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[_ Old Earth _] Scientific facts in the Bible

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"Many of the ancients believed that out planet was actually resting upon the backs of certain large animals, and some even believed that some large person, such as Atlas, was holding up planet earth. Then there were some who believed that planet earth was actually hanging from the sky by a large chain or rope.

Did the Bible-believers of yesterday believe such foolishness? Of course not, because Job 26:7 had already told them what to believe: "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

James Melton

From Science in an Ancient Book
 
I really wouldn't call the sun, nothing, as that's the closest thing we can be said to be 'suspended from.'
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
I really wouldn't call the sun, nothing, as that's the closest thing we can be said to be 'suspended from.'

The Sun isn't nothing and the quote I gave didn't say it was either.

It isn't resting on another object.

The earth is held in place by the Sun just the way God designed it.
:D
 
bibleberean said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
I really wouldn't call the sun, nothing, as that's the closest thing we can be said to be 'suspended from.'

The Sun isn't nothing and the quote I gave didn't say it was either.

It isn't resting on another object.

The earth is held in place by the Sun just the way God designed it.
:D
hangeth the earth upon nothing.
No backpedaling.
 
:D God made the moon and the Sun and the stars so that they
would sit exactly where he wanted them to be,and we know that they
are not just floating in space,amen.
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
bibleberean said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
I really wouldn't call the sun, nothing, as that's the closest thing we can be said to be 'suspended from.'

The Sun isn't nothing and the quote I gave didn't say it was either.

It isn't resting on another object.

The earth is held in place by the Sun just the way God designed it.
:D
hangeth the earth upon nothing.
No backpedaling.
This argument is weak the earth is not hung on the sun it rotates around the sun. The earth is not hanging on a single thing hence this scripture is correct. You are simply trying to devalue this scripture because it validates the bibles word and shows science is playing catch up. Thats fine but please make a decent argument.
 
will said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
bibleberean said:
SyntaxVorlon said:
I really wouldn't call the sun, nothing, as that's the closest thing we can be said to be 'suspended from.'

The Sun isn't nothing and the quote I gave didn't say it was either.

It isn't resting on another object.

The earth is held in place by the Sun just the way God designed it.
:D
hangeth the earth upon nothing.
No backpedaling.
This argument is weak the earth is not hung on the sun it rotates around the sun. The earth is not hanging on a single thing hence this scripture is correct. You are simply trying to devalue this scripture because it validates the bibles word and shows science is playing catch up. Thats fine but please make a decent argument.
The only connection one can show the earth to have to a greater object is its gravitational relationship with the sun. It's not hanging from anything, it's not hanging period, it don't-eth hangeth. It is a thin connection at best to scripture and does not reflect on any belief held by ancient canaanite hebrews of the nature of earth as a spherical orb that revolves about the sun. Science is hardly playing catch up.
 
What exactly is meant by:

"he stretcheth out the north over the empty place?"
 
"Many of the ancients believed that out planet was actually resting upon the backs of certain large animals, and some even believed that some large person, such as Atlas, was holding up planet earth. Then there were some who believed that planet earth was actually hanging from the sky by a large chain or rope."

The first post.

The point was that the common belief among many people believe the earth was resting on something.

The bible recorded acurately that the earth was in fact hanging in space.

The bible is not a scientific text book but it does not contradict science.

for instance...

Only half a millennium ago many men believed the earth was flat.

Many people thought Christopher Columbus would fall off the earth if he voyaged to far west in the Atlantic Ocean.

The bible recorded the earth as being a circle.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
 
bibleberean said:
The bible recorded the earth as being a circle.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

I've been through this argument so many times before. A circle is 2D. Either a sphere or a disk could be described as circular. Daniel and Matthew describe objects tall enough to be seen by the whole world---an impossibility on a spherical Earth, but quite possible on a disk being inhabited on it's top face. The Biblical authors, just as other ancients, believed in a flat Earth that had edges.
 
How can anyone speak for bible authors that lived thousands of years before them?

I have more respect for an atheist than a believer who casts doubt on the bible which is the source of true faith.

(and I have little respect for atheists.)

God is the author of the bible. He knew what He was doing.


Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

I find it hard to believe that the ancients thought the earth was a big flat circle.

Jesus also knew that when He returned it would be day and night on the earth at the same time.

