Roman Catholic Church Catechism English Translation 1994

[bibleberean]

Roman Catholics can't read and interpret scripture for themselves.

Even though Jesus holds all individuals accountable for not believing all the scriptures.

Roman antichrist states:

"But the task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone." (Vol. 1, p. 755)

"But by divine institution it is the exclusive task of these pastors alone, the successors of Peter and the other Apostles, to teach the faithful authentically, that is with the authority of Christ ...." (Vol. 2, p. 430)

The true Christ states:

Jesus told the two on the road to Emmaus:

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Jesus rebuked people for not understanding the scriptures.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Paul states that all scripture is given by inspiration of God and that a man of God can be perfect and throughly equipped to do God's work by them.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Psalms 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

Catholics on the other hand must surrender their reason and listen to the pope (antichrist)

Vatican II

"We believe in the infallibility enjoyed by the Successor of Peter when he speaks ex cathedra as shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, an infallibility which the whole Episcopate also enjoys when it exercises with him the supreme magisterium." (Vol. 2, p. 392)

Check your minds at the door!

Vatican II

"This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given, in a special way, to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and that one sincerely adhere to decisions made by him, conformably with his manifest mind and intention ...." (Vol. 1, p. 379)

In short the Catholic church is the worlds largest cult. It blindly follows the traditions of it's antichrist leadership even when the traditions and teachings are contrary to scripture...

Vatican II

"Hence, both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal feelings of devotion and reverence." (Vol. 1, page 755)

"But the task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone." (Vol. 1, p. 755)

Even though Vatican II states that Scripture and Tradition must be accepted... it places one above the other....

Tradition

scripture

This is a good forum for evaluating the teachings of the false Roman Catholic church.

After all this is "Christianity and Other Religions" forum.

And Catholcism is not Christian but another religion like the Mormons or JW's.

 

[stray bullet]

Roman Catholics can't read and interpret scripture for themselves.

That's just wrong. The Catholic Church not only allows the faithful to read scripture, but promotes it. We read from the Old Testament, the Gospels and the New Testaments, in our native tongue, every Sunday- so don't give me that.
The only thing we can't do is pervert scripture for our own selfish aims.

Even though Jesus holds all individuals accountable for not believing all the scriptures.

Jesus wasn't even around when the scriptures were written, so you have no basis for such a statement. Not only that, Jesus didn't even command the NT to be written, with the exception of Revelation.

"But the task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone." (Vol. 1, p. 755)

That's true- developing doctrine is the responsibility of the apostles, not the laymen. You have no authority to interpret scripture and teach it. You are not an apostle, they are.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Jesus rebuked people for not understanding the scriptures.

Where did he rebuke the average Jew or Gentile for not interpreting the Old Testament?
I indeed understand the scripture. However, because I am not an apostle, I have no authority to pervert it and teach perversions of it.

Catholics on the other hand must surrender their reason and listen to the pope (antichrist)

Any man can read the bible and form his opinions without reason. It is understand the teachings of the apostles and not warping them for your benefit that requires reason.
Catholicism isn't the surrendering of reason, it is the beginning of it.

Vatican II

"We believe in the infallibility enjoyed by the Successor of Peter when he speaks ex cathedra as shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, an infallibility which the whole Episcopate also enjoys when it exercises with him the supreme magisterium." (Vol. 2, p. 392)

Check your minds at the door!

The apostles have the ability to teach clearly and infallibly on matters of faith. Do you deny this?
The Pope, the modern apostolic successor of Peter, does have the ability to teach.

And Catholcism is not Christian but another religion like the Mormons or JW's.

Catholicism is the fullness of Christianity. All denominations of Christians broke off from Catholicism- Orthodox, Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, Pentacostals.

Who founded your Church? A mere man!
Jesus Christ founded my Church. He rest His Church on the firm foundation of Peter, the first Pope.

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." - Matthew 16:18

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
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St. Fabian (236-50)
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St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) -- also called Gaius
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St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
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[bibleberean]

The Popes are not apostles... They are false apostles and deceitful workers.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Every word of the New Testament was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus commanded that these things be written.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

The words are now written...

John said...

1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

I refuse to be seduced by unbiblical RCC teachings.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The Popes are liars and deceivers...


UNAM SANCTAM
Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

URGED BY FAITH, WE ARE OBLIGED TO BELIEVE AND TO MAINTAIN THAT THE CHURCH IS ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, AND ALSO APOSTOLIC. WE BELIEVE IN HER FIRMLY AND WE CONFESS WITH SIMPLICITY THAT OUTSIDE OF HER THERE IS NEITHER SALVATION NOR THE REMISSION OF SINS,

FURTHERMORE, WE DECLARE, WE PROCLAIM, WE DEFINE THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR SALVATION THAT EVERY HUMAN CREATURE BE SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF.

