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Righteousness

  • Thread starter TruthSeeker2012
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francisdesales said:
I guess that makes you the center of the universe...



Where exactly did I say this? Where did I IMPLY it? Are you addressing me? I have not said that my own acts of anything earns salvation!!!

My freakin signature line (which I chose, thanks) states the opposite, yet people keep up with the false accusations... :confused:

What is up with some people here? Can't they read or what? I have been accused of this by 4 or 5 different people - but not a single one can point to a phrase uttered that shows I believe this.

I have explicitly denied that we earn salvation by ANYTHING we do, love, faith, ANYTHING.

My signature line states otherwise. I deny it over and over again.

But this keeps coming up... I am not sure why.
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Redundacy.
 
childeye said:
Yes I do find sin unreasonable. But it is not conjecture that the Christ is the True Image of the invisible God sent to man that we might believe and know Him.
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Look mystic. Your question is "am I guilty of Jesus' crucifixion"? No. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. The express image of the Living God which you are not. Even if you do believe God and know him, which you don't, you would have not asked me such a rediculious question in the first place. If it only took sending Jesus for you to know God. That's all there is. However for you to be transformed by God into the image Jesus is, one with God, there is the small matter of contention God has about his son's crucifixion.
 
=Theodore A. Jones;574098]Look mystic. Your question is "am I guilty of Jesus' crucifixion"?
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I believe you are mistaken. My post in this thread was:
Righteousness is trusting in a Holy God and all that that entails. One must come to know God for that to happen in all sincerity. I never asked you that question. That question was from another post and that is not even an accurate account of that question either. After reading your posts, I asked if you thought we were all guilty of crucifying the Christ? I had been left with the impression that you might believe that. Some people do you know?

However for you to be transformed by God into the image Jesus is, one with God, there is the small matter of contention God has about his son's crucifixion.
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So you say this. Can you explain what I should contend with God about regarding His son's crucifixion?
 
TruthSeeker2012 said:
I have some questions for everyone. These questions separate the false teachers of legalism and "bewitching" doctrine that Paul rebuked in Galatians 3, from the true teachers of salvation of grace:

1. Who is righteous?

2. How did they become righteous?

3. What do they need to do and/or believe in, to remain righteous and to be accepted by God and saved?
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1. They who do what is right in God's eyes.

2. God declares them so.

3. Remain humble and faithful.
 
francisdesales said:
Go figure...
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In both Protestantism and RCism there is the constant redundancy of guilt.
"What are all those cattle doing lowing back there?" the display by fact of a direct disobedience. "What are all these idols doing hanging in your church house?"
and on the other hand:
"Why we Prostestants are so much better off than those Catholics. Jesus has died in place of us, all our sins are forgiven, and everything is peachey." But the man who was crucified says "When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin." after his crucifixion. Of the two which is the better off? Has either obtained righteousness? Evidence by fact demands a verdict.
 
childeye said:
Great answers. One question, how does one know what is right in God's eyes without knowing God?
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Exactly! The righteous can intuit what is right before God. In this way they could be seen as knowing His voice over all the other voices that seek to block Him out.
 
Adullam said:
1. They who do what is right in God's eyes.

2. God declares them so.

3. Remain humble and faithful.
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1. What is "doing right" in God's eyes? Having faith or being obedient? Are you perfectly obedient? Yes or No?

2. Why does God declare them so? Based on their faith OR works OR both?

3. Do you continuously remain humble and never struggle with pride?

4. What is your interpretation of the following verse?

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 
Adullam said:
Exactly! The righteous can intuit what is right before God. In this way they could be seen as knowing His voice over all the other voices that seek to block Him out.
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Yes that is what scripture confirms as well, one must have the Word of God speaking in their heart to recognize the Word come in the flesh. I find all Truth can basically be ascertained in the belief that the eternal Spirit that Is God is none other than the Love that compels us toward compassion for our fellow man.
 
Theodore A. Jones said:
In both Protestantism and RCism there is the constant redundancy of guilt.
"What are all those cattle doing lowing back there?" the display by fact of a direct disobedience. "What are all these idols doing hanging in your church house?"
and on the other hand:
"Why we Prostestants are so much better off than those Catholics. Jesus has died in place of us, all our sins are forgiven, and everything is peachey." But the man who was crucified says "When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin." after his crucifixion. Of the two which is the better off? Has either obtained righteousness? Evidence by fact demands a verdict.
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I'm afraid you lost me on the point, (I am presuming your responding to why you insist on thinking I believe in works salvation, even though I deny it over and over again and the Catechism denies it as well...) so rather than guess, I'll await some clarification.

Regards
 
francisdesales said:
I'm afraid you lost me on the point, (I am presuming your responding to why you insist on thinking I believe in works salvation, even though I deny it over and over again and the Catechism denies it as well...) so rather than guess, I'll await some clarification.

Regards
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Francis, I didn't know you denied salvation through some works. So just so there is no misunderstanding and just so I have complete clarity, can you please answer me this following question:

Can a person be saved by faith alone, and declared "righteous", if they never produce any works? yes or no?
 
TruthSeeker

In accord with your proposition for debate and my acceptanceof the same, I have forwarded our desire for debate with one of our moderaters. I look forward to an honest, sincere and scriptural disscussion with you.
 
Webb said:
TruthSeeker

In accord with your proposition for debate and my acceptanceof the same, I have forwarded our desire for debate with one of our moderaters. I look forward to an honest, sincere and scriptural disscussion with you.
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Well, while I wait for Francis to reply..what about you?

Can a person be saved by faith alone, and declared "righteous", if they never produce any works? yes or no?
 
Adullam said:
Exactly! The righteous can intuit what is right before God. In this way they could be seen as knowing His voice over all the other voices that seek to block Him out.
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There are many voices that try to block Him out. And is this voice of God the piece of Him that is the honest to God me?
 
Theodore A. Jones said:
Look mystic. Your question is "am I guilty of Jesus' crucifixion"? No. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. The express image of the Living God which you are not. Even if you do believe God and know him, which you don't, you would have not asked me such a rediculious question in the first place. If it only took sending Jesus for you to know God. That's all there is. However for you to be transformed by God into the image Jesus is, one with God, there is the small matter of contention God has about his son's crucifixion.
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You ask if your guilty of Jesus crucifiction, the answer is YES, we all are. Why, because we're sinners and Christ came to earth to die for each and everyone of us. So are you and I guilty? YES...
 
Grubal Muruch said:
You ask if your guilty of Jesus crucifiction, the answer is YES, we all are. Why, because we're sinners and Christ came to earth to die for each and everyone of us. So are you and I guilty? YES...
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The question was asked by "childeye" on the subject "What is the significance of the Lord's table". I did not ask that question. But Grubal your answer is not correct.
It is not guilty of Jesus' crucifixion instead it is guilty BY Jesus' crucifixion. That we are sinners is irrelevant. In no case is the crucifixion of Jesus a direct benefit for any person.
 
Theodore A. Jones said:
The question was asked by "childeye" on the subject "What is the significance of the Lord's table". I did not ask that question. But Grubal your answer is not correct.
It is not guilty of Jesus' crucifixion instead it is guilty BY Jesus' crucifixion. That we are sinners is irrelevant. In no case is the crucifixion of Jesus a direct benefit for any person.
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With all due respect, you are mistaken. Jesus came to earth to die (pay for) for the sins of mankind. Who among'st us can say that we are exempt from this grouping? If Adam had not sinned (originally) Christ would not have to come to earth to pay the price for OUR sins. We all stand guilty. Our sins we're individually taken care of at the cross. My apologies for mistaking you for someone else...
 
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