Christ is king but he appointed peter and the apostles to administer his kingdom until his return including the power to forgive sins jn 20:21-23How many roman catholics do that?
If any did, they wouldn't need "confessionals".
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Christ is king but he appointed peter and the apostles to administer his kingdom until his return including the power to forgive sins jn 20:21-23How many roman catholics do that?
If any did, they wouldn't need "confessionals".
1) cos it’s my thread!How did we get from the Title of this thread to the Roman Catholic Church?
According to you what is Christ holy church. Can you describe that for us and what the first commandment was God gave to man before the beginning of generations.Scripture says we must be taught by christ and his holy church
Must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Acts 2:42
That’s the bishops successors and f the apostles having the authority of Christ the kingThe man of God is a servant unto God with the gifts that are given by the Holy Spirit, 1Corinthians Chapter 12.
There s only one true church Jn 10:16According to you what is Christ holy church. Can you describe that for us and what the first commandment was God gave to man before the beginning of generations.
That is a violation of the ToS as no one owns their own thread1) cos it’s my thread!
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Nobody but Jesus the Christ had the power to take away the sins of the world.Matt 16:18
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
You left out the verse describing the "rock" on which the true church is founded on.Matt 16:17-19
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
God has provided pastors and teachers for that function.How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?
How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)
What are you talking about, confession?How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?
God has established all we need to be obedient to Him, something I rarely was as a catholic.also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21-23
Eph 2:20
Matt 23
God always establishes order in the obedience to hierarchical authority!
You are avoiding the question...How many catholics live without committing sin?Christ is king but he appointed peter and the apostles to administer his kingdom until his return including the power to forgive sins jn 20:21-23
All that, and still men raise themselves above God with their disobedience.Christ the king!
The king of kings!
Christ is King of Glory!
Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1
One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!
Christ is the king!
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 2:10-11 all people!
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Jesus Christ is king!
We must submit and obey the king of kings!
And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
Jn 20:21-23
Biblical Example Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brother obeyed and submitted to him.
Christ is king and a king must rule the hearts and minds of his subjects!
All are subject to christ! Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power (authority) is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.There s only one true church Jn 10:16
Then why do Catholics break the first commandment bowing down to the Pope?Christ the king!
The king of kings!
Christ is King of Glory!
Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1
One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!
Christ is the king!
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 2:10-11 all people!
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Jesus Christ is king!
We must submit and obey the king of kings!
And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
Jn 20:21-23
Biblical Example Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brother obeyed and submitted to him.
Christ is king and a king must rule the hearts and minds of his subjects!
All are subject to christ! Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power (authority) is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
If I understand you correctly, are you saying that it was the Catholic church that persecuted Christ whipping him, degrading Him, and nailing Him to a cross? There wasn't a Catholic denomination when Christ was crucified. He was killed by the Roman soldiers, but there is no evidence that they were Catholics.John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
The other sheep are outside of Israel as in being the Gentile nation. Not the Roman Catholic Church. The churches that were established in Rome were not Roman Catholic as in the Vatican and Popes, but Christian churches founded on the rock who is Christ Jesus, not Peter. It has always been the Roman Empire that have persecuted to death millions of Christians and even so today until Christ returns.
The title of the thread you made here is what is the first commandment. In your post #4 you said: "Why does the scripture not say what each commandment is? Instead is has the whole content of the ten in ex 20". Why can you not read all ten commandments there with the first one being "Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me".
So, what is the whole purpose of this thread, but to argue and debate that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church of God.
I thank God for all the Catholics that have come out from her having their eyes opened to truth. Catholic might mean "universal" but only in the sense of the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church throughout the world who has made martyr's of God's people beginning with The Babylonian Empire up to present day revived Roman Empire that rules from the Vatican in Rome. Who was it that persecuted Christ whipping him, degrading Him nailing Him to a cross. Is this the church anyone would want to bow down to!!!
I don't think that Catholics bow down to the Pope, thereby making him "before" God. As far as I understand it, they think that the Pope is the infallible(?) head of the Catholic church, the "vicar" (acting "in the person of" or agent") for Christ.Then why do Catholics break the first commandment bowing down to the Pope?
So nobody bows down before the Pope and ask him to forgive their sins!!! Have you never seen the pictures where even Presidents bow before him and kiss his ring or they who bow down to a statue of Mary asking her to make intercession for them!!! God said to call no man father, but He himself as our Father in heaven. Why does the Pope call himself "Holy Father". This breaks the first commandment of having no other gods before me.I don't think that Catholics bow down to the Pope, thereby making him "before" God. As far as I understand it, they think that the Pope is the infallible(?) head of the Catholic church, the "vicar" (acting "in the person of" or agent") for Christ.
There is a lot wrong with the teachings of the Catholic church. They go way, way beyond the Bible and have created a skewed version of OT Jewish tradition and worship, but that doesn't include putting the Pope ahead of God.
You are avoiding the question...How many catholics live without committing sin? Zero
Against how many of tens of thousands have the gates of hell not prevailed against? The gates of hell cannot prevail against the church, the church is eternal Lk 1:32-33
I agree wise man idolatry is forbiddenAll that, and still men raise themselves above God with their disobedience.
Idolaters, they are.
I don't think that Catholics bow down to the Pope, thereby making him "before" God. As far as I understand it, they think that the Pope is the infallible(?) head of the Catholic church, the "vicar" (acting "in the person of" or agent") for Christ.
There is a lot wrong with the teachings of the Catholic church. They go way, way beyond the Bible and have created a skewed version of OT Jewish tradition and worship, but that doesn't include putting the Pope ahead of God.
I agree with this, but you originally wrote "I don't think that Catholics bow down to the Pope, thereby making him "before" God." I don't equate the two.So nobody bows down before the Pope and ask him to forgive their sins!!! Have you never seen the pictures where even Presidents bow before him and kiss his ring or they who bow down to a statue of Mary asking her to make intercession for them!!! God said to call no man father, but He himself as our Father in heaven. Why does the Pope call himself "Holy Father". This breaks the first commandment of having no other gods before me.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;