Religious right

[Kidron]

I've set my sights on the "real" enemies Bill, and they are not my neighbors or the Islamists.

Your real enemy is Lucifer and all enemies of the Cross.
And who are enemies of the Cross?
This would be anyone who does not believe that Jesus is the "only way" to God, or that Jesus is not "The Truth".
And once you sort out who your enemies are, you are to "love and pray for them" Matthew 5:44, so that they might escape their "blinded mind".

However, if there is a radical Palestinian (arab) male on a street near Jerusalem, and he is running at your mother with a long sharp knife so that he can stick it into and thru her carotid artery to please A'llah, then you are to take your handgun and shoot him in the face as many times as necessary, to protect your mother.
After that, if he is still alive, and if you speak his language, then go ahead and kneel down beside him and try to lead him to Christ, as there is no hope in A'llah.
That's how you handle that "enemy of the Cross", in Jerusalem, or anywhere else this type of 2-legged human cancer shows up with a plan.

 

[smaller]

Your real enemy is Lucifer and all enemies of the Cross.
And who are enemies of the Cross?
This would be anyone who does not believe that Jesus is the "only way" to God, or that Jesus is not "The Truth".
And once you sort out who your enemies are, you are to "love and pray for them" Matthew 5:44, so that they might escape their "blinded mind".

However, if there is a radical Palestinian (arab) male on a street near Jerusalem, and he is running at your mother with a long sharp knife so that he can stick it into and thru her carotid artery to please A'llah, then you are to take your handgun and shoot him in the face as many times as necessary, to protect your mother.
After that, if he is still alive, and if you speak his language, then go ahead and kneel down beside him and try to lead him to Christ, as there is no hope in A'llah.
That's how you handle that "enemy of the Cross", in Jerusalem, or anywhere else this type of 2-legged human cancer shows up with a plan.

It is quite futile to think that by killing PEOPLE we are having any effect on the "enemy" whatsoever. That is however how the governments see things.

That is NOT how we are to see.

We do not KILL our enemy by killing people. NOR did Jesus EVER make that command.

 

[smaller]

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

 

[smaller]

Your real enemy is Lucifer

And that's where my sights of enemies, stops.

We can rub out every unbelieving enemy on the planet and never TOUCH the "real culprit."

 

[Kidron]

It is quite futile to think that by killing PEOPLE we are having any effect on the "enemy" whatsoever. That is however how the governments see things.

Was i describing how to have "effect" on the enemy, or was i describing how you are to protect your mother from the enemy?
And then after protecting her, if you speak "arab", you might try to help the deceived nut job not end up in the Lake of Fire, if possible., as "A-llah", cant help him with that one.

 

[Kidron]

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

1st Timothy 5:8......"But if any believer provide not for his own , and specially for those of his own house , he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."""

So, take care of your mother, ""provide"" her and your kids with protection if some nutjobbie in the middle east tries to harm her while you are standing there.

 

[th1b.taylor]

To killing others in the Name of Jesus, yes. And they will remain so shut.

You might consider that it was in fact God who raised up Muslims as well.

Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

 

[smaller]

Bill, I quit buying government propaganda that turns other people into enemies long long ago.

We might consider that our own government played a part in religiously radicalizing people and splattering them all over the world.

They are also going to ship them in here as an excuse to finish up turning this place into even more of a Police State than it already is.

Enuf already.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill, I quit buying government propaganda that turns other people into enemies long long ago.

We might consider that our own government played a part in religiously radicalizing people and splattering them all over the world.

They are also going to ship them in here as an excuse to finish up turning this place into even more of a Police State than it already is.

Enuf already.

 

[OzSpen]

God set an example we are cowards to follow when He ordered Israel to purify the land. I will go out on a limb and will declare we are witnessing the stage being set for the Great Tribulation, seven years of Hell on earth with the present Islamic invasion that has spread over the entire planet. No, we must kill them all and we are cowards and will not so they are killing us.

Bill,

So are you advocating the murder of all Muslims by non-Muslims in every country in the world?

Oz

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If you are made the president of a country would you allow religious freedom (Islam particularly etc) if one does not exist at all.? Assume the country is newly created. What is your opinion as a Christian?

What do you do?
Take applications for citizenship?
Who makes the rules?
You?

This is a very unpractible make believe setting.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill,

So are you advocating the murder of all Muslims by non-Muslims in every country in the world?

Oz

Having fought the NVA and spent three days staged for a war with Russia in the sixties, I am familiar with killing people but no! Exterminate them in the US, Europe, Asia, Down Under and in Kiwi Land when they bow their backs up, yes! And I am not in opposition to deporting them to their homeland if they fail to assimilate, all ages. God said to cleanse the land and I see no reason to disobey.

Israel was not so advanced in the day but we do have that option today. And for better than thirteen hundred, going on fourteen hundred year the Muslim Thieves have planned to slaughter us... and that has not changed.

