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[Elijah674]

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It what?? You best go read their pope Peter's [documented] material! And at least give the documrntation of such a remark as the sabbath was nailed to the cross. (7th Day one that is! Exod. 25:16) See Eccl. 3:14 & Rev. last couple verses of WARNING. (if one believes that even?)

And who do you think spoke & penned the Eternal Covenant??? 1 Cor.10:1-4 starts out with ignorant?? (compare Neh. 9:6-15)

--Elijah

Me again:

What gets me is that these ones profess to be Christ's [FOLKS!] Nail the Law of God in the garbage can! Change it! Or some kind of eternal 'resting' welfare! And now? Christ is here in person on earth!

It used to be one sincerely BELIEVED what they were taught & were only accountable for that. But in these last days God has given so much Truth that it is IMPOSSIBLE to remain in [[STUPID IGNORANCE]] (Peter 'pigslop kind' of 2 Peter 19-22) and still claim anything other that what 'mom' has changed! Rev. 17:1-5. So the Holy Spirit is as stated.. GRIEVED & Quenched AWAY from these ones! Eph. 4:30-1 Thess. 5:19

And these ones are ALL DOCUMENTED AS THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH by the Holy Spirit's LAST WORD!

Yet, these most all teach that Matt. 24 finds 70 AD aprox. 39 years from the time that Christ penned the whole book to the future event taken place of the destruction of Jerusalem.

And that CHRIST IS OUR HIGH PRIEST GOD who became so a short time after He penned Matt. 24! And even knowing this truth, these ALL Blaringly teach that Christ was shooting satanic lieing bullets with telling His VERY OWN TO [[PRAY THAT THEIR FLIGHT BE NOT ON HIS & 7th DAY SABATH!]]]
(Proving that His 7th Day Sabbath was still in force & REQUIRED long after He left for heaven!)


And satan's Jude's 'WINDS' of false lieing stuff is coming out of his slim/pit [[all over the place]], but their adored mother is still the mom, huh!


And after Matt. 24's WARNING BY CHRIST FOR REAL PRAYER BY HIS OWN, we find His last resort for trying to reach 'others' who have not had the opportunity as these past/tense ones have had!

Matt. 24:21 'Nor EVER SHALL BE!' But these with these many 'winds'?? They are already found UNITIFIED in satan's camp! Matt. 6:24 has just the TWO! And satan's FIRST LIE of calling God a LIAR with most all of these ones teaching with immortality of the soul, + mom's pagan sun worship replacement of GOD/HIMSELF that has been taught by these ones for well well well past, any 120 years of the Holy Spirits STRIVINGS for REPENTANCE as was seen in past/tense of Gen. 6:3 along with satans lies taught by his DESIREES of Gen. 4:7 ones!

And what happens?? The heart just gets HARDER & HARDER SET IN satan's spiritual concrete!!

--Elijah

 

[tessiewebb]

Elijah, I kind of admire your vehemence as displayed in your capitalizations and colors but you really are walking on very dangerous grounds to say such as this:

"What gets me is that these ones profess to be Christ's [FOLKS!] Nail the Law of God in the garbage can! Change it! Or some kind of eternal 'resting' welfare! And now? Christ is here in person on earth! "

Are you on Earth? Are you in person? Does Jesus live in you? (not that I think so based on the things you post, but I'm asking for the benefit of the doubt). If He lives in you, is He in person within you? If not, what is He? Is He the King of Kingdom of Christ. Did He not say "the kingdom is within you". Did He not say we were to be like Him? Are we "in person"? Where is the King of the Kingdom then? And Scripture does state that the ordinances that were against us were nailed to the cross. I don't know if you are calling the Cross the "garbage can" but it gave me cold chills to read your statement.

Yet, these most all teach that Matt. 24 finds 70 AD aprox. 39 years from the time that Christ penned the whole book to the future event taken place of the destruction of Jerusalem.

This statement is not at all coherent but part of it is ludicrous! Christ penned the whole book??? Did He tell you He wrote Matthew?

