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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join Hidden in Him and For His Glory for discussions on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/become-a-vessel-of-honor-part-2.112306/
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Sabbath Day or Sunday
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Elijah674
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It is Christ who said IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS! It WAS CHRIST THE ROCK THAT WROTE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN STONE, (1 Cor. 10:1-4) AND THEN REWROTE THEM EXACTLY the same IN THE BORN AGAIN HEART. Heb. 10:15-16.
And yes, surely it is only this Born Again Heart that Loves Christ!
And I will take your 'LOVING
HEAT' of Matt. 10:25, but it is HE, CHRIST's 'WORDS' that you are calling a Lie! (and that is your type of love)
--Elijah
PS: Mods! That sounds like an personal attack with NO scriptual evidence presented?;) But, that is how we sort out Christ's way or satan's way, huh? 2 Cor. 4:2. So please just let it be.
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Elijah674
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satan say's God lied & that man has a 'seperate' soul along with Dan. 7:25 other stuff that your posting's agree with. And that is what they LOVE??? Gen. 4:7 'Desire'. Whatever??
But I have read enough of your kind of love. (Titus 3:9-11) DOCUMENTED with 1 John 2:4, & with Christ's 7th Day Sabbath Included! James 2:10
--Elijah
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felix
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Take a look at #32: deliberate mistakes!?
http://www.christianforums.net/f17/sabbath-day-sunday-38095/index3.html#post566930
Hope you get a correct answer for II Cor.3:1-12.
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Elijah674
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__________________Take a look at #32: deliberate mistakes!?
http://www.christianforums.net/f17/sabbath-day-sunday-38095/index3.html#post566930
Hope you get a correct answer for II Cor.3:1-12.
Elijah here:
This was NO: 32 was it not?
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Re: Sabbath Day or Sunday
Elijah674, You try to twist the Scripture and say the same false doctrine again and again and never actually answered my questions... did you? Let me ask again from Luke 6:1-4:
I though people would really refer my scripture references but it looks like no one cares... Ok., I will paste them for more clarity.
- Is it lawful for Disciples to pluck the heads of grain on Sabbath? [ ] *Yes [ ] No. * Is yes, please show be Scripture reference in the law.
- When Jesus pointed out the David /snowbread incident, did He by any chance justify the acts of David or His disciples by saying it is lawful? [ ] Yes [ ] No.
I though people would really refer my scripture references but it looks like no one cares... Ok., I will paste them for more clarity.
- Exod 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
- Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A new [covenant,"] He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
- Are the 10 commandments included in the old covenant? [ ] Yes [ ] No.
- Is the old covenant obsolete? [ ] Yes [ ] No.
- Are the 10 commandments obsolete? [ ] Yes [ ] No.
Last edited by felix; 08-15-2011 at 02:58 AM.
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me again: When I first read your postings, I thought that you were perhaps sincere? And what kind of posting up this above is would take more in the 'in' (brain) colum than I find there above?? See Heb. 5 + 2 Peter 3:16 + the last part of the verse!
And your amen corner (no name!) with his 'book' of 'personal nothings' of emails to me? Thanks but NO THANKS! 'i' have no time to waste any further as to Titus 3:9-11.. regardless of who anyone on the forum concludes are the hertick?
--Elijah
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me again: When I first read your postings, I thought that you were perhaps sincere? And what kind of posting up this above is would take more in the 'in' (brain) colum than I find there above?? See Heb. 5 + 2 Peter 3:16 + the last part of the verse!
And your amen corner (no name!) with his 'book' of 'personal nothings' of emails to me? Thanks but NO THANKS! 'i' have no time to waste any further as to Titus 3:9-11.. regardless of who anyone on the forum concludes are the hertick?
--Elijah
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Elijah674
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Forum: There are sincere ones & there are in/sincere ones. Here is a post some months back from another site. See what you 'desire' (Gen. 4:7) one way or the other here?? Being changed as in Rom. 8:14, often takes some time! But 'we' NEVER can read or know ones heart or mind! --Elijah
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No. 1 Reply: Re: Shabbat
By: * ----------------- http://www.meetchristians.com/php/m...jusqgmfsk8wtva&m_to=MiguelServetoConesa>o=M Gender: M Age: 52 on Aug 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM
I think that the ten are the least of these, as there are many more explaintory commandments that were added to the ten. So in direct answer I think that Sabbath keeping is in there.
There is a worthly discussion as to keeping the Sabbath for Christians, specially Gentile Christians.
