Roman Catholic church

[Bible]

The Head of the church is Jesus Christ.
Peter, Paul, and the other apostles were witnesses and writers of our NT books.
And I thank God for them.

What did Nathaniel write?
Christ ascended to heaven so who is in charge of the church?
What king administers his own kingdom?

Christ appointed peter and the apostles until he returns
Matt 16:18 18:18 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 Jn 21:17

 

[Bible]

There is no such thing as an article of faith nor is there any holy mother (Mary) church. If you can not provide a written article for us to read then it is just your view.

Faith means the trustworthiness or reliance on Gods word for his salvation for us who believe in him. It's a belief in the promises and blessings of his word and applying his word to our daily walk with him by seeing the confidence in the testimony of others.

The nature of faith is seen through the fruits of the Spirit, which are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance, which these fruits brings about kindness, self control and faithfulness through the works of God that comes from our heart.

Faith gives us freedom from condemnation and freedom of salvation through adoption as we become one body in the Lord as we walk by faith, live by faith, pray by faith and resist evil by faith. By faith we are an overcomer of this world as we stand fast and are grounded in Gods word knowing we have assurance of all of his promises that makes us victorious in all things here on earth by us applying his word to our lives to know for a surety that he will never leave us or forsake us.

Faith is a living reality in ones life through Gods service by declaring his word as we bear witness to his name by the mighty works he has done. It’s not even our faith, but that of Jesus who is our faith as we believe in who he has said he was and to the glory and honor that he has brought before the Father through his life, death and resurrection that we to can become heirs to the throne of grace by coming boldly to his throne and surrendering all of us to him to be Lord and Savior of our live.

Hebrews chapter 11 is probably one of the greatest faith chapters in the Bible. I want to take you through each verse and show you how faith brought about Gods promise and favor to his people. We have these same promises today and forever because of the covenant God made with Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3 and for all generations to come because we are the heirs of God and joint-heirs of Christ, Romans 8:12-17.​

Holy mother church is found in gal 4:26 and not mary
Article of faith is one component of thee faith given by Christ to his church in the sacred deposit of truth Jude 1:3

Is the word of God limited to scripture? You’re 66 books I mean?

 

[Hopeful]

What did Nathaniel write?

I could find no record of any writing by Nathaniel.

Christ ascended to heaven so who is in charge of the church?
What king administers his own kingdom?
Christ appointed peter and the apostles until he returns
Matt 16:18 18:18 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 Jn 21:17

If anyone can "administer His own kingdom", God can.
And still, 2000 years later, the gates of hell have not prevailed against it...as it has against so many pseudo-kingdoms.

 

[Bible]

I could find no record of any writing by Nathaniel.

If anyone can "administer His own kingdom", God can.
And still, 2000 years later, the gates of hell have not prevailed against it...as it has against so many pseudo-kingdoms.

Of course God can but does he? No he ascended to heaven
That’s why he founded a church Matt 16:18 and appointed peter and the apostles and their successors

 

[Hopeful]

Holy mother church is found in gal 4:26 and not mary
Article of faith is one component of thee faith given by Christ to his church in the sacred deposit of truth Jude 1:3

Is the word of God limited to scripture? You’re 66 books I mean?

Of course God can but does he? No he ascended to heaven
That’s why he founded a church Matt 16:18 and appointed peter and the apostles and their successors

It was Jesus that ascended into heaven.
God can do whatever He wants.
I will depend on God's leadership, instead of depending on men.

 

[for_his_glory]

Holy mother church is found in gal 4:26 and not mary
Article of faith is one component of thee faith given by Christ to his church in the sacred deposit of truth Jude 1:3

Is the word of God limited to scripture? You’re 66 books I mean?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Says nothing about a Holy mother church, especially the Roman Catholic Church. Notice where Paul uses the word "above", this means the new Spiritual Jerusalem. The full context of Galatians 4:21-31 is about the bondwoman (law) and the free woman (grace). This you will have to see for yourself.

God's word is not limited to only 66 books, but that there is no book big enough that could contain all He has given us to learn from. The Bible is not sufficient enough to those who go outside the Spiritual realm of God in search of carnal logical explanations, (man's doctrine).

 

[Bible]

It was Jesus that ascended into heaven.
God can do whatever He wants.
I will depend on God's leadership, instead of depending on men.

God always establishes “order” in obedience to hierarchical order!