And that CHRIST IS OUR HIGH PRIEST GOD who became so a short time after He penned Matt. 24! And even knowing this truth, these ALL Blaringly teach that Christ was shooting satanic lieing bullets with telling His VERY OWN TO [[PRAY THAT THEIR FLIGHT BE NOT ON HIS & 7th DAY SABATH!]]]

You really are not making a lot of sense here. It's so convoluted it is difficult even to know where to start so lets go with "after He penned Matt 24" again. So far as anyone alive knows the only time Christ "penned" anything was when He wrote in the stone floor of the temple court as a woman caught in adultery was thrown in front of Him to test His adherence to the Pharisaical interpretation of the law. And yes, He told the disciples to pray that their flight not be in winter or on the Sabbath. He also said that man is not for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for man. Legalists will determine that He didn't "really mean that" in order to demand that the Sabbath be kept as a ritualistic demand.

(Proving that His 7th Day Sabbath was still in force & REQUIRED long after He left for heaven!)

First of all His statement was made BEFORE He was crucified and the law had not yet been completed by His death on the cross. The very thing you accuse others of, blasphemy for instance, is present in your insistence that the law remains a requirement for Christians. In fact, a letter was written to Gentiles that said we must abstain from eating blood, fornication and one other thing I don't recall but it certainly wasn't keeping the Sabbath. Jesus said Himself that He didn't come to destroy the Law but to complete it. Look up the word "abolish" if you don't believe this. His work on the cross ended in our being freed from the law. Because they are so belligerent and wrong, I am not going to answer more of your posts but I pray for you that the "glorious liberty" Christians enjoy might be yours soon!

 

[Webb]

Very well put tessiewebb but from past experience it most likely fell on blind eyes. One thought in addition to what you said: Their prayer that their flight would not be on the "sabbath" was probabliy because most Jews would still be keeping the law at that time and the gates of the city would be closed.---God bless!

 

[Enow]

Jesus never spoke to His disciples to keep the sabbath day. What He did spoke on was His deity by how the sabbath day was no longer to be over man as if man was created for the sabbath day thus declaring the liberty because Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath as we are justified by our faith in Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 14:4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

So believers are not to judge those that want to honour the Lord on the sabbath day just as those that honour the Lord on the sabbath day are not to judge those that do not regard the sabbath day.

Sabbath keepers should not look to keeping the sabbath as a means to obtain righteousness nor justification: otherwise: that would be seeking righteousness by the deeds of the law. If no flesh shall glory in His presence: then those that honour the Lord by keeping the sabbath day will not be glorified nor exalted as such over those that did not regard the sabbath day to honour the Lord on.

I doubt any believer can claim that they are sabbath day keepers based on a society that requires people to work on Saturday for their day to day living.

How convenient for sabbath day keepers to throw out condemnation on Saturday while people are at work keeping them on the internet? Has any sabbath day keeper done any grocery shopping on Saturday? How about enjoying eating out at a restuarant or fast food place or getting take outs? How about watching television? How about when the lines go down during a storm on Saturday: do sabbath keepers mind if they wait till Sunday to fix the downed lines?

What about the police? Firefighters? Hospitals? In light of the law of love: I am saure sabbath keepers see no objection to those kind of services: but do they use that keeping of the sabbath to get out of serving on Saturday? I hope not.

The point here is: believers should feel free to honour the Lord on the sabbath day if they want to: not because they have to. If they have to: then they fail to see His righteousness as being sufficient in getting them Home.

Anybody want to tell the Lord that what He did on the cross and being raised from the dead was not good enough for all believers because they must keep the sabbath day holy? I don't.

Being how most believers these days are Gentile believers: I fail to see the necessity of being identified with the Old Covenant in pertaining to the law when the New Covenant is pertaining to our hope and faith in Christ Jesus.

This is how we are identified as His children.

Galatians 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

How others know that we are His children is by our love for one another.
So believers should feel free to regard Saturday or Sunday or any day of the week to honour the Lord on. Indeed: there is nothing to stop a believer to honour the Lord every day of the week: but not because they have to: but because they want to as we are at liberty to do so, because the Lord is able to make us stand if we do not regard the day at all as Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[smaller]

One posted this up..

