Repetition in prayer

[thessalonian]

Paul was accountable to the Apostles in Jerusalem according to the book of Acts.

No he wasn't. This is not what is said in the book of Acts.

Acts 15 a prime example where Paul brings his teachings before the Church.

Paul constantly delivered the full gospel of God as it was given to him by God to the church.

The church was not just those believers in Jerusalem, they simply made up a local expression of the one universal church.

Paul in fact had be taking his gospel before the church for some years long before the local church in Jerusalem heard it.

Thus I believe Paul most certainly preach the same Gospel as the Apostles.

Paul preached far more than that which the first apostles preached.

Fact is, they did not have the revelation that Paul had been given.

I also believe Paul followed Jesus Christ and heard many of His teachings. It is quite possible Paul was the "rich young man" that queried Jesus in saying "good master".

This is how old wives tales get started, eventually becoming some for of false doctrine of the apostate institutions.

In love,
cj

Are you trying to say that Paul preached a different Gospel that the others? Sure hope not. Did Paul have everything they had? How can you tell Paul preached more? We don't have writings from the majority of the other Apostles. I don't know, your post is sounding like Paul veneration to me.

 

[Vic C.]

Are you trying to say that Paul preached a different Gospel that the others? Sure hope not. Did Paul have everything they had? How can you tell Paul preached more? We don't have writings from the majority of the other Apostles. I don't know, your post is sounding like Paul veneration to me

It may not be a different Gospel, but Paul clearly tells us it is his Gospel.

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

 

[thessalonian]

Are you trying to say that Paul preached a different Gospel that the others? Sure hope not. Did Paul have everything they had? How can you tell Paul preached more? We don't have writings from the majority of the other Apostles. I don't know, your post is sounding like Paul veneration to me

It may not be a different Gospel, but Paul clearly tells us it is his Gospel.

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Is it your gospel as well? I would hope so. Does that not make it Peter's Gospel or Matthews Gospel. By the way since Protestants have wide and varying opinions on things, I would like to hear cj's answer.

 

[Vic C.]

Is it your gospel as well? I would hope so. Does that not make it Peter's Gospel or Matthews Gospel. By the way since Protestants have wide and varying opinions on things, I would like to hear cj's answer.

Are you sure you want that? 8-)

The ONLY point I was trying to make was Paul was the only one who actually called it his Gospel. Even Jesus referred to it as the Gospel, or that Gospel and it is HIS Gospel! I don't go around saying it's my Gospel. The words "My Gospel" appear three times in the NT (KJ) I referenced all three.

Please, let's not argue for the sake of argument. I'm tired. :o


8-)

 

[thessalonian]

My point is we need to make it our Gospel. We need to make ourselves a living part of it. That I think is why Paul called it "my Gospel".

 

[Vic C.]

My point is we need to make it our Gospel. We need to make ourselves a living part of it. That I think is why Paul called it "my Gospel".

An interesting point. So while we think about, I'm going to do some investigating on this as a sidebar. 8-)

 

[cj]

My point is we need to make it our Gospel. We need to make ourselves a living part of it. That I think is why Paul called it "my Gospel".

An interesting point. So while we think about, I'm going to do some investigating on this as a sidebar. 8-)

Vic, Paul and the other apostles were not just ministering the gospel in word but actually became the gospel itself in living and being.

Jesus not only spoke the gospel, Jesus is the gospel of God. And the more each of us becomes Jesus, in life and nature, the more the gospel is expressed on this earth.

Remember, Paul said that the gospel can be preached by those who have the wrong motive (from an impure heart).

Preaching the gospel is not the highest peak of God's divine revelation to us, living the gospel is.

Consider this phrase.... living epistles.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

I don't know, your post is sounding like Paul veneration to me.

Allow me to respond to this first.

After all that I've said on these boards, is this really the sense that you get when you turn to your spirit? That I would venerate someone other than the Lord?

No,.... but I certainly regard the apostle of God highly. And rightly so, as the scriptures tell us to.

Are you trying to say that Paul preached a different Gospel that the others? Sure hope not.

Again no,.... Paul's revelation went further than the others...... at the time Paul received it.

But, as Paul dispense what he had received, those who received it came up to the level of Paul's revelation.

The same can be said concerning John's revelation, written twenty years after most of the original apostles had died. Just by this physical fact we can know that John received more revelation about the Lord than the others.

This in no way discounts anyone, it simpel is the way God chose to dispense His riches to us.

So again, no Paul preached the same gospel, but preached it more deeply.

Consider the OT, isn't it proven that Jesus Christ is spoken of all over the OT scriptures, yet the Jews who knew these scriptures inside out did not know the Reality of them when He appeared to these Jews.