Some Chistians teach that the Lord's Day, or day of the Lord's resurrection is the Christian sabbath, and try to show that the early church kept Sunday or the first day of the week in this way. But in doing a little bit of study in the Greek I found that they kept the last or seventh day sabbath, with some also gathering at day break on the first day for a resurrection celebration, with prayers and hymn singing.
I find that I was holding to seeing Christ as my sabbath rest, and therefor not in need of keeping a day. Following after Paul's words about keeping sabbaths and festivals. Yet, I think now that Paul was addressing not the actual keeping of the weekly Sabbath, but the sabbaths that were part of the festivals given to Israel, that were ways of remembrance of the grace of God to them as a nation.
Through discussion in this forum I am now seeing that the weekly sabbath is older than the Mosaic law, which gives it a deeper foundation and greater authority. And that the Mosaic law just incorporated it into its structure, confirming the basis of it in God's ways.
So if one teaches others to not keep the Sabbath, are they in danger of having lead another astray? I would have to say yes to that now.
(Elijah will be beside himself reading this from me, as we had a long debate on this matter last fall when I came back online. (my highlites) )
I find the ten commandments are the heart and soul of what is pleasing to God. It is the way of righteousness that God delivered to man, that if we walk by them we shall live the kind of life he created us to live. I also see that by the indwelling Holy Spirit we can live according to them, we can walk in righteousness.
Kent
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No. 1 Reply: Re: Shabbat
By: * ----------------- http://www.meetchristians.com/php/m...jusqgmfsk8wtva&m_to=MiguelServetoConesa>o=M Gender: M Age: 52 on Aug 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM
I think that the ten are the least of these, as there are many more explaintory commandments that were added to the ten. So in direct answer I think that Sabbath keeping is in there.
There is a worthly discussion as to keeping the Sabbath for Christians, specially Gentile Christians.
Some Chistians teach that the Lord's Day, or day of the Lord's resurrection is the Christian sabbath, and try to show that the early church kept Sunday or the first day of the week in this way. But in doing a little bit of study in the Greek I found that they kept the last or seventh day sabbath, with some also gathering at day break on the first day for a resurrection celebration, with prayers and hymn singing.
I find that I was holding to seeing Christ as my sabbath rest, and therefor not in need of keeping a day. Following after Paul's words about keeping sabbaths and festivals. Yet, I think now that Paul was addressing not the actual keeping of the weekly Sabbath, but the sabbaths that were part of the festivals given to Israel, that were ways of remembrance of the grace of God to them as a nation.
Through discussion in this forum I am now seeing that the weekly sabbath is older than the Mosaic law, which gives it a deeper foundation and greater authority. And that the Mosaic law just incorporated it into its structure, confirming the basis of it in God's ways.
So if one teaches others to not keep the Sabbath, are they in danger of having lead another astray? I would have to say yes to that now.
(Elijah will be beside himself reading this from me, as we had a long debate on this matter last fall when I came back online. (my highlites) )
I find the ten commandments are the heart and soul of what is pleasing to God. It is the way of righteousness that God delivered to man, that if we walk by them we shall live the kind of life he created us to live. I also see that by the indwelling Holy Spirit we can live according to them, we can walk in righteousness.
Kent
While waiting for an answer to II Cor.3:1-12 I note that Elijah quotes "Kent" as follows: "---I am now seeing that the weekly sabbath is older than the Mosiac law which gives it a deeper foundation and greater authority. And that the Mosiac law just incorporated it into its structure---"
I am open to any sabbatarian to defend this and the sabbath as a whole on a one on one debate.
I am open to any sabbatarian to defend this and the sabbath as a whole on a one on one debate.
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Elijah674
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Herald, where did you run off to?:waving Regardless, here are the Lords Eternal Words!
The Earth's Birthday or Memorial.
Psalms 135 'Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and Thy Memorial, O LORD, [THROUGH OUT ALL GENERATIONS.]'
Gen.2
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3] And God blessed the seventh [[day,]] and [[sanctified it:]] because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
[4] These are [[the generations]] of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
OK: Did you get the 'GENERATION' Word?
And there are two prophecies of these 'generations' of the Birthday of the Godheads 7th Day Sabbath. One is of God & the others is that of satan.
First Daniel 7:25 and satan thinking 'to change times and laws'. (false Worship!)
[23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. (Dan. 2's rome)
[24] And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and [[think to change times and laws]]:
((GENERATIONS!!))
