Sacraments...Does your church respect them?

[ttg]

Too many preachers will highlight the same thing week after week. Instead, they should cover the entire bible. Skipping parts of the bible that don't conform to their preconceived beliefs can lead to not believing important scripture.


Baptism: John 3:3, 5, & 22-23, 2nd Kings 5:14, Ezekiel 36:25, Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, 16:15 & 33, 22:16, ) Ananias tells Paul, "arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins," even though Paul was converted directly by Jesus Christ. This proves that Paul's acceptance of Jesus as personal Lord and Savior was not enough to be forgiven of his sin and saved. The sacrament of baptism is required. Romans 6:3, 1st Corinthians 1:16, 6:11, and 15:29

Reconciliation (Confession): Leviticus. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 (even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.). Matthew 3:6,18:18, 9:6 & 8, Mark 2:7, John 20:21-23, Acts 19:18, 2nd Corinthians 5:18-19, James 5:16, 1st John 1:9-10.

The Eucharist: John 6:31-70, Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:17-20, Luke 24:30-35, 1st Corinthians 10:16-17, 1st Corinthians 11:23-30.

Confirmation: Acts 8:15-18, 19:5-6, Hebrews 6:2,

Matrimony: Genesis 2:20-24, Matthew 19:5-6, Mark 10:8, Ephesians 5:22-32, Hebrews 13:4

Holy Orders: Genesis 14:18, Exodus 19:22, Psalm 110:4, Malachi 2:7, John 20:21, Acts 9:17, 13:3, 14:23, 20:28, Ephesisns 4:11, 1st THessalonians 5:12, 1st Timothy 4:14, 1st Timothy 1:6, Titus 1:5, Hebrews 5:1 & 7:17.

Annointing of the Sick: Matthew 10:8, Mark 6:13 & 18, James 5:14-16.

 

[Dalen Naskiel]

My church covers the entire Bible in a 3 year period, then repeats the cycle...

 

[Spirit Driven]

Greetings Freind,

I am always wary of doing somthing that would make me feel that I have attained a greater right standing before God than somebody else.

I would tend to shy away from somthing like that.


Grace and Peace to you

 

[jgredline]

Your list looks very religious. Very robotic. very phariseeish, so no my church does not practice what yours does.
Our Church does monthly communion according to the scriptures. Not man made stuff.
jg

 

[mutzrein]

Greetings Freind,

I am always wary of doing somthing that would make me feel that I have attained a greater right standing before God than somebody else.

I would tend to shy away from somthing like that.


Grace and Peace to you

I'm right with you there!

 

[ttg]

Your list looks very religious. Very robotic. very phariseeish, so no my church does not practice what yours does.
Our Church does monthly communion according to the scriptures. Not man made stuff.
jg

So the sacrament of communion is scripture based ( John 6:31-70, Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:17-20, Luke 24:30-35) but the others aren't?

The other sacraments also referenced. Check them out.

 

[thessalonian]

Your list looks very religious. Very robotic. very phariseeish, so no my church does not practice what yours does.
Our Church does monthly communion according to the scriptures. Not man made stuff.
jg

Where do the scriptures tell you to do it monthly? Sounds kind of robotic, phariseeish, etc. by your own definition. How is it that you are so easily able to judge the hearts and minds of those sitting in mass as being robotic zombies? :o

 

[jgredline]

Your list looks very religious. Very robotic. very phariseeish, so no my church does not practice what yours does.
Our Church does monthly communion according to the scriptures. Not man made stuff.
jg

Where do the scriptures tell you to do it monthly? Sounds kind of robotic, phariseeish, etc. by your own definition. How is it that you are so easily able to judge the hearts and minds of those sitting in mass as being robotic zombies? :o

Thess
Your right. I have aways wondered why we choose the first of the month. Tradition? I don't know. I am not going to make excuses.
I do know that our pastoral staff change it everymonth so it is never the same, but it still does take place the first of everymonth. Atleast at my church.

 

[Steve]

We celebrate the Holy Eucharist every Sunday, and some places, daily. It is Our Lord's own Service, where He said to do this in remembrance of Him, until He comes again. This is the only service that is Scriptural. It is to be held every Lord's Day; NOT on the first Sunday of the month, or quarterly, but every Sunday. I don't see anything in the NT about a "Morning Worship Service."

 

[Vic C.]

It is to be held every Lord's Day; NOT on the first Sunday of the month, or quarterly, but every Sunday.

Sorry Stevie Wonder. :-D Nothing in the text commands it be done on every Lord's day. It is really all a matter of tradition. If we really want to follow Jesus' example, it would be a once a year commemration, during Passover season. 8-)

 

[Lewis]

Sorry Stevie Wonder.

 

[Vic C.]