My posting name is smaller, thank you, and yes I did post 'that scripture.'

'Faith works through love. There is no 'law obedience' that can install the Spirit of Love, which same is of God and Is God.'

I will leave it at that belief for you.

Kinda hard to overlook direct statements of text. Why wouldn't I believe it? Obviously you don't accept that simplicity.

A. The Law is not of faith
B. Faith works through Love
C. Loving our neighbors as ourselves fulfills every obligation of the Law, whatever commands there may be.
D. God is Love
E. His Spirit lives in us when we love.

If you find fault with the scriptural logic above by all means show it. There is scripture for every point to back it up.

Titus 3:9-11 Yet Forum, No one will be saved who is not FIRST Born Again! Acts 5:32 And ONLY THE ONES THAT OBEY HIM ARE GIVEN THE NEW BIRTH! It is then & ONLY Then that Agapie LOVE is the GIVEN [[MOTIVE]] FOR TRUE LOVING OBEDIENCE!

You zipped by this one before as well, and more than likely because it doesn't fit your formulamatic view of being born again.

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

For the uninformed, I would also point out that when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about being 'born again' Jesus was speaking about an earthly thing....

John 3:
12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe;

Yes, that was Jesus' born again conversation with Nicodemus.

What was it Nicodemus didn't understand? All people of Israel are openly taught in the O.T. to be Gods children. Adam was also Gods son. (see Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6 and Luke 3:38 for references)

IF they are/were ALL Gods children, then they HAD to originate from and within God before their EARTHLY BIRTH.

I would also add that every person loves in some way at some time, even if it is just loving their own hide, which all men do.

And NO ONE BORN AGAIN at the Start of this New Life, will BE FOUND NOT RECREATED TO LOVINGLY OBEY CHRIST. And it is HE that made it simple TRUTH in telling the Universe that.. 'IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS'!

The entire and full extent of ANY COMMAND is to love our neighbors as ourselves, just as Paul taught us 'all' in Romans 13:8-10.

Now I know this simplicity isn't enough for 'religious' people, but it IS a scriptural fact. Paul summed up all commands as being fulfilled by 'doing that.' That is the full extent of all commands and that is a Spiritual extension of ALL LAWs and COMMANDS.

The natural man can read that text all the day long and will insist on a fleshly view of the same laws...i.e. do not eat, do this on a certain day etc etc. But Paul himself DENIES your view on the Saturday Sabbath, period, as also prior noted to you.

And it was He that wrote them in two tables of stone (1 Cor. 10:1-3! + Heb. 10:15-16) and then PUT THEM INTO THE FLESHY BORN AGAIN HEART! (CALLED THE NEW COVENANT) And surely we know that they are not recreated in any heart that does not Love Him, huh!


--Elijah

Here's another clue for you. God is not 'in need' of mankinds self centered egotistical self preserving love. And men who claim to love Him on the basis of their forthcoming destruction if they don't ONLY LOVE HIM to save their own hides...no different than if God were holding a gun to your head....YES, you cry to save your life: I LOVE YOU!!!

yeah, right...such supposed 'adherents' are doing nothing more than mouthing the position to save their own hides from the God who supposedly loves them.

When God lives in a person, they love because they are sharers of His Divine Nature. That is the gift we all share in. Love is NOT our origination, but HIS.

Perfect Love casts out fear.

enjoy!

s

 

[Webb]

Well put Smaller, and the scripture says we love Him BECAUSE He first loved us.

 

[Elijah674]

The poster says:
Elijah, I kind of admire your vehemence as displayed in your capitalizations and colors but you really are walking on very dangerous grounds to say such as this:

Originally Posted by Elijah674
"What gets me is that these ones profess to be Christ's [FOLKS!] Nail the Law of God in the garbage can! Change it! Or some kind of eternal 'resting' welfare! And now? Christ is here in person on earth! "




Are you on Earth? Are you in person? Does Jesus live in you? (not that I think so based on the things you post, but I'm asking for the benefit of the doubt). If He lives in you, is He in person within you? If not, what is He? Is He the King of Kingdom of Christ. Did He not say "the kingdom is within you". Did He not say we were to be like Him? Are we "in person"? Where is the King of the Kingdom then? And Scripture does state that the ordinances that were against us were nailed to the cross. I don't know if you are calling the Cross the "garbage can" but it gave me cold chills to read your statement.