 

[smaller]

Exterminate them in the US, Europe, Asia, Down Under and in Kiwi Land when they bow their backs up, yes!

We have "laws" here against killing people Bill. And they would apply to Christians, Muslims and the non-religious in equal fashion.

I have learned this much about Muslims. NOT the radical Islamists, but Muslims in general. And "we" really DO have a LOT of things in common with them as Christians.

For example, they are against sin. Are you against sin?
They are against the devil. Are you against the devil?
They are against porn. Are you against porn?
They are for PRAYER. Are you for PRAYER?
Some of them are even against drinking alcohol, and ban it from being bought or sold in their countries, such as in Saudi Arabia. Are you now going to fall off their wagon and say you are FOR alcohol, and therefore they should be exterminated?

None of these positions are necessarily against CHRISTIAN understandings. You and I would probably BOTH be against radicalism. And I might speculate that the majority of Muslims are probably also against radicalism on many counts as well.

The difficulty that we WILL have with Muslims is in LEGALISM. And they are much better in being legalists than most Christians. I do not consider that a "threat." Legal people don't bother me much.

 

[th1b.taylor]

We have "laws" here against killing people Bill. And they would apply to Christians, Muslims and the non-religious in equal fashion.

I have learned this much about Muslims. NOT the radical Islamists, but Muslims in general. And "we" really DO have a LOT of things in common with them as Christians.

For example, they are against sin. Are you against sin?
They are against the devil. Are you against the devil?
They are against porn. Are you against porn?
They are for PRAYER. Are you for PRAYER?
Some of them are even against drinking alcohol, and ban it from being bought or sold in their countries, such as in Saudi Arabia. Are you now going to fall off their wagon and say you are FOR alcohol, and therefore they should be exterminated?

None of these positions are necessarily against CHRISTIAN understandings. You and I would probably BOTH be against radicalism. And I might speculate that the majority of Muslims are probably also against radicalism on many counts as well.

The difficulty that we WILL have with Muslims is in LEGALISM. And they are much better in being legalists than most Christians. I do not consider that a "threat." Legal people don't bother me much.

As I have asked of you in past posts, please do the research. And once more, begin with downloading the Qu'ran in a pdf or request a copy from CAIR and do the search for 164 Jihad verses. My answer to rhetorical questions, which, if (such a big word for only 2 letters) but if you have been paying attention, and you do read because you do, selectively, seek to belittle me, but the answer to all is yes, of course.

But not being a legalistic fool I do not seek to shove my opinions down others throats. The Muslim will either convert you, tax you until you starve to death or they will cut your throat. The individual you speak to might not wield the knife but every Islamic/Muslim believes in Jihad and must support it to please Allah.

You, like many, are shutting your eyes and that is a pleasantly as I can put that.

 

[OzSpen]

Having fought the NVA and spent three days staged for a war with Russia in the sixties, I am familiar with killing people but no! Exterminate them in the US, Europe, Asia, Down Under and in Kiwi Land when they bow their backs up, yes! And I am not in opposition to deporting them to their homeland if they fail to assimilate, all ages. God said to cleanse the land and I see no reason to disobey.

Israel was not so advanced in the day but we do have that option today. And for better than thirteen hundred, going on fourteen hundred year the Muslim Thieves have planned to slaughter us... and that has not changed.

Bill,

Your advocating 'exterminate' Muslims (do you mean murder?), when we are not at war, contravenes Matt 5:21 (NIV), 'You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, "You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment"'. Therefore, I could never ever advise, recommend or encourage Christians in any country to murder Muslims when they 'bow their backs up' (your language) or don't assimilate.

What is the Christian response to be? When Peter preached, he said that for Israel he was 'preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ' (Acts 10:36 ESV). Yes, there will be a division that the Gospel brings: 'Do not think that I have come to bring peace on the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword' (Matt 10:34 ESV). That's the consequence of the Gospel and not the consequence of Christians who bring the Gospel of peace through Jesus Christ who murder Muslims in countries where there is no official war.

What you seem to be advocating, in using the North Vietnamese Army as an example, is murder of Muslims who do not want to assimilate in any country. I strenuously reject such an affront to the Gospel of peace. We are called to evangelise them and minister humanitarian aid to them where possible (e.g. Matt 25:31-46 NLT).

As for your recommendation, 'God said to cleanse the land and I see no reason to disobey', I do wish you would engage in accurate biblical hermeneutics.

Ezekel 39:12-14 (NIV) states:

'12“For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13“Even all the people of the land will bury them; and it will be to their renown on the day that I glorify Myself,” declares the Lord GOD. 14“They will set apart men who will constantly pass through the land, burying those who were passing through, even those left on the surface of the ground, in order to cleanse it'.​

There is absolutely NOTHING in these verses that states that this 'cleanse the land' applies to all Christians. It was a requirement for 'the house of Israel' in the time of Ezekiel. It was for Israel and not for Christians.