Steve and I go back a ways. We joined about the same time... and if anyone is better "equipped" to relate to his NY 'style', it would be me. :-D

 

[LittleNipper]

We celebrate the Holy Eucharist every Sunday, and some places, daily. It is Our Lord's own Service, where He said to do this in remembrance of Him, until He comes again. This is the only service that is Scriptural. It is to be held every Lord's Day; NOT on the first Sunday of the month, or quarterly, but every Sunday. I don't see anything in the NT about a "Morning Worship Service."

The Bible says to do this in remembrance...... I doesn't say how often to do it or what color to paint one's sanctuary.... Some churches do it once a year. I went to a college where the college church did it maybe twice in one semester. Whatever works is what I say. To make it a feast would be wrong also. Jesus never told us when to pray either. What counts seems to be that whatever is done is done because one wants to and not because one feels he has too.....

 

[Steve]

If my memory serves me correctly, the first Christians met every Lord's day for prayer and breaking of bread.'

Now, unless they were making toast, and having green eggs and ham, I'd propose that they were celebrating the Holy Eucharist.

 

[Vic C.]

I prefer bruschetta with a tomato/basil spread myself. 8-)

Steve, using an example from the Bible, do you really consider their breaking of bread to be on what we call The Lord's Day?

 

[Lewis]

If my memory serves me correctly, the first Christians met every Lord's day for prayer and breaking of bread.'

Now, unless they were making toast, and having green eggs and ham, I'd propose that they were celebrating the Holy Eucharist.

It was on Saturday' not Sunday.

 

[Vic C.]

You're not Steve! :o :-D

You are correct though, it was the eve on the first day, not quite midnight.

 

[stovebolts]

Here's yer chance Vic 8-)

Acts 20:7 :wink:

Troas was a Roman City and not a Jewish city. How can we determin if Luke is speaking of Sunday Morning as the first day of the week, or Saturday evening as the first day of the week since the city which he was refering to used the Roman calendar?

 

[Vic C.]

No, read the verse real carefully and see if a morning interpretation actually fits. It doesn't to me. I doubt Paul preached the whole day away, a day that would otherwise be better spent traveling, during daylight.

Luke was Jewish and wrote from a Jewish perspective, did he not? What difference would it make to a group of Jewish converts which city they were in, in regards to their calendar? Whenever a Jew, especially in the first century, spoke of the first day, they are referring to the day following the sabbath, which ended at sunset.

Roman customs hadn't fully infiltrated all of the known world at that time and I doubt if the Jews were obligated to keep their calendar. The notion of calling the first century 1 AD didn't not even happen for a few hundred years after His birth.

We have lost touch with our Hebrew roots. If Rome didn't have such a stranglehold on much of what we do, we would probably still be using the Hebrew calendar. Besides, it is more inline with the calendar God instituted.

 

[Vic C.]

Oh, btw, why was it "My chance" and not Lweis'? He brought it up first. :

Also, breaking bread does not automatically mean they were practicing the Lord's supper. It is how they fellowshipped. The custom of breaking bread predates Jesus.

When people speak today of "breaking bread", their meaning is clear: they are talking about dining. It surprises many to learn that the original meaning of this seemingly simple phrase, which dates back to Biblical times, actually did refer to the physical act of breaking bread. Even in days of antiquity bread was considered so essential to the maintenance of human life that there was no act more social than sharing one's bread with others. During those early days of our culture, people did not use forks and knives, but ate with their fingers. Thus, bread was never sliced, it was literally "broken" or torn apart in order to be shared.

In time, the sharing of bread became an important social ritual, and by the time of the reign of the first Kings of Israel complex rituals had evolved as to precisely who would be the first at a table to break bread, about sharing one's bread with friends and strangers, and even about sharing one's bread with enemies. So important in the area of the Holy Land was this food staple and the rituals involved in eating it that we find no less than 400 references to bread in the Old and New Testaments, and at least eighty such references in the Koran.

Nor in olden days was there a shortage of different styles of bread in the Holy Land. It is reported that during the reign of King David that there were bread stalls not only in Jerusalem but in nearly every village. Although most people ate the most common kinds of flat bread, nobles and priests could choose from among as many as forty different types of bread, some of which were raised, others flat; some round, some conical, some plaited; some made with honey, some with herbs, spices and even fruits; and others, some of which contained milk and yet others that were made with eggs.

Modern Israelis of all religions and ethnic backgrounds have maintained their love of bread. In addition to a large variety of daily breads, the national repertoire also includes a large number of breads that are destined specially for use during holiday periods.

http://www.stratsplace.com/rogov/israel ... bread.html

The bottom line for me is; I believe Jesus rose somewhere after sunset of the first day, but before sunrise. So, regardless of when Paul broke bread, it was the first day and that's fine with me no matter what calendar is being used.