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
And satan through anti/Christ Rome even boasts that they did indeed change the Birthday of creation to the pagan day of sun worship. (which is both 'times' & 'memorial' of Gods Eternal Law! Heb. 13:20)
And then Next, God Prophesied in Isa. 58 that He would have NO part of satan & his Desiree's stuff, and that He would repair the breach. And sure, these ones are but a truly Born Again 'remnant' that are used of God to do so! Rom. 8:14 followed Rom. 8:1!
[12] And they 'that shall be' of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[13] [If] thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
And all of these others of 1 John 2:4??
[4] He that saith, 'I' know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
And again, there are just these two prophecies of these 'generations' of the Earth's Birthday and the Godheads 7th Day Sabbath.
And: One is of God & the other is that of satan. Eccl. 3:15!
--Elijah
The Earth's Birthday or Memorial.
Psalms 135 'Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and Thy Memorial, O LORD, [THROUGH OUT ALL GENERATIONS.]'
Gen.2
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3] And God blessed the seventh [[day,]] and [[sanctified it:]] because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
[4] These are [[the generations]] of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
OK: Did you get the 'GENERATION' Word?
And there are two prophecies of these 'generations' of the Birthday of the Godheads 7th Day Sabbath. One is of God & the others is that of satan.
First Daniel 7:25 and satan thinking 'to change times and laws'. (false Worship!)
[23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. (Dan. 2's rome)
[24] And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and [[think to change times and laws]]:
((GENERATIONS!!))
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
And satan through anti/Christ Rome even boasts that they did indeed change the Birthday of creation to the pagan day of sun worship. (which is both 'times' & 'memorial' of Gods Eternal Law! Heb. 13:20)
And then Next, God Prophesied in Isa. 58 that He would have NO part of satan & his Desiree's stuff, and that He would repair the breach. And sure, these ones are but a truly Born Again 'remnant' that are used of God to do so! Rom. 8:14 followed Rom. 8:1!
[12] And they 'that shall be' of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[13] [If] thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
And all of these others of 1 John 2:4??
[4] He that saith, 'I' know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
And again, there are just these two prophecies of these 'generations' of the Earth's Birthday and the Godheads 7th Day Sabbath.
And: One is of God & the other is that of satan. Eccl. 3:15!
--Elijah
Yeah,
God's word in creating things into existence is not the same as the law given by God for us to follow Him to make ourselves good.
God speaks: it is done: But when the law was given: it is not the same because if God declared man to keep the sabbath day: we would surely be keeping it as He would have created us to keep them, but because of sin the law was added.
God did not tell Adam and Eve not to work on the sabbath day. That came later when Israel became a nation to represent God from all the false gods of the world.
Genesis 4:7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
I fail to see the application of this reference to Cain having animosity towards Abel and his offering.
Titus 3:9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
That can work both ways, brother. Which one of us is judging a brother by failing to keep the law regarding the sabbath day?
A little misrepresentation there, brother. I do believe in Jesus Christ and I love one another as He enables me and those are the two commandments required to be found abiding in Him.
Now there are other commandments to follow: to abstain from fornication and other sexual immorality, but the believer that errs and do those things is still a brother: even if a believer began labouring in unbelief as if he has to work for or to keep his salvation: all those that believe has His seal. Of course, the Lord will chasten the wayward and trespassing believer: Hebrews 12:1-29 says so thus the call to look to the author and finisher of our faith to lay aside every weight and sin.
But consider this:
Matthew 5:Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
That testifies to the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in Jesus Christ.
But guess what? Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath so that the sabbath day is not lord over us. That is why there is liberty to not regard the sabbath day because it His righteousness that brings us Home. He is able to make us stand.
Feel free to explain why Romans 14:4-13 gives that liberty in how one regards a day or not. Explain why they did not give an exception for the sabbath day.
The problem here is: the implied ignorance on my part in regards to the law of keeping the sabbath day in the OT is not explaining away the liberty in the NT.
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Elijah674
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First off: If 'i' am still viewing your posts, which I am, it must be that Titus 3:9-11 does not apply yet, as I see it? And that was the point, it DOES INDEED APPLY TO ME AS WELL! [[GOT THAT?]]
I have no 'desire' to be vain! And if you want to dialoge, stay off [my] case & [[stick with scripture only]]!!
OK: Is this your verse? Verse 14 was mentioned I THINK?
[10] How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(this has nothing to do with the Sabbath or the Ten Commandments that Christ wrote, find circumcism there in the ten Commandments anywhere, and post it up!)
[11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
(Go read Rom. 2:25-29 & find anything about God's Eternal Law mentioned there???!)