Did Paul have everything they had?

Everything and more,.... in revelation, and as an issue of this revelation, more in life.

But we all in essence have Christ, and He is everything.

How can you tell Paul preached more? We don't have writings from the majority of the other Apostles.

Exactly.

I'm saying nothing,..... just allowing the bible God gave us to tell me.

Paul's epistles are the majority of the NT. This must be for a reason.

But don't concern yourself about the "more or less" aspect, as this is nothing. One word from Jesus can overide ten thousand words of all men.

What matters is not quantity but content.

Just like the church, God does not care for quantity, but the content. He'll take 300 mature soldiers over three thousand immature ones every day.

I don't know, your post is sounding like Paul veneration to me.

Read Peter's epistles and then tell me what Peter had to say about Paul and his ministry.


In love,
cj

 

[Steve]

The Orthodox are great practicioners of repetitious prayer. My favourite example is during Matins(Morning Prayer) when the chanter(dyak) chants 'Lord have mercy'(Hospodi, pomiluj) 40 times at breakneck speed.
Then there is another place where it is chanted 12 times at breakneck speed.

Then there is the multitudinous litanies that go on forever and ever unto the ages of ages.

Most people mindlessly give the responses without a thought.

Such 'praying' is in vain, IMO. That was NOT a fatwa, precious Orthodoxim, just my OPINION.

Lest I forget all about my Roman Catholic brethren and sistern, the rosary is a prime example of mindless repetition. One is supposed to pray 10 H.M.'s in one decade, while meditating on one of the Mysteries. can't do both. Concentrate on prayer OR the mystery. The first part of the Hail Mary is Scriptural. The second part is an add-on, placed there many centuries later. It is not Scriptural.

 

[thessalonian]

Most people mindlessly give the responses without a thought.

Hey, how did you do that. That's pretty good. Can you teach me. That is tell that they did not have a thought? :-?

 

[thessalonian]

CJ,

With regard to your comments toward Vic. We agree for a change. MY LONG LOST BROTHER!!!!! I love ya man. :smt022 BIG HUGGGG!!! :-D

 

[Steve]

Most people mindlessly give the responses without a thought.

Hey, how did you do that. That's pretty good. Can you teach me. That is tell that they did not have a thought? :-?

Well....for example, the Rosary. You can't do both. You have to meditate on the mystery OR concentrate on the prayer. You can't do both.

All I used to do is stand(no pews) in church and wonder, 'Oy, will this EVER end?' And listening to 40 Lord Have Mercy's at breakneck speed, I used to think, 'Gawd, how silly.'

 

[Orthodox Christian]

All I used to do is stand(no pews) in church and wonder, 'Oy, will this EVER end?' And listening to 40 Lord Have Mercy's at breakneck speed, I used to think, 'Gawd, how silly.'

When I watch 200 people jammed into a carpeted room sing praise choruses repeatedly, I think "look at the glorious revolution they have wrought; before it was 'Lord, have mercy,' and now it is is 'Jesus fill me up.'"

Everyone repeats themselves, it's simply a question as to how worthy is that which they have to say.

All I used to do is stand(no pews) in church and wonder, 'Oy, will this EVER end?' And listening to 40 Lord Have Mercy's at breakneck speed, I used to think, 'Gawd, how silly.'

O give thanks unto the LORD; for [he is] good: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy [endureth] for ever
O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.
To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.

Silly, silly bible- this business goes on for 26 verses. When will it ever end?

 

[thessalonian]

Most people mindlessly give the responses without a thought.

Hey, how did you do that. That's pretty good. Can you teach me. That is tell that they did not have a thought? :-?

Well....for example, the Rosary. You can't do both. You have to meditate on the mystery OR concentrate on the prayer. You can't do both.
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Ah, the old sliding arguement. I thought you said "they did not even have a throught.". Now you say they did but the thoughts had to be one thing or the other. So how do you judge that the thoughts are vain, STEVO! If you sat in Mass and said "[vilolate a commandment of God] how silly" it's no wonder you are where you are at, taking a commandment of God so lightly. You can't even keep your arguements straight. I was on jury duty last spring and the easiest way to see who was not telling the truth was to find the one who couldn't keep their story straight.

 

[Steve]

Oy Vay :roll:

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Oy Vay :roll:

Don't it suck to have your weak lay-ups rejected into the cheap seats?

Don't it?
Don't it?
:

All ball

 

[Steve]

Hospodi, pomiluj.

 

[Steve]

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[Orthodox Christian]

Hospodi pomiluj Hospodi pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj Hospodi Pomiluj

I'll take that as a "yes."

 

[thessalonian]

That's what I'm thinkin he's sayin. :-D