Salvation in the church and in the Pope?

I can only find salvation in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the NAME OF JESUS, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.

It is not necessary for salvation to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. The Pope is an anti-christ!

AN'TI, n. [Gr. See Ante.]

in place of.
Webster's 1828 Dictionary

Antichrist.

In place of Christ...


"[W]e hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."

--POPE LEO XIII

THE GREAT ENCYCLICAL LETTERS OF POPE LEO XIII
p. 304, Benziger Brothers (1903)

VIC'AR, n. [L. vicarius, from vicis]
a substitute in office.
Webster's 1828 Dictionary

Vicar of Christ.
A substitute Christ...

"For the Roman pontiff (pope), by reason of his office as VICAR OF CHRIST, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal POWER over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise UNHINDERED."

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1994, P. 254 #882

Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

The office of Pope is not in the bible. It is an office created for the many antichrists...

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

[thessalonian]

Bibleberean,

We don't say the Popes are apostles. Since your such an expert on Catechisms and councils, show it or accept the fact that you distort and decieve people with regard to what the Catholic Church teaches. Further you abuse scripture. Can you imagine anyone in 33 AD using those verses against the Catholic Church? My guess is you don't even believe there was a Catholic Church then, since you likely believe it started with Constantine. So it seems you abuse scripture for "base gain". Of course to apply those verses as you do you have the conundrum that you have to give creedence to our believe that the Catholic Church was there when the Apostles walked the earth.

This definition from dictionary.com better exemplifies what a vicar is in the Catholic Church.

Vicar
Roman Catholic Church. - A priest who acts for or represents another, often higher-ranking member of the clergy.

The Pope represents Christ. He does not replace Christ. That is silly. In the Old Testament we see the office of the Steward which is essentially what the Papacy is. It was an office where the Steward spoke for the king as his representative, if you look in 2 Kings 18 where Eliakim goes out to meet the Assryian Army General as spokesman for King Hezekiah. Interestingly enough Christ parrellels Eliakims taking over the role of steward (an office in the Davidic Kingdom of which Christ came to establish anew) in Is 22:22 with Peter's recieving of the keys of the kingdom (likely from the Jewish authorities) in matt 16:18-19.

Blessings

 

[bibleberean]

"The apostles have the ability to teach clearly and infallibly on matters of faith. Do you deny this?
The Pope, the modern apostolic successor of Peter, does have the ability to teach. "

I was responding to that statement.

:smt015

 

[thessalonian]

"The apostles have the ability to teach clearly and infallibly on matters of faith. Do you deny this?
The Pope, the modern apostolic successor of Peter, does have the ability to teach. "

I was responding to that statement.

:smt015

He is successor of Peter but not an apostle. He is successor to Peter as the Bishop of Rome. He does not have all the charisms that Peter had.


For one thing he does not write anything that is scripture. His charism is one of interprutation, not writing. He interpruts the same way everyone else does. By his knowledge, prayer, and guidance of the Holy Spirit. Yet when he does so in the capacity of the Biship of Rome, teaching on faith and morals, for the purpose of binding the whole Church, we know it to be infallible, for Christ said "WHATEVER you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven".

Blessings BB

 

[bibleberean]

In in 1996 "Apostolic Exhortation,"Pope John Paul II encouraged Catholics to reverence the papacy as the "sweet Christ on earth."

This is not silly... Sadly it is blasphemous...

"In founders and foundresses of the consecrated orders of nuns and priests, we see a constant and lively sense of the Church, which they manifest by their full participation in all aspects of the Church's life, and in their ready obedience to the bishops and especially to the Roman Pontiff.

Against this background of love towards Holy Church, ‘the pillar and bulwark of the truth’ (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for ‘the lord Pope’, the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called ‘sweet christ on earth’, the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola, and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: ‘I am a daughter of the Church’.

Apostolic Exhortation on the Consecrated Life and Its Mission in the Church and in the World," to the bishops and clergy, religious orders and congregations, societies of apostolic life, secular institutes, and all the faithful, given in Rome, at Saint Peter’s, March 25, 1996).

The popes are an antichrist... They went out from the doctrines of the apostles and made disciples after themselves...

It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question.

If it be not the Popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. It wounds Christ, robs Christ of His glory, puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread in the place of the Saviour....

...If we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we hate their errors; we shall love their souls, though we loathe and detest their dogmas...."



C. H Spurgeon (All Roads Lead To Rome, Dorcheste House, 1991, pg. 183).

 

[bibleberean]

So where in the scriptures did the Pope interpret the "Assumption of Mary" or the "Immaculate Conception"?

He is adding to the scriptures with these doctrines...

This is where Tradition overshadows the scriptures.

