Right and Wrong

[ezrider]

Watching and hearing much of the political gymnastics being performed following the death of RGB and the effort to fill the Supreme Court Justice seat within weeks of the election got me thinking...... Does the law define what is right and wrong?

Hypocrisy. Woe unto thee, hypocrites! Jesus seemed to have a problem with hypocrisy; but where is the commandment against hypocrisy? Can we agree that hypocrisy wrong?

Does hypocrisy stem from what can be technically argued, trying to justify ones actions before the law as being legal and just? Or does hypocrisy stem from the manner in which one applies those laws entrusted to them?

 

[Who Me]

Does the law define what is right and wrong?

Which law are you referring to?

The ten commandments do tell us what is right and wrong behaviour and Jesus in the sermon on the mount showed that it applies to our attitude as well as action.

 

[Truthfrees]

Watching and hearing much of the political gymnastics being performed following the death of RGB and the effort to fill the Supreme Court Justice seat within weeks of the election got me thinking...... Does the law define what is right and wrong?

Hypocrisy. Woe unto thee, hypocrites! Jesus seemed to have a problem with hypocrisy; but where is the commandment against hypocrisy? Can we agree that hypocrisy wrong?

Does hypocrisy stem from what can be technically argued, trying to justify ones actions before the law as being legal and just? Or does hypocrisy stem from the manner in which one applies those laws entrusted to them?

hypocrites usually twist laws to serve themselves - hypocrites usually care for no one but themselves - hypocrites also accuse others of the things they themselves do - they are usually mean and legalistic toward others but extremely lenient to themselves - best to stay away from hypocrites and avoid harm

 

[stovebolts]

hypocrites usually twist laws to serve themselves - hypocrites usually care for no one but themselves - hypocrites also accuse others of the things they themselves do - they are usually mean and legalistic toward others but extremely lenient to themselves - best to stay away from hypocrites and avoid harm

Very well said. I would also add that they expect from others what they themselves are unwilling to do.

 

[Randy]

Watching and hearing much of the political gymnastics being performed following the death of RGB and the effort to fill the Supreme Court Justice seat within weeks of the election got me thinking...... Does the law define what is right and wrong?

Hypocrisy. Woe unto thee, hypocrites! Jesus seemed to have a problem with hypocrisy; but where is the commandment against hypocrisy? Can we agree that hypocrisy wrong?

Does hypocrisy stem from what can be technically argued, trying to justify ones actions before the law as being legal and just? Or does hypocrisy stem from the manner in which one applies those laws entrusted to them?

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

History will show in any religion when church and state are fused Hypocrisy reigns.
Clearly in the world Jesus walked the law had become more important then justice, mercy and faithfulness. They accused Him about the sabbath when He did good by healing the sick. Yet Jesus stated to them if their lamb fell into a pit on the sabbath would they not pull it out. So the strictness they applied to others they did not apply to themselves. Hypocrisy.

To some religion is Torah, Torah, Torah. That was not Jesus's message as He taught-grace, love, mercy, faithfulness, making righteous judgments.

The fault God found wasn't in His law but in the hearts of the people.

 

[stovebolts]

To some religion is Torah, Torah, Torah. That was not Jesus's message as He taught-grace, love, mercy, faithfulness, making righteous judgments.

The fault God found wasn't in His law but in the hearts of the people.

John 5:46
English Standard Version
For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me.

We know that Moses wrote the Torah. I agree with you that the problem was with the heart of man.

I used to wonder what shaped the Pharisees, but it is easy to see when you start to look at their culture, history and understanding of Torah.

Deuteronomy 28 speaks of blessings and curses. Obey and you are blessed. Disobey and you are cursed. Harod, a half Jew as King that was not from the line of Judah who desecrated the Temple along with Rome who occupied Israel, certainly this was because the Jews were being cursed for not keeping Torah. In their zeal to keep God's law, they lost the ability to discern God's heart in the matter.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Watching and hearing much of the political gymnastics being performed following the death of RGB and the effort to fill the Supreme Court Justice seat within weeks of the election got me thinking...... Does the law define what is right and wrong?

Hypocrisy. Woe unto thee, hypocrites! Jesus seemed to have a problem with hypocrisy; but where is the commandment against hypocrisy? Can we agree that hypocrisy wrong?

Does hypocrisy stem from what can be technically argued, trying to justify ones actions before the law as being legal and just? Or does hypocrisy stem from the manner in which one applies those laws entrusted to them?

Hypocrisy comes from the heart.

Luke 11:39 Then the Lord said to him, "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness.

It comes from intent.

 

[ezrider]

Which law are you referring to?

The ten commandments do tell us what is right and wrong behaviour and Jesus in the sermon on the mount showed that it applies to our attitude as well as action.