Originally Posted by Elijah674
Yet, these most all teach that Matt. 24 finds 70 AD aprox. 39 years from the time that Christ penned the whole book to the future event taken place of the destruction of Jerusalem.



This statement is not at all coherent but part of it is ludicrous! Christ penned the whole book??? Did He tell you He wrote Matthew?

Originally Posted by Elijah674
And that CHRIST IS OUR HIGH PRIEST GOD who became so a short time after He penned Matt. 24! And even knowing this truth, these ALL Blaringly teach that Christ was shooting satanic lieing bullets with telling His VERY OWN TO [[PRAY THAT THEIR FLIGHT BE NOT ON HIS & 7th DAY SABBATH!]]]
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You really are not making a lot of sense here. It's so convoluted it is difficult even to know where to start so lets go with "after He penned Matt 24" again. So far as anyone alive knows the only time Christ "penned" anything was when He wrote in the stone floor of the temple court as a woman caught in adultery was thrown in front of Him to test His adherence to the Pharisaical interpretation of the law. And yes, He told the disciples to pray that their flight not be in winter or on the Sabbath. He also said that man is not for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for man. Legalists will determine that He didn't "really mean that" in order to demand that the Sabbath be kept as a ritualistic demand.
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Elijah here: It seems that you find enough to understand for your reply? So lets just go through this? First you post..'Christ is here in person on earth!'?? That is 2 Cor. 4:2 twisted stupidity! I am Christ you say, and then because of my post material, you back/track that remark even????? So what you are saying is that you are the body of Christ! [[GOD/FORBID!]]
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Originally Posted by Elijah674
(Proving that His 7th Day Sabbath was still in force & REQUIRED long after He left for heaven!)




First of all His statement was made BEFORE He was crucified and the law had not yet been completed by His death on the cross. The very thing you accuse others of, blasphemy for instance, is present in your insistence that the law remains a requirement for Christians. In fact, a letter was written to Gentiles that said we must abstain from eating blood, fornication and one other thing I don't recall but it certainly wasn't keeping the Sabbath. Jesus said Himself that He didn't come to destroy the Law but to complete it. Look up the word "abolish" if you don't believe this. His work on the cross ended in our being freed from the law. Because they are so belligerent and wrong, I am not going to answer more of your posts but I pray for you that the "glorious liberty" Christians enjoy might be yours soon!

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OK: John 1-3 + 14 has me believing that the whole Book is the 'testimony' of the Word of God. And that Matt. 4:4 is ALL His Inspired Food with No start or stooping place for our 'spiritual' diet. Even before Words were in print Christ's Words were spoken to His own verbally! And Doctrine, or your reproof? (it is also faulty!) 2 Tim. 3:16 is also the Eternal Word of Christ God! And to understand 'your stuff'?? Jer. 17:5 is NO way for me to 'temp' God on that! See Isa. 28:9-10 [FORUM!]

And then comes abolish?? The Eternal Law of God you find Abolished??? I can see what your law/less satanic teaching has accomplished in just the last few years. Forum: Read Isa. 42:21 for what Christ came to do with His Fathers Eternal Law. MAGNIFYING IT IS NOT ABOLISHING IT as satan's DESIREE'S contend. Dan. 7:25

Then you say.. 'In fact, a letter was written to Gentiles that said we must abstain from eating blood, fornication and ..'
Again young'in, where pray/tell do you read anything about 'eating blood' in the 7th Day Sabbath Commandment, let alone the COMPLETE TEN??????