Do the successors of Moses have authority Matt 23:1 “there just men” why does Christ command them to be obeyed

 

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Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Says nothing about a Holy mother church, especially the Roman Catholic Church. Notice where Paul uses the word "above", this means the new Spiritual Jerusalem. The full context of Galatians 4:21-31 is about the bondwoman (law) and the free woman (grace). This you will have to see for yourself.

God's word is not limited to only 66 books, but that there is no book big enough that could contain all He has given us to learn from. The Bible is not sufficient enough to those who go outside the Spiritual realm of God in search of carnal logical explanations, (man's doctrine).

The church is the new Jerusalem or it could not be our mother

 

[Hopeful]

God always establishes “order” in obedience to hierarchical order!

Do the successors of Moses have authority Matt 23:1 “there just men” why does Christ command them to be obeyed

They do if you are a Jew.
The priesthood ended "at the cross".
Jesus is our "Head" now. And His Head is God.

Your adulation of "hierarchy" scares me.

 

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They do if you are a Jew.
The priesthood ended "at the cross".
Jesus is our "Head" now. And His Head is God.

Your adulation of "hierarchy" scares me.

Priesthood did not end, the old covenant priesthood ended but the new covenant priesthood began as you can’t have a covenant without a mediator Christ is high priest

Jesus is head but he ascended to heaven so who did he appoint to govern the new covenant church?

My point in matt 23 is they had authority from God and it must be obeyed an it is a succession

Successors of Moses!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


apostolic succession!

explicit and implicit in scripture

Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Matthias succeeded him as apostle

acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

Isa 22 21-22 prime minister called father!
Holding the keys of the kingdom under the king Lk 1:32-33 in the line of david!
Matt 16:18


What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

 

[Bible]

Scripture says we must be taught by christ and his holy church
Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42

 

[Hopeful]

Priesthood did not end, the old covenant priesthood ended but the new covenant priesthood began as you can’t have a covenant without a mediator Christ is high priest

Jesus is head but he ascended to heaven so who did he appoint to govern the new covenant church?

My point in matt 23 is they had authority from God and it must be obeyed an it is a succession

Successors of Moses!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


apostolic succession!

explicit and implicit in scripture

Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Matthias succeeded him as apostle

acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

Isa 22 21-22 prime minister called father!
Holding the keys of the kingdom under the king Lk 1:32-33 in the line of david!
Matt 16:18


What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

All you are trying to do is justify popes and cardinals.
I'll have none of it.

 

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All you are trying to do is justify popes and cardinals.
I'll have none of it.

It is Christ who founded the new covenant church on Peter and the apostles
The kingdom of God on earth
You attack or reject the church then you are attacking or rejecting christ
It is his church
See below

 

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Christ the king!

The king of kings!

Christ is King of Glory!

Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1
One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!

Christ is the king!

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 2:10-11 all people!

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Jesus Christ is king!

We must submit and obey the king of kings!

And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!

Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
Jn 20:21-23

Biblical Example Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brother obeyed and submitted to him.

Christ is king and a king must rule the hearts and minds of his subjects!

All are subject to christ! Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power (authority) is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

[Hopeful]

It is Christ who founded the new covenant church on Peter and the apostles

No, Jesus founded the new covenant church on the fact that He was the Son of God.

The kingdom of God on earth
You attack or reject the church then you are attacking or rejecting christ

How apropos that you didn't capitalize the title of Jesus Christ.
Freudian slip?

 

[Hopeful]

Christ the king!

The king of kings!

Christ is King of Glory!

Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1
One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!

Christ is the king!

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 2:10-11 all people!

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Jesus Christ is king!

We must submit and obey the king of kings!

How many roman catholics do that?
If any did, they wouldn't need "confessionals".

 

[stovebolts]

Thee faith must be proposed by holy church for our belief! Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 2:42

How did we get from the Title of this thread to the Roman Catholic Church?

 

[JLB]

Scripture says we must be taught by christ and his holy church
Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42

But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

That man of God is a bishop a successor of the apostles

The man of God is a servant unto God with the gifts that are given by the Holy Spirit, 1Corinthians Chapter 12.

 

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No, Jesus founded the new covenant church on the fact that He was the Son of God.

How apropos that you didn't capitalize the title of Jesus Christ.
Freudian slip?

Blame it on the Spell checker

Matt 16:18

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

Matt 16:17-19

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21-23
Eph 2:20
Matt 23

God always establishes order in the obedience to hierarchical authority!