[12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
[13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
[14] For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
(There is NOTHING here that even suggests the Law of God or His 7th Day Sabbath! I have included a few more verses than you asked for.. OK?
But do you not know why God called Abe in the first place? He was NO Jew, but a gentile. He even had SOULS won to Christ in Gen. 12:5 that were gentil converts from Haran. (and what Rev. 14:6 ETERNAL GOSPEL was Abe Teaching!)
And God told Isaac in Gen. 26 why He called Abe in verses 1-5, and verse 5 FINDS EVERYTHING THAT ABE DID IN [[LOVING]] OBEDIENCE OF CHRIST/GOD'S VERBAL VOICE long before any Jew came on the scene.
And it STATES THAT.... ABE OBEYED [[MY VOICE]]! The written stone law came later.. and the forth Command started with REMEMBER!! (remember what & from where friend?) Verse 5 below tel's one if they will BELIEVE God?)
Gen. 26:5 BECAUSE ABE.. [OBEYED MY [[[VOICE]]] and [KEPT MY CHARGE], [MY COMMANDMENTS], [MY STATUES, and My laws.]
Surely God can be BELIEVED! A creation with NO LAW is what we see happening today! And it has been documented here that God had verbal Law in place even from Adam on!
And Heb. 7:1 even find'd Mel... was the priest of the most high God! again, long before the levites were formed!
--Elijah
I have no 'desire' to be vain! And if you want to dialoge, stay off [my] case & [[stick with scripture only]]!!
OK:
Is this your verse? Verse 14 was mentioned I THINK? [10] How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(this has nothing to do with the Sabbath or the Ten Commandments that Christ wrote, find circumcism there in the ten Commandments anywhere, and post it up!)
[11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
(Go read Rom. 2:25-29 & find anything about God's Eternal Law mentioned there???!)
[12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
[13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
[14] For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
(There is NOTHING here that even suggests the Law of God or His 7th Day Sabbath! I have included a few more verses than you asked for.. OK?
But do you not know why God called Abe in the first place? He was NO Jew, but a gentile. He even had SOULS won to Christ in Gen. 12:5 that were gentil converts from Haran. (and what Rev. 14:6 ETERNAL GOSPEL was Abe Teaching!)
And God told Isaac in Gen. 26 why He called Abe in verses 1-5, and verse 5 FINDS EVERYTHING THAT ABE DID IN [[LOVING]] OBEDIENCE OF CHRIST/GOD'S VERBAL VOICE long before any Jew came on the scene.
And it STATES THAT.... ABE OBEYED [[MY VOICE]]! The written stone law came later.. and the forth Command started with REMEMBER!! (remember what & from where friend?) Verse 5 below tel's one if they will BELIEVE God?)
Gen. 26:5 BECAUSE ABE.. [OBEYED MY [[[VOICE]]] and [KEPT MY CHARGE], [MY COMMANDMENTS], [MY STATUES, and My laws.]
Surely God can be BELIEVED! A creation with NO LAW is what we see happening today! And it has been documented here that God had verbal Law in place even from Adam on!
And Heb. 7:1 even find'd Mel... was the priest of the most high God! again, long before the levites were formed!
--Elijah
Dear Elijah674
I do not wish to appear rude or redundant but you have not yet attempted to answer II Cor.3:1-12. Neither have you shown where God ever told anyone to keep the sabbath before Moses. Neither have you shown where any man kept the sabbath before Moses. I shall continue to press this matter upon you until you are able to provide scriptural answers to the above or concede to the truth that you cannot do so.
I do love you and your soul but God being true I must maintain allegence to the scripture.
I do not wish to appear rude or redundant but you have not yet attempted to answer II Cor.3:1-12. Neither have you shown where God ever told anyone to keep the sabbath before Moses. Neither have you shown where any man kept the sabbath before Moses. I shall continue to press this matter upon you until you are able to provide scriptural answers to the above or concede to the truth that you cannot do so.
I do love you and your soul but God being true I must maintain allegence to the scripture.
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felix
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Elijah is unable to accept that the 10 commandments which are the words of the first covenant as in Exod 34:28 is obsolete mentioned as in Heb 8:13.
I too haven't got an answer but blamed as craftiness.
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Elijah674
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It seems that most do not know what a circumcised 'heart' is all about? And we hear of a New Covenant by them??? To be Born Again is what Heb. 8:9-10 & Heb. 10:12-17 is all about! Circumcism of the flesh was FINISHED! Nothing to do with the Lords Eternal law that is truely antichrist when taught as such!
Gal.1 (in part)
[17] Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
[18] Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
[19] But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Acts.15 (in part)
[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
[2] When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders [[about this question.]]