Then you are actually calling Christ a LEGALIST, for this is His PRAYER REQUEST for Obedient man 39 years after He left planet earth! You must also believe that Christ did not know of the santanic stuff that you would be teaching in His Eternity! You say: ' Legalists will determine that He didn't "really mean that" in order to demand that the Sabbath be kept as a ritualistic demand.'

OK: Matt, 24:20 Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 repeat from Matt. 20-21 on, has always bothered me forum! They are Christ Words, yet, it has found me often wondering how that [[[ANY CHRISTIAN]]] could believe the next several verses to the point of being the deceived 'very elect'?

Then, here come these guys postings! Even with their teaching that Christ is in person in these ones 'body of mis/fits', (James 2:8-12 + 1 John 2:4 ones!) with even the Lord permitting these desired ones of satan to 'shew these great signs and wonders' (+ just before Christ actually does return in bodily form as seen in 2 Thess. 2:9-11) to come very close, to even deceive the very elect if it were possible? and that is still hard for me to accept!!!
Yet, Eve did go on the forbidden ground to converse with the 'serpent', and if one needed a miracle worked today, as seen in Jer. 17:5's verse, it would possibly be an simple thing to be an Eve, huh?

And next?? you'ins are all shaping up to do the devil's miracle working work, huh! I mean, look at this thread with satan's stuff being eaten up???

--Elijah
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[Webb]

Hey Eliz---You frequently use "huh" in your postings. Now I know for example what btw means (by the way) but pray tell me what "huh" means?????

 

[Elijah674]

Hey Eliz---You frequently use "huh" in your postings. Now I know for example what btw means (by the way) but pray tell me what "huh" means?????

Nothing personal meant here young'in, it is between you and God/Christ, as it was Cain in Gen. 4:7. (+ the amen corner 'posting' ones) He say's IF you LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. And it is recorded as to who you love in Eccl. 12:13-14.

And as for me? You'ins at present come across loud & clear. As in [postings]. And when & 'IF' your posted documentations are fully matured (James 1:15) the offerings will be the same effect as was that of Cain. He had a New Desire!

--Elijah

 

[Enow]

Nothing personal meant here young'in, it is between you and God/Christ, as it was Cain in Gen. 4:7. (+ the amen corner 'posting' ones) He say's IF you LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. And it is recorded as to who you love in Eccl. 12:13-14.

And as for me? You'ins at present come across loud & clear. As in [postings]. And when & 'IF' your posted documentations are fully matured (James 1:15) the offerings will be the same effect as was that of Cain. He had a New Desire!

--Elijah

Show us where Jesus said specifically that we are to keep the sabbath day holy, otherwise: you cannot use those verses to imply by vague generality that He was talking about the commandment of the sabbath day also.

His disciples were commanded to teach all that He has taught them: then explain why John did not reiterate the keeping of the sabbath day as a means to be abiding in Him.

1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

I only see two commadments required to be abiding in Him. So according to you, not only did John failed to keep His commandment to teach others all He had taught them, but Peter did as well: along with Paul: but they did not.

Until you explain why Jesus said that He is Lord of the Sabbath, your teaching will always come across as if man was made for the sabbath and not the sabbath for man.

 

[tessiewebb]

Show us where Jesus said specifically that we are to keep the sabbath day holy, otherwise: you cannot use those verses to imply by vague generality that He was talking about the commandment of the sabbath day also.

His disciples were commanded to teach all that He has taught them: then explain why John did not reiterate the keeping of the sabbath day as a means to be abiding in Him.

1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

I only see two commadments required to be abiding in Him. So according to you, not only did John failed to keep His commandment to teach others all He had taught them, but Peter did as well: along with Paul: but they did not.

Until you explain why Jesus said that He is Lord of the Sabbath, your teaching will always come across as if man was made for the sabbath and not the sabbath for man.

Great post. enow. Just like to add one point. If we are to keep the Sabbath, why do we not have to keep the commandments about animal, grain, and wine sacrifices? New Moons? Red heifers, Temple worship? I could go on, but got to run, thanks for making it possible to piggy back your post;)

 

[tessiewebb]

Hey Eliz---You frequently use "huh" in your postings. Now I know for example what btw means (by the way) but pray tell me what "huh" means?????