"The ten commandments do tell us what is right and wrong behaviour"

I think we all would agree that hypocrisy, and especially blatant hypocrisy is wrong. But where is the law that says thou shalt not be a hypocrite? If the ten commandment and the law define what is right and wrong, then why isn't hypocrisy mentioned among those laws?

 

[ezrider]

hypocrites usually twist laws to serve themselves - hypocrites usually care for no one but themselves - hypocrites also accuse others of the things they themselves do - they are usually mean and legalistic toward others but extremely lenient to themselves - best to stay away from hypocrites and avoid harm

So then we should not support or trust those senators who refused to hold hearings for months on a SC Justice 4 years ago because it was an election year, but now want to hold hearings on another one mere weeks before the election? Are not these actions of blatant hypocrisy? As a Christian, wouldn't it be better to be seen as not supporting such hypocrisy? Or is trying to stack the courts more important than the blatant hypocrisy?

 

[ezrider]

In their zeal to keep God's law, they lost the ability to discern God's heart in the matter.

Very well said. Can we say the same thing of today? Is there such a zealousness to try and enforce God's law by challenging the constitutionality to abortion or gay marriage laws, that they have lost the ability to discern God's heart in the matter? Has this zealousness led them to accepting and even justifying the blatant hypocrisy of their leaders? Have they themselves become as James said?

James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

 

[WIP]

"The ten commandments do tell us what is right and wrong behaviour"

I think we all would agree that hypocrisy, and especially blatant hypocrisy is wrong. But where is the law that says thou shalt not be a hypocrite? If the ten commandment and the law define what is right and wrong, then why isn't hypocrisy mentioned among those laws?

Isn't hypocrisy in contrast to the law?

 

[WIP]

So then we should not support or trust those senators who refused to hold hearings for months on a SC Justice 4 years ago because it was an election year, but now want to hold hearings on another one mere weeks before the election? Are not these actions of blatant hypocrisy? As a Christian, wouldn't it be better to be seen as not supporting such hypocrisy? Or is trying to stack the courts more important than the blatant hypocrisy?

People talk as though the president has only until November to make his appointment. Doesn't he have until January 20th when his term is officially done, assuming he is not re-elected of course?

 

[JLB]

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People talk as though the president has only until November to make his appointment. Doesn't he have until January 20th when his term is officially done, assuming he is not re-elected of course?

Makes sense. However the big push is having a complete Supreme Court in place that can decide the outcome of an election that has been clouded with obscure laws and improper voting practices if the election is in question.


JLB

 

[WIP]

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Makes sense. However the big push is having a complete Supreme Court in place that can decide the outcome of an election that has been clouded with obscure laws and improper voting practices if the election is in question.


JLB

Does the Supreme Court get involved at some point? I'm not sure of the laws in this regard. It also makes sense to appoint a replacement promptly so that the court can't get into a stalemate situation if cases are brought forth. That's why we have an odd number of justices.

 

[JLB]

Does the Supreme Court get involved at some point? I'm not sure of the laws in this regard. It also makes sense to appoint a replacement promptly so that the court can't get into a stalemate situation if cases are brought forth. That's why we have an odd number of justices.

If Biden loses then the Democrats have vowed to have an army of lawyers contest the election all the way to the Supreme Court.

 

[ezrider]

Makes sense. However the big push is having a complete Supreme Court in place that can decide the outcome of an election that has been clouded with obscure laws and improper voting practices if the election is in question.

Does the Supreme Court get involved at some point? I'm not sure of the laws in this regard. It also makes sense to appoint a replacement promptly so that the court can't get into a stalemate situation if cases are brought forth. That's why we have an odd number of justices.

Is not this line of reasoning hypocritical in and of itself? I mean four years ago the Republicans had absolutely no problems or concerns going into the election with only 8 Justices on the SC; And that was with the court spilt ideologically 4-4. Why the sudden urgency to seat new a Justice now under the exact same circumstances when the conservatives already hold the ideological advantage at 5-3 currently?

 

[ezrider]

Isn't hypocrisy in contrast to the law?

What do you mean by being in contrast to the law? Not sure I understand your question.

 

[ezrider]

If Biden loses then the Democrats have vowed to have an army of lawyers contest the election all the way to the Supreme Court.

And if Biden should win, what then?

 

[JLB]

Is not this line of reasoning hypocritical in and of itself? I mean four years ago the Republicans had absolutely no problems or concerns going into the election with only 8 Justices on the SC; And that was with the court spilt ideologically 4-4. Why the sudden urgency to seat new a Justice now under the exact same circumstances when the conservatives already hold the ideological advantage at 5-3 currently?

Because 4 years ago the Democrats did in fact move forward with replacing the Judge.


Now that they have shown their intention, it’s the Republicans turn to fill the seat.



JLB

 

[JLB]

And if Biden should win, what then?

If it’s fair then Trump will have to step down.


Who would vote for Biden?

JLB