Oz

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill,

Your advocating 'exterminate' Muslims (do you mean murder?), when we are not at war,

Oz,
the Muslim has been at war, a declared war, for better than 1300 years with us. They have been at war with, specifically the American people since July 4, 1776. The war did not end with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. I did not promote Genocide but I do mean exterminate the warring elements and I do firmly think God will not disapprove. the way your mind, with it's preconceived, erroneous, ideas.

I did and I do, just as I have heard on the news, that the Aussies are for, I also promoted the removal of all others that refuse to assimilate. I cannot get past the opening for the blatant errors that slap me silly in this post.

 

[OzSpen]

Oz,
the Muslim has been at war, a declared war, for better than 1300 years with us. They have been at war with, specifically the American people since July 4, 1776. The war did not end with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. I did not promote Genocide but I do mean exterminate the warring elements and I do firmly think God will not disapprove. the way your mind, with it's preconceived, erroneous, ideas.

I did and I do, just as I have heard on the news, that the Aussies are for, I also promoted the removal of all others that refuse to assimilate. I cannot get past the opening for the blatant errors that slap me silly in this post.

Bill,

You did not specifically address the issues I raised. Your last paragraph is incoherent. Please learn to communicate so that I understand you clearly. This language needs clarification:

• 'I did and I do';
• 'I have heard on the news, that the Aussies are for';
• 'I cannot get past the opening for the blatant errors';
• 'slap me silly in this post'.

Your statement, 'the Muslim has been at war, a declared war, for better than 1300 years', contravenes the facts here in Australia. There is no 'declared war' with armies fighting here in Australia. It's time to quit this extremist language.

Oz

 

[smaller]

As I have asked of you in past posts, please do the research.

I don't have to do anymore research to know that all of mankind, inclusive of ourselves, remain bound with sin in the flesh.

As witnesses of Christ, we are called to reach out to all, and not to kill.

And once more, begin with downloading the Qu'ran in a pdf or request a copy from CAIR and do the search for 164 Jihad verses.

When I witness to Muslims, and I have, I go to the ground that we agree on. It is but a small step from there to Christ.

So what if the Koran/(insert your favorite spelling) leaves short. It is an opening, nonetheless, because we will find agreement.

My answer to rhetorical questions, which, if (such a big word for only 2 letters) but if you have been paying attention, and you do read because you do, selectively, seek to belittle me, but the answer to all is yes, of course.

I don't belittle anyone Bill. I know where you are coming from, somewhat. I'll pick up a gun to defend my family/loved ones and country just as fast as you would, if needed. But that still didn't solve anything in the bigger picture.

But not being a legalistic fool I do not seek to shove my opinions down others throats. The Muslim will either convert you, tax you until you starve to death or they will cut your throat. The individual you speak to might not wield the knife but every Islamic/Muslim believes in Jihad and must support it to please Allah.

IF God in Christ is truly on our side, then we witness. He Works.

You, like many, are shutting your eyes and that is a pleasantly as I can put that.

Guns and swords don't solve our issues. Never have, never will.

 

[OzSpen]

I don't have to do anymore research to know that all of mankind, inclusive of ourselves, remain bound with sin in the flesh.

As witnesses of Christ, we are called to reach out to all, and not to kill.

When I witness to Muslims, and I have, I go to the ground that we agree on. It is but a small step from there to Christ.

So what if the Koran/(insert your favorite spelling) leaves short. It is an opening, nonetheless, because we will find agreement.

I don't belittle anyone Bill. I know where you are coming from, somewhat. I'll pick up a gun to defend my family/loved ones and country just as fast as you would, if needed. But that still didn't solve anything in the bigger picture.

IF God in Christ is truly on our side, then we witness. He Works.

Guns and swords don't solve our issues. Never have, never will.

smaller,

That is extremely well said. I support your emphasis enthusiastically.

The main difference for us in Australia is that we have stricter regulation than USA on fire arms ownership and use here. See: Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Australia

Oz

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill,

You did not specifically address the issues I raised. Your last paragraph is incoherent. Please learn to communicate so that I understand you clearly. This language needs clarification:

• 'I did and I do';
• 'I have heard on the news, that the Aussies are for';
• 'I cannot get past the opening for the blatant errors';
• 'slap me silly in this post'.

Your statement, 'the Muslim has been at war, a declared war, for better than 1300 years', contravenes the facts here in Australia. There is no 'declared war' with armies fighting here in Australia. It's time to quit this extremist language.

Oz

As I have repeatedly requested of Smaller, you must study them, they are different, more different than almost all believe. And their form of warfare (Jihad) begins nothing like you are imagining. You are at war for the lives of your offspring, even if you never admit it.

About the second paragraph and the, somewhat, huffy retort, even with the damage Multiple Sclerosis has done to my brain, I can still use context. I do not need to learn coherent speech as you have, rudely suggested. The issue is one of conversational context and I do not have an issue with it.