Thanks for your comments Webb, I enjoy them!

 

[Elijah674]

Show us where Jesus said specifically that we are to keep the sabbath day holy, otherwise: you cannot use those verses to imply by vague generality that He was talking about the commandment of the sabbath day also.

His disciples were commanded to teach all that He has taught them: then explain why John did not reiterate the keeping of the sabbath day as a means to be abiding in Him.

1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

I only see two commadments required to be abiding in Him. So according to you, not only did John failed to keep His commandment to teach others all He had taught them, but Peter did as well: along with Paul: but they did not.

Until you explain why Jesus said that He is Lord of the Sabbath, your teaching will always come across as if man was made for the sabbath and not the sabbath for man.

Heb. 12
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Neh. 9
[6] Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
.....

[12] Moreover thou leddest them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, to give them light in the way wherein they should go.
[13] Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
[14] And madest known unto them thy holy Sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:
.....

[19] Yet thou in thy manifold mercies forsookest them not in the wilderness: the pillar of the cloud departed not from them by day, to lead them in the way; neither the pillar of fire by night, to shew them light, and the way wherein they should go.
[20] Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
[21] Yea, forty years didst thou sustain them in the wilderness, so that they lacked nothing; their clothes waxed not old, and their feet swelled not.

OK: So who is this [THOU] who wrote His 7th Day Sabbath requirement in Eternity! And the Born Again Heart & Mind of Heb. 10:15-16. And God does not leave one ignorant if he is not ignorant! (if one is Born Again?)

1Cor.10

[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
---Elijah

 

[Enow]

OK: So who is this [THOU] who wrote His 7th Day Sabbath requirement in Eternity! And the Born Again Heart & Mind of Heb. 10:15-16. And God does not leave one ignorant if he is not ignorant! (if one is Born Again?)

What does it mean when Jesus said this?

Matthew 12:5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Do not explain verse 5. I know what verse 5 is referencing. Explain how Jesus went further beyond that reference by declaring a new topic: a truth unheard of.

What does Jesus mean that in this place one is greater than the temple? How does verse 7 ties in with the conclusion that Jesus is Lord even of the sabbath day? Does this not declare that no one can be judged in regards to the sabbath day?

Pray for the wisdom in understanding His words, because no one should be able to judge anyone by the keeping of the sabbath day. Paul said this: and he did not make an exception for the sabbath day as something every believer had to regard.

Romans 14:4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Romans 3:26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

That means without the deed of keeping the sabbath day holy. That is why Jesus Christ is Lord even of the sabbath day. Otherwise, His righteousness is not good enough that it requires the keeping of the sabbath day for our salvation: thus making the Sabbath Day "Lord" over Jesus Christ, and that is not true at all.

 

[Elijah674]

Yeah, The UNIVERSE that Christ God 'Spoke' into Existence per/David's Inspired pen + Job documenting that Christ/God 'hung the earth on NOTHING' has now been allowed by God for satan's 'teaching' that the Godhead now has NO LAW!


And look around for your teaching (Gen. 4:7 desired) results, and see why God needed to let this take place to prove His point. And the forth Eternal Command for sure was spoken by NO HUMAN!!!


Are your IN/CREDITABLE [postings] in [[[any way shape or matter to be read for long??]]] not for me, I have been taught by God to stay away from the forbidden tree where satan & his crew hang out. Titus 3:9-11.

All one needs to do is LOOK at your teaching's [[RESULTS]] of NO Law in earth at present!

But whatever?? It was & is your free choice! And you will not need to wait much longer to be put out of your misery. And Yes, I do understand that the Heb. 6:6 'mature' ones NO longer have an Conscience. But who they [individually] are?? That has not yet been found out by me. Some will no doubt awaken from their [individual ignorance?!]


--Elijah

 

[Eventide]

So too bad for anyone who has to work on Saturday to support their family needs.. they'd be cast out of the kingdom.. right Elijah.. is that what you believe..?