"...The Lord Jesus Christ spoke of His Second Coming in Luke chapter seventeen. In Verse thirty-four He speaks of some people being taken at NIGHT. Then in verses thirty-five through thirty-seven He speaks of this event occurring while people are grinding at the mill and working in the field, both of which are DAYTIME activities. Therefore, the Lord Jesus Himself told us nearly two thousand years ago that the earth CAN have day and night at the same time. The greatest educated minds of that day and time didn't know this, and they wouldn't have believed it if they'd been told, but Jesus Christ clearly revealed it to all who chose to believe the word of God." James Melton Modern Science in an Ancient Book

Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Day and night at the same time.

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
 
According to the Bible, the Earth is immovable and fixed. We know that the Earth spins as it goes around the sun which goes about the galaxy as space expands. So we know this is completely wrong. Yet, to the ancients, it seemed common sense that the Earth was fixed because we feel no motion from the Earth moving.

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.â€Â

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...â€Â

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...â€Â

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.â€Â

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and hmself fixed it fast...â€Â

Quath
 
bibleberean said:
How can anyone speak for bible authors that lived thousands of years before them?
You presume to do so constantly.

God is the author of the bible. He knew what He was doing.
God inspired men to author the Bible. The Bible is our spiritual framework, not a scientific text, and God knew quite well what he was doing.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

I find it hard to believe that the ancients thought the earth was a big flat circle.
They believed that you could have a giant mountain or tree seen everwhere on Earth. This sounds just as absurd to me as the thought of a big flat circular earth. Explain to me how you can believe in a giant mountain visible from everywhere and a spherical earth.
Jesus also knew that when He returned it would be day and night on the earth at the same time.

"...The Lord Jesus Christ spoke of His Second Coming in Luke chapter seventeen. In Verse thirty-four He speaks of some people being taken at NIGHT. Then in verses thirty-five through thirty-seven He speaks of this event occurring while people are grinding at the mill and working in the field, both of which are DAYTIME activities. Therefore, the Lord Jesus Himself told us nearly two thousand years ago that the earth CAN have day and night at the same time. The greatest educated minds of that day and time didn't know this, and they wouldn't have believed it if they'd been told, but Jesus Christ clearly revealed it to all who chose to believe the word of God." James Melton Modern Science in an Ancient Book

Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Day and night at the same time.

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Strong's Number 2250

hemera {hay-mer'-ah}

1. the day, used of the natural day, or the interval between sunrise and sunset, as distinguished from and contrasted with the night
in the daytime
metaph., "the day" is regarded as the time for abstaining from indulgence, vice, crime, because acts of the sort are perpetrated at night and in darkness
2. of the civil day, or the space of twenty four hours (thus including the night)
Eastern usage of this term differs from our western usage. Any part of a day is counted as a whole day, hence the expression "three days and three nights" does not mean literally three whole days, but at least one whole day plus part of two other days.
3. of the last day of this present age, the day Christ will return from heaven, raise the dead, hold the final judgment, and perfect his kingdom
4. used of time in general, i.e. the days of his life.

You are assuming that Luke was using definition 1, and that he is therefore aware that the Earth is a sphere. However, in 4:5 Luke describes something which is physically possible on a sperical Earth. Therfore, it is much more reasonable to conclude that he thought the Earth was flat, the sun orbited around it, and that his usage of "day" in this passage was one of definitions 2-4.
 
Many skeptics and alleged Christians have a problem.

They lack biblical discemment and wisdom.

They tend to believe anything but the obvious.

Jesus knew the earth wasn't flat. He also knew that His coming would be both day and night on the earth. If Jesus didn't know these things then He wasn't God.

In Luke Jesus describes a mustard plant in a parable.

The mustard tree is supposed to be "like" the Kingdom of God. It is a represention of it. It is not the Kingdom itself.

Luke 13:18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?

Luke 13:19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.

Daniel in describing a mountain that "filled the whole earth" is describing to King Nebuchadnezzar what his dream meant. It is filled with symbols and God revealed to Daniel what the dream meant.

The mountain is the Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ which will stand forever.

All a person need do is read the bible to understand what the mountain represents.

The description of the mountain is not absurd to anyone except the scripturally unlearned.

Daniel Chapter 2 describes in detail what the Kings dream meant.

When a person get's their information from the bible instead of a skeptics or atheist source these things become clear.

Skeptics and Atheists who spend their time on a Christian forum only read the bible to refute it.

