were banned and it really is irrelevant cos most people till the 20th century were illiterate and books were rare and expensive
Even with the printing press

So when the Bible was in English and the people could read they all became Protestant right?

You forgot they put everything in Latin so people could not read it right?

1/3 of the English language is Latin, many words are spelled and pronounced the same like “honor”
Latin is still the acceptable language of science and it was the language of the common people of Rome at the time of Christ, and since Christ and His church conquered the pagan Roman Empire it has been the language of holy mother church!

 

[Robert Pate]

The HS guides the apostles/ bishops/ priests and they are to teach and sanctify the people Matt 28:19

Under the New Covenant there is only one high priest, Jesus Christ.

 

[donadams]

Under the New Covenant there is only one high priest, Jesus Christ.

Yes we agree but He cannot be high priest without low priest?
The apostles / bishops and those who they ordain are low priests of the same order of melchisedec offering the same sacrifice

 

[for_his_glory]

Only what the apostles wrote?
What did Andrew or Nathaniel write?
2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Also we must instructed!


We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

I'm only talking about the writings of Matthew, Mark, John and Peter. I know there was the book of Thomas and possibly a few others that I do not know about, but for whatever reason only these four make up a few books of the NT.

Yes we are to be taught as no man is an island of their own, but only being taught by those who have the anointing of the Holy Spirit in whom God has called and Spiritually equipped to teach us only the doctrines of Christ and not man's doctrines of the various churches that are out there in the world. It is only the Holy Spirit that will teach us all things God wants us to learn either one on one as we study the scriptures in our private study time and by those who have more Spiritual knowledge then we do. We can all learn from each other if we allow the Holy Spirit do the teaching.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Apart from the Holy Spirit man can not teach us anything other then pushing the man made doctrines of their own church.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes we agree but He cannot be high priest without low priest?
The apostles / bishops and those who they ordain are low priests of the same order of melchisedec offering the same sacrifice

No man can ordain anyone or sanctify anyone as it all comes by God in who He calls to His ministry here on earth.

It's sad when only Catholics think they have all truths and that the Roman Catholic Church is the only the true church and everyone else are heretics. This is the spirit of antichrist who blinds the eyes of those who think they are wise, but are found to be foolish and prideful as they would rather follow a man's doctrine and practice the earthly rituals and traditions and ignore the doctrines of Christ. There are many Catholics that go to mass, but still do not agree with all the doctrines and rituals of the Catholic church.

Here is what scripture says about a royal priesthood as all who are of Christ own are a royal priesthood.

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Peter 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Here is God's order in His true church as I only used this part of the verse as the rest come after the first order.

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers

The office of bishops and elders are taught in the Bible, but I see nowhere where it mentions the word Pope or that he is to be called "Holy Father" in fact scripture says to call no man father.

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes we agree but He cannot be high priest without low priest?
The apostles / bishops and those who they ordain are low priests of the same order of melchisedec offering the same sacrifice

There are no low priest. Under the New Covenant Jesus is "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. There is only one high priest, and he is in heaven, Hebrews 7:8.

 

[donadams]

I'm only talking about the writings of Matthew, Mark, John and Peter. I know there was the book of Thomas and possibly a few others that I do not know about, but for whatever reason only these four make up a few books of the NT.

Yes we are to be taught as no man is an island of their own, but only being taught by those who have the anointing of the Holy Spirit in whom God has called and Spiritually equipped to teach us only the doctrines of Christ and not man's doctrines of the various churches that are out there in the world. It is only the Holy Spirit that will teach us all things God wants us to learn either one on one as we study the scriptures in our private study time and by those who have more Spiritual knowledge then we do. We can all learn from each other if we allow the Holy Spirit do the teaching.

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Apart from the Holy Spirit man can not teach us anything other then pushing the man made doctrines of their own church.

Yes of course they must teach the divine tradition revealed by Christ!
Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 Thee faith
Also Jn 15:5 applies
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20

Spiritual Fathers (apostles) have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

 

[donadams]

No man can ordain anyone or sanctify anyone as it all comes by God in who He calls to His ministry here on earth.

It's sad when only Catholics think they have all truths and that the Roman Catholic Church is the only the true church and everyone else are heretics. This is the spirit of antichrist who blinds the eyes of those who think they are wise, but are found to be foolish and prideful as they would rather follow a man's doctrine and practice the earthly rituals and traditions and ignore the doctrines of Christ. There are many Catholics that go to mass, but still do not agree with all the doctrines and rituals of the Catholic church.

Here is what scripture says about a royal priesthood as all who are of Christ own are a royal priesthood.

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Peter 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Here is God's order in His true church as I only used this part of the verse as the rest come after the first order.

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers

The office of bishops and elders are taught in the Bible, but I see nowhere where it mentions the word Pope or that he is to be called "Holy Father" in fact scripture says to call no man father.

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

In union with Christ Jn 15:5 by the HS Jn 16:13 they ordained bishops to succeed the apostles acts 1:15-26 Christ appointed apostles the apostles having the same authority ministry and power appoint apostles unto holy church to fulfill Matt 28:19 acts 1:8 until Christ returns Jn 20:21-23

 

[donadams]

No man can ordain anyone or sanctify anyone as it all comes by God in who He calls to His ministry here on earth.

It's sad when only Catholics think they have all truths and that the Roman Catholic Church is the only the true church and everyone else are heretics. This is the spirit of antichrist who blinds the eyes of those who think they are wise, but are found to be foolish and prideful as they would rather follow a man's doctrine and practice the earthly rituals and traditions and ignore the doctrines of Christ. There are many Catholics that go to mass, but still do not agree with all the doctrines and rituals of the Catholic church.

Here is what scripture says about a royal priesthood as all who are of Christ own are a royal priesthood.

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Peter 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Here is God's order in His true church as I only used this part of the verse as the rest come after the first order.

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers

The office of bishops and elders are taught in the Bible, but I see nowhere where it mentions the word Pope or that he is to be called "Holy Father" in fact scripture says to call no man father.

Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Royal priesthood of the believers not Christ and His apostles they are priests according to the Order of melchisedec

 

[Robert Pate]

The HS guides the apostles/ bishops/ priests and they are to teach and sanctify the people Matt 28:19

The church cannot do the work of the Holy Spirit as you believe.

 

[donadams]

There are no low priest. Under the New Covenant Jesus is "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. There is only one high priest, and he is in heaven, Hebrews 7:8.

I agree but a high has low priests under him

 

[for_his_glory]

In union with Christ Jn 15:5 by the HS Jn 16:13 they ordained bishops to succeed the apostles acts 1:15-26 Christ appointed apostles the apostles having the same authority ministry and power appoint apostles unto holy church to fulfill Matt 28:19 acts 1:8 until Christ returns Jn 20:21-23

I can agree with this as it is all by God's power and authority that He has given first to Christ and then the Apostles to go out into the world making more disciples of Christ as the Holy Spirit has set up the government of Christ true church, 1 Corinthians 12:28.

What is the holy church by your definition?