 

[Elijah674]

So too bad for anyone who has to work on Saturday to support their family needs.. they'd be cast out of the kingdom.. right Elijah.. is that what you believe..?

Hi!:waving
I could talk of Daniel's friends & their 'SINCERE MATURE' decision even with not knowing of the outcome? It is found in Daniel 3:14-20 +! But verse 8 answers your thought question for me & my life. (but, I will spare you that testimony from me!;))


Let me just say this?? Faith IS NOT A DONE DEAL! Otherwise it would not be FAITH. When God says something such as Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9, FAITH BELIEVES THAT IT IS [[[IN THE BANK!]]]
And He is talking of nothing presumptous or that is not of A REQUIRED CONDITIONAL SAVATIONAL (new word?) ISSUE!


Again! Remember that it is the Word of God that states that GOD HUNG THE EARTH ON NOTHING! + THAT GOD SPOKE AND IT STOOD FAST! And we got to dis/obey the forth Commandment & work on His 7th Day Sabbath because He cannot take care of His own???? See Acts 5:32


--Elijah

 

[Eventide]

I'm just wondering if you believe that those who do work on Saturday are damned.. Or not ? Is this the mindset you're coming from so to speak?

 

[smaller]

Again! Remember that it is the Word of God that states that GOD HUNG THE EARTH ON NOTHING! + THAT GOD SPOKE AND IT STOOD FAST! And we got to dis/obey the forth Commandment & work on His 7th Day Sabbath because He cannot take care of His own???? See Acts 5:32


--Elijah

Hebrews 8:
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

It would appear that you are fond of remembering sins and forgetting that none are righteous, no not one. And that would be regardless of what day they park themselves in a pew (or not.)

In the same breath you claim 'obedience' you are also in conflict with the larger requirements.

Mercy from God is for the weak, those planted in corruption, dishonor.

It is from that ground of understanding that we arise to the LIGHT of GODS GRACE as it is direly needed.

Unmerited favor.

s

 

[Elijah674]

I'm just wondering if you believe that those who do work on Saturday are damned.. Or not ? Is this the mindset you're coming from so to speak?

There have been many sincere (yet, still ignorant) Christians over the years who will be saved who had never had the Truth that we today have, (Dan. 12:4 + Hosea 4:6) or who have had the opportunity to know what God required when He gives it to us.

When I post what some might 'personally' think is attacking? that is not the issue at all. No one can read anothers growth or mind [or motive]. Yet, any watered down Truth from a True Born Again Christian that is not attacking [FALSE DOCTRINES] such as that of the Rev. 17:1-5 [church's] teaching for truth, are as much a partaker of their evil as they are teaching it!
See Luke 12:47-48 + Eze. 9:4 (got that??:wink3)

Again: Paul finds in Rom. 2:14-15 such ignorant yet, saved ones! They are saved IN Christ, but by only being given the Truth of His created Nature. (His second Bible!) You will find there in the verses that God LAW WAS IN THEIR HEARTS.

So, what would these ones all have done with the Rom. 8:14 verse of being lead by the Holy Spirit when more Truth was given them??

Now: It is Christ of John 10:16 + Rev. 18:4 who answeres your question as 'i' see it. He says that HE has other [sheep not of this fold] (or His True church fold) that 'He MUST BRING'..'

OK: If He were in those other folds, why MUST THEY LEAVE?? Which beg's the question, seeing that He is not in them, who is their leader? Rev. 17:1-5 + Rev. 3:9 has the answer. Now AGAIN: He say's that HE HAS HIS OWN STILL THERE & THAT THEY MUST 'COME OUT OF HER **MY PEOPLE OR BE PARTALERS OF HER SINS.

When we know Truth, the Lords will make a way for us to FOLLOW HIS LEADING, [[IF]] one will make the DECISION TO DO SO.

And as for your question: There will be NO ONE SAVED [[[at the 666 time]]] who will not LOVINGLY KEEP THE LORD'S 7th Day Sabbath.

That will be the FINAL TESTING to see if one would DIE before taking this pagan forced by Caesar Church + state day for false WORSHIP.

--Elijah