They are biased and generally don't know what they are talking about.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
Psalm 19:4-6 tells us that the sun is moving through space in an orbit.
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. [6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Job 26:7 reveals a great truth that wasn't known by science for centuries; the earth freely floats in space.
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

The Bible even knew about the jet stream long before your local weatherman!
The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. Eccles. 1:6 (KJV)
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id28.html
 
Medical Foreknowledge In The Bible

Long before groundbreaking discoveries were made in the field of medicine, the Bible had these answers contained in it’s pages. Centuries before man’s medical breakthroughs, the inspired word of the living God contained medical foreknowledge.

The Bible makes it clear that our life is in our blood. Had doctors read and meditated on the scriptures, perhaps blood-letting would not have been a common practice.

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

The Bible knew long before doctors that laughter is good for our health and can promote healing while depression can cause physical problems.

Pro 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

The Bible has strict laws in the Old Testament pertaining to food and washing. There are strict hygiene laws found throughout Leviticus. God even declared that running water should be used for washing.

God commanded the children of Israel not to eat pork.

Lev 11:7,8 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Deu 14:8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Today we know that pork that is undercooked can cause trichinosis. We also know today that consuming animal fat is bad for our circulatory (blood) system.

Lev 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

God commanded that lepers be quarantined. This was for the protection of those not infected.

Lev 13:31 And if the priest look on the plague of the scall, and, behold, it be not in sight deeper than the skin, and that there is no black hair in it; then the priest shall shut up him that hath the plague of the scall seven days:

These scriptures give further proof that the Bible is of divine origin.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psa 14:1
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id22.html
 
mhess13 said:
Medical Foreknowledge In The Bible

Long before groundbreaking discoveries were made in the field of medicine, the Bible had these answers contained in it’s pages. Centuries before man’s medical breakthroughs, the inspired word of the living God contained medical foreknowledge.

The Bible makes it clear that our life is in our blood. Had doctors read and meditated on the scriptures, perhaps blood-letting would not have been a common practice.

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

The Bible knew long before doctors that laughter is good for our health and can promote healing while depression can cause physical problems.

Pro 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

The Bible has strict laws in the Old Testament pertaining to food and washing. There are strict hygiene laws found throughout Leviticus. God even declared that running water should be used for washing.

God commanded the children of Israel not to eat pork.

Lev 11:7,8 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Deu 14:8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Today we know that pork that is undercooked can cause trichinosis. We also know today that consuming animal fat is bad for our circulatory (blood) system.

Lev 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

God commanded that lepers be quarantined. This was for the protection of those not infected.

Lev 13:31 And if the priest look on the plague of the scall, and, behold, it be not in sight deeper than the skin, and that there is no black hair in it; then the priest shall shut up him that hath the plague of the scall seven days:

These scriptures give further proof that the Bible is of divine origin.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psa 14:1
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id22.html

Good stuff! :-D
 
mhess13 said:
Psalm 19:4-6 tells us that the sun is moving through space in an orbit.
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, [5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. [6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Job 26:7 reveals a great truth that wasn't known by science for centuries; the earth freely floats in space.
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

The Bible even knew about the jet stream long before your local weatherman!
The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. Eccles. 1:6 (KJV)
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id28.html
Some of this stuff could be interesting if the Bible had not made it extremely clear that the Earth was fixed and immovable.

Quath
 
mhess13 said:
Medical Foreknowledge In The Bible

Long before groundbreaking discoveries were made in the field of medicine, the Bible had these answers contained in it’s pages. Centuries before man’s medical breakthroughs, the inspired word of the living God contained medical foreknowledge.

The Bible makes it clear that our life is in our blood. Had doctors read and meditated on the scriptures, perhaps blood-letting would not have been a common practice.

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

The Bible knew long before doctors that laughter is good for our health and can promote healing while depression can cause physical problems.

Pro 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

The Bible has strict laws in the Old Testament pertaining to food and washing. There are strict hygiene laws found throughout Leviticus. God even declared that running water should be used for washing.

God commanded the children of Israel not to eat pork.

Lev 11:7,8 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Deu 14:8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Today we know that pork that is undercooked can cause trichinosis. We also know today that consuming animal fat is bad for our circulatory (blood) system.

Lev 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

God commanded that lepers be quarantined. This was for the protection of those not infected.

Lev 13:31 And if the priest look on the plague of the scall, and, behold, it be not in sight deeper than the skin, and that there is no black hair in it; then the priest shall shut up him that hath the plague of the scall seven days:

These scriptures give further proof that the Bible is of divine origin.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psa 14:1
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id22.html

This is very interesting. I wonder what the skeptics will come up with to divert attention from these intreresting things?

I haven't see anything so far... 8-)
 
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