 

[thessalonian]

In in 1996 "Apostolic Exhortation,"Pope John Paul II encouraged Catholics to reverence the papacy as the "sweet Christ on earth."

This is not silly... Sadly it is blasphemous...

Well first of all he was quoting St. Catherine of Sienna to get the story straight. Here it is:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congr ... ta_en.html

Now recall the words of the gospels, "He who hears you hears me". If one hears the Word of God from another is it blasphemy to accept it as from the Lord?

Paul says:
Rom.13
[14] But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

[15] Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I therefore take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never!


1Cor.11
[1] Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

We are to be Christ for one another by our imiation and obedience to him. So Catherine's words are not blasphemy. She is not calling the Pope God! The Church is said to be the Body of Christ, is that blasphemy?


God bless

 

[thessalonian]

So where in the scriptures did the Pope interpret the "Assumption of Mary" or the "Immaculate Conception"?

He is adding to the scriptures with these doctrines...

This is where Tradition overshadows the scriptures.

Well a part of it comes from oral tradition. But have you no knowledge of the Ark of the Covenant and it's relationship to Mary. Luke parrellels the Ark of the Covenant directly with mary if you look at Luke 1 and 2 Sam 6. This cannot be an accident. Mary goes to the hill country of Judah in Luke 1. So has the Ark gone to the Hill Country of Judah. Elizabeth says to Mary "how is it that the Mother of my Lord should come to me.". David says "how can the ark of my Lord come to me.". David leaps and dances before the Ark. John the Baptist leaps before Mary. The Ark stays with Obemedon for three months. Mary stays with Elizabeth for three months.

Now Luke is showing that the Ark is a type of Mary. Thus things about the Ark apply to Mary. The Ark was called the God bearer. In it were the mana, Aarons staff, and the tablets, representing Christ. Mary of course held Christ in her womb. The Ark was made to God's specifications. It was so pure and Holy that if anyone touched it they would die. In Psalm 132:8 it says "Arise to me thou and the Ark of the might". This has been applied in the early Church to Christ (thou) and Mary. So it's in there. But my guess is you will pooh pooh this. I don't. More later.

 

[bibleberean]

I agree with you on this. I am going to "pooh pooh" all of this....

In fact "pooh pooh" times infinity!

The Popes do not speak as moved by God...

Was the Pope moved by God to say this?


FURTHERMORE, WE DECLARE, WE PROCLAIM, WE DEFINE THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR SALVATION THAT EVERY HUMAN CREATURE BE SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF.

UNAM SANCTAM
Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

 

[thessalonian]

Every man who knows what Christ meant when he said "I give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. Whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" must obey whatever is bound by the one who has the authority granted by these words. Therefore the words you quote in this context are quite understandable. Do you "obey and submit to your leaders, who have concern for your soul" Heb 13:17?

 

[thessalonian]

I agree with you on this. I am going to "pooh pooh" all of this....

In fact "pooh pooh" times infinity!

[/b]

So is it an odd coincidence? Did Luke corrupt the Bible or something? How do you explain it. It's all in your bible as well. Don't you submit to the bible? or when it seems it might support something Catholic do you become hostile toward it?

 

[bibleberean]

Peter said this about Jesus...

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Peter would never say that it was necessary to submit to Him for salvation.

He would say that you must believe in Jesus.

Catholics are so full of double talk and excuses. It is truly sad....

There is no salvation in a church, Peter, Mary or any man only Christ...

I feel sorry for you...

 

[Guest]

I think truly only God knows who will go to heaven and as Jesus said

hear O Israel, the Lord our God , the Lord is one. love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. the second is this : love your neighbor as yourself. there is no commandment greater than these. :angel:

I think we just need to love and encourage our catholic brothers and sisters and leave the doctrine stuff to God, they still believe Jesus is truly the son of God.

 

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"The apostles have the ability to teach clearly and infallibly on matters of faith. Do you deny this?
The Pope, the modern apostolic successor of Peter, does have the ability to teach. "

I was responding to that statement.

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The Pope is the apostolic successor of the apostole Peter. We know from the bible that apostolic succession does take place.

 

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In in 1996 "Apostolic Exhortation,"Pope John Paul II encouraged Catholics to reverence the papacy as the "sweet Christ on earth."

The Popes are not apostles... They are false apostles and deceitful workers.

I'm not going to bother with these gross exaggerations because they are cut and pasted and aren't actual responses to what I posted. Do you want to actually address what I said or continue to refuse to reply to what I posted?

 

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So where in the scriptures did the Pope interpret the "Assumption of Mary" or the "Immaculate Conception"?

He is adding to the scriptures with these doctrines...

This is where Tradition overshadows the scriptures.

Tradition predates the bible If the bible is so important, why did Christian flourish for nearly four centuries before the bible was ever compiled?