(Got that?? About circumcism after the law of Moses!)
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[4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
(Christ has a Church here also!)
[5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
(Again, what was the only Issue? There is [nothing] stated about the Eternal Covenant that ALL were keeping!)
[6] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. (Got that??)
[7] And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(OK: You can read the rest as you please? But this is concrete! Now lets see Gal. 3:19 for why Moses Law was given! You read it. But in Gal. 4 is more Truth about Moses law)
Gal. 4
[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
(And where does one find any of this in The Eternal Covenant that God alone Penned & then put into the Born Again Heart & Mind?? And the Acts 15 said the [only] subject considered was Circumcism and the [LAW OF MOSES]!)
And in Col. 2 (in part)
[13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[14] Blotting out the [handwriting of ordinances] that was against us, which was contrary to us, and [took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;]
(OK: This is not what
[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[16] Let no man therefore judge you [[in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:]]
(OK: All of these special days pointed to the next verse, [BUT NEVER ARE THESE THE 7th Day Sabbath of God's Heb. 13:20 Eternal Covenant!)
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
And in Deut. 31
[9] And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
[10] And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
[11] When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. ...(+ you read it!)
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[24] And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
[25] That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
[26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
(OK: let just give what 2 Cron. 8:12-13 [documents] are the commandments of Moses!)
[12] Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,
[13] Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbath s, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.
Again: Are you a Christian??? And keeping Easter, huh! Acts 12:1-4
--Elijah
To be Born Again is what Heb. 8:9-10 & Heb. 10:12-17 is all about! Circumcism of the flesh was FINISHED! Nothing to do with the Lords Eternal law that is truely antichrist when taught as such!Gal.1 (in part)
[17] Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
[18] Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
[19] But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
Acts.15 (in part)
[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
[2] When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders [[about this question.]]
(Got that?? About circumcism after the law of Moses!)
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[4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
(Christ has a Church here also!)
[5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
(Again, what was the only Issue? There is [nothing] stated about the Eternal Covenant that ALL were keeping!)
[6] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. (Got that??)
[7] And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(OK: You can read the rest as you please? But this is concrete! Now lets see Gal. 3:19 for why Moses Law was given! You read it. But in Gal. 4 is more Truth about Moses law)
Gal. 4
[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
(And where does one find any of this in The Eternal Covenant that God alone Penned & then put into the Born Again Heart & Mind?? And the Acts 15 said the [only] subject considered was Circumcism and the [LAW OF MOSES]!)
And in Col. 2 (in part)
[13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[14] Blotting out the [handwriting of ordinances] that was against us, which was contrary to us, and [took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;]
(OK: This is not what
[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[16] Let no man therefore judge you [[in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:]]
(OK: All of these special days pointed to the next verse, [BUT NEVER ARE THESE THE 7th Day Sabbath of God's Heb. 13:20 Eternal Covenant!)
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
And in Deut. 31
[9] And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.
[10] And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,
[11] When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. ...(+ you read it!)
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[24] And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
[25] That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
[26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
(OK: let just give what 2 Cron. 8:12-13 [documents] are the commandments of Moses!)
[12] Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,
[13] Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbath s, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.
Again: Are you a Christian??? And keeping Easter, huh! Acts 12:1-4
--Elijah
Hi Elijah
Yes I am a Christian and came out of the worldly life and into denominationalism and out of that into the Lord's church and now am simply a Christian only.
I continue to observe that you still use a smattering of scripture yet refuse to deal with the issue of II Cor.3:1-12 and of ANY law of God commanding the sabbath to be kept or of ANY keeping it before Moses. I DO know this: if you could answer the above you most gladly WOULD. It must be evident to all who read that you cannot. Please handle the above and I will most gladly give my attention to ANY passage, I mean ANY passage you choose.
By the way, I do not observe either Easter or Christmas, nor am I a JW. You can read what I am by simply reading your NT!
Yes I am a Christian and came out of the worldly life and into denominationalism and out of that into the Lord's church and now am simply a Christian only.
I continue to observe that you still use a smattering of scripture yet refuse to deal with the issue of II Cor.3:1-12 and of ANY law of God commanding the sabbath to be kept or of ANY keeping it before Moses. I DO know this: if you could answer the above you most gladly WOULD. It must be evident to all who read that you cannot. Please handle the above and I will most gladly give my attention to ANY passage, I mean ANY passage you choose.
By the way, I do not observe either Easter or Christmas, nor am I a JW. You can read what I am by simply reading your NT!