God alone is King - man can never be God's replacement as the head over all His people - Colossians 1:18
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Christ is the head of the church
But he ascended to heaven appointed peter to administer his kingdom until he returns
No king administers his own kingdom
Isa 22:21-22 matt 16:18-19
Example of Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brothers obeyed and submitted to him. Gen 37
Gen 37:7 For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Obedience to Joseph is obedience to pharaoh!
Obedience to Peter and the Apostles is obedience to Christ!
Regarding the Communion of Saints and the intercession of anyone on our behalf:
God only is omnipresent.
Do you believe EVERYONE in heaven is omnipresent since they can all hear our prayers?
like i said - mary mary mary peter peter peter pope pope pope - that is why God worshippers turn away from reverencing man - the scriptures you quote say something far different than what you claim - especially in context
why don't you sincerely and privately ask God to reveal to you the truth about your religion that promotes everyone but God and Messiah - you have so little to say about both God and Messiah - it's so distasteful to God lover's - it is pagan style behavior as for_his_glory points out - pagans look to anyone but God almighty and His Messiah - this is how your posts read - look at the zero mention God gets compared to mary peter pope
she is none of that - if she wasn't spoken of by God Messiah apostles directly and clearly like others were mentioned then taking unclear passages about israel Messiah God-lovers etc is not convincing -
think about how everyone else is clearly pronounced except peter and mary and popes? - God is clear about everyone but your 3 favorite people? - your 3 favorite people have to usurp scriptures about others to find a position in God's church? - God didn't give mary peter popes any legit position over God's people - God alone remains King and Head of the body
no it's not - God needs no intermediary since He is near to any who call on His name - Psalm 145:18 - Hebrews 4:15-16 - Colossians 1:18
you keep putting peter into Messiah's place - those scriptures are about Messiah not peter - it's so strange that you keep revering peter mary pope saints but never God -
how can you think God worshippers would ever fall for rcc being the true religion when God really has only a brief mention by popes and adherents like you and you and popes go on and on ad nauseum about mary and peter as Messiah's replacements
look at all your posts - you have so much to say about mary mary mary peter peter peter popes popes popes - where are your posts about God God God? no where - God is no where - Messiah is no where - God and Messiah have no prominent position in your religion and you want us to believe you are the true religion? -
Peter is already administering the kingdomyou keep putting peter into Messiah's place - those scriptures are about Messiah not peter - it's so strange that you keep revering peter mary pope saints but never God -
how can you think God worshippers would ever fall for rcc being the true religion when God really has only a brief mention by popes and adherents like you and you and popes go on and on ad nauseum about mary and peter as Messiah's replacements
look at all your posts - you have so much to say about mary mary mary peter peter peter popes popes popes - where are your posts about God God God? no where - God is no where - Messiah is no where - God and Messiah have no prominent position in your religion and you want us to believe you are the true religion? -
Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as mediator
It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!
Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!
Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter
It’s Christ who does this not me
All praise veneration and honor given to mary and the saints redounds to God
They are what God made them
All this terminates in God and Christ who merited the grace in the first place
They are what they are by God’s power and grace! Lk 1:49
He that is mighty (God) has done great things to me
Glory to God on the highest and to Jesus Christ our salvation!
God administers His kingdom - 1 Corinthians 12:11 - John 14:26 -
Christ the king!
The king of kings!
Christ is King of Glory!
Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1
One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!
Christ is the king!
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 2:10-11 all people!
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Jesus Christ is king!
The king of kings!
Christ is King of Glory!
Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1
One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!
Christ is the king!
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 2:10-11 all people!
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Jesus Christ is king!
Where does it say the holy catholic church or any other type of church in those scriptures? You are trying to make the scriptures fit what you say instead of what is actually written and it's just not there.
As i see it that verse is saying blessed be the one in the womb. The Lord who is favoured and full of grace is in the womb through the woman, blessed is he.
Jesus does directly say in scripture to ackowledge and always give rememberance to a woman, the one who annointed him with oil, but who ackowledges what Jesus says. Where is her memorial?.
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Jesus never appointed Peter to administer His kingdom.
Jesus appointed His Apostles to serve the Church, and teach their disciples what Christ taught them.
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Matthew 28:18-20
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
Jesus never taught His people to:
Pray to Mary
Build a Vatican City in Rome and gather unimaginable wealth
Make statues of dead saints and pray to them
Have a Pope or Cardinals ruling in wealth from Rome
Wear costumes
Take money from people to get them out of purgatory (indulgences)
And the list of things that are against Christ’s doctrine goes on….
JLB
You should read post no. 208 again.
I don't think you understood my reply...which was:
Regarding the Communion of Saints and the intercession of anyone on our behalf:
God only is omnipresent.
Do you believe EVERYONE in heaven is omnipresent since they can all hear our prayers?
Only God is omnipresent.
Only God can hear prayer....even satan is not omnipresent and thus cannot be everywhere at once.
So if only God is omnipresent:
HOW would those persons that are in heaven be able to hear OUR prayers to them?
See?
There have always been popes and underlings to rule the church - from the beginning.
Pope was a name given to the authority figure in Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem and Antioch.
These were the top figures in the early church....from the end of the first century.
Since the other "popes" looked to Rome for guidance, it was decided in about the 500 or 600's (can't remember) to call ONLY the "pope" in Rome by this title.
So there was always a Pope and "cardinals" although they weren't called that.
Cardinal means a major person in any institution or business that makes that institution function.
These, I'm sure you'll agree, have existed from the beginning .... James and Peter being two of them...and Paul, of course.
I'd say that all the Apostles that were sent out were what we could call "cardinals". (Matthew 28)
As to the "costumes" they wear, the colors have a specific meaning.
As to the other doctrine on your list, I agree that none of it is biblical.
I have learned much here too, many wise men of biblical understanding
Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death
Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Jude 1:3
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