Why do you think the bible is the only source of information for our faith? How do you reach such a conclusion being a fallible person?

 

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This is LOVE Catholic postings in hopes that many fine individuals may find their way out of this anti-christian place of satanic rules and heresy. The Bible and the holy Spirit will lead you into all truth, not a religious/political control mechanism set up by unbelievers.


"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the Popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. It wounds Christ, robs Christ of His glory, puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread in the place of the Saviour....If we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we hate their errors; we shall love their souls, though we loathe and detest their dogmas...."

-- C. H. Spurgeon

"The devil in the Catholic Church is so protected now that he is like an animal protected by the government; put on a game preserve that outlaws anyone, especially hunters, from trying to capture or kill it. The devil within the Church today is actually protected by certain Church authorities from the official devil-hunter in the Church -- the exorcist. ... To the question, 'Are there men of the curia who are followers of Satan?' Milingo responded, 'Certainly there are priests and bishops. I stop at this level of ecclesiastical hierarchy because I am an archbishop, higher than this I cannot go.' Milingo cited papal statements to back up his charges. 'Paul VI said that the smoke of Satan had entered into the Vatican.'"
-- Archbishop Milingo

"Experience teaches that there is no other remedy for the evil, but to put heretics (Protestants) to death; for the (Romish) church proceeded gradually and tried every remedy: at first she merely excommunicatied them; afterwards she added a fine; then she banished them; and finally she was constrained to put them to death."
Cardinal Bellarmine
famous champion of Romanism cited by Schumucker p. 76

The following quotes are cited from The American Textbook of Popery which in turn quotes from the Directory for the Inquisitors (page numbers listed are for the Directory)--

"He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches. --A heretic merits the pains of fire. --By the Gospel, the canons, civil law, and custom, heretics must be burned."--148, 169

"He is a heretic who deviates from any article of faith." --p. 143

"All sects of heretics are condemned and various punishments are appointed for them and their accomplices." --Pope Alexander IV, --p. 135

"Statutes that impede the execution of the duties which appertain to the office of Inquisitors are null and void." --Pope Urban IV, p. 106

"They who bury persons knowing them to be excommunicated, or their receivers, defenders, or favourers, shall not be absolved unless they dig up the corpse; and the place shall be deprived of the usual immunities of sepulture." --Pope Alexander IV, p. 104

"Inquisitors must discard all fear, and intrepidly proceed against heretical pravity."

"All defence is denied to heretics." p. 153

"For the suspicion alone of heresy, purgation is demanded." --p. 156

"Heretics are by right condemned." --p. 157

"He who is without the church can neither be reconciled nor saved." --p. 144

"No person shall preach without the permission of his Superior. All preachers shall explain the Gospel according to the Fathers. They shall not explain futurity or the times of Antichrist!" Pope Leo X, 1516

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:1-5

POPES WHO SIRED POPES

Pope Anastasius (399-401) sired Pope Innocent I (401-417)

Pope Hormisday (514-523) sired Pope Silverius (536-537)

Pope Sergius II (904-911) sired Pope John XI (931-935)

Clerics who Sired Popes, Bishops and Priests

Pope Theodore I (642)-649) sired Bishop Damasus I (366-384)

Pope Boniface (418-422), Felix II (483)-492), Anastasius II (496-498), Agapitus (535-536), Marinus I (882-884) and John XV (985-986) were sons of Roman Catholic priests. [Lead Us Not Into Temptation; Page 179]

"...eucharistic [i.e., cracker] worship is the center and goal of all sacramental life."
"The encouragement and deepening of the Eucharistic [cracker] worship are proofs of that authentic renewal...Jesus waits for us in this sacrament of love..."

"Adoration of Christ in this Sacrament of love must also find expression in various forms of Eucharistic [cracker] devotion: personal prayer before the Blessed Sacrament [the cracker], hours of adoration, periods of exposition - short, prolonged and annual (Forty Hours) - Eucharistic [cracker] benediction, Eucharistic [cracker] processions, Eucharistic [cracker] Congresses."

--Karol Wojtyla, aka pope John Paul II
DOMINICAE CENAE ON THE MYSTERY AND WORSHIP OF THE EUCHARIST
February 24, 1980

 

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I agree with you on this. I am going to "pooh pooh" all of this....

In fact "pooh pooh" times infinity!

The Popes do not speak as moved by God...

Was the Pope moved by God to say this?


FURTHERMORE, WE DECLARE, WE PROCLAIM, WE DEFINE THAT IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR SALVATION THAT EVERY HUMAN CREATURE BE SUBJECT TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF.

UNAM SANCTAM
Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

Cut and pasted? Did you actually read the entire thing and the context of it? It was speaking of the case where Peter revealed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God and any other divine revelations.

I'm not sure about you, but I gladly submut to Peter when he said that.