[_ Old Earth _] Scientific facts in the Bible

[bibleberean]

I already explained the circle.

I know that Egyptians and many people believed the earth was a sphere.

I also know many people believed the earth was flat.

That is the way, it is the way it was, and the way it will be.

Man made satellites "circle the earth". ;-)

Here is the clue I wanted you to get. :D

 

[Asimov]

I already explained the circle.

Wrongly.

I know that Egyptians and many people believed the earth was a sphere.

You mean they knew it was spherical.

I also know many people believed the earth was flat.

People such as biblical literalists.

Man made satellites "circle the earth". ;-)

Actually they orbit the earth.

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[bibleberean]

All true Christians take the bible literally.

Jesus did.

The earth is not a sphere although it is called that. Just like we call the earth round.

"God sits above the circle of the earth." It makes perfect sense unless you want to get nit picky.

Sphere

2 a : a globular body : BALL b : PLANET, STAR c (1) : a solid that is bounded by a surface consisting of all points at a given distance from a point constituting its center -- see VOLUME table (2) : the bounding surface of a sphere

2. The Figure of the Earth

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/cur ... /u015.html

Geodetic datums and the coordinate reference systems based on them were developed to describe geographic positions for surveying, mapping, and navigation.

Through a long history, the "figure of the earth" was refined from flat-earth models to spherical models of sufficient accuracy to allow global exploration, navigation and mapping.

True geodetic datums were employed only after the late 1700s when measurements showed that the earth was ellipsoidal in shape.

2.1. Geometric Earth Models

Early ideas of the figure of the earth resulted in descriptions of the earth as an oyster (The Babylonians before 3000 B.C.), a rectangular box, a circular disk, a cylindrical column, a spherical ball, and a very round pear (Columbus in the last years of his life).

Flat earth models are still used for plane surveying, over distances short enough so that earth curvature is insignificant (less than 10 kms).

Spherical earth models represent the shape of the earth with a sphere of a specified radius.

Spherical earth models are often used for short range navigation (VOR-DME) and for global distance approximations.

Spherical models fail to model the actual shape of the earth.

The slight flattening of the earth at the poles results in about a twenty kilometer difference at the poles between an average spherical radius and the measured polar radius of the earth.

Ellipsoidal earth models are required for accurate range and bearing calculations over long distances.

Loran-C, and GPS navigation receivers use ellipsoidal earth models to compute position and waypoint information.

Ellipsoidal models define an ellipsoid with an equatorial radius and a polar radius.

The best of these models can represent the shape of the earth over the smoothed, averaged sea-surface to within about one-hundred meters.

:-D

 

[Asimov]

All true Christians take the bible literally.

Jesus did.

Not only do you insult atheism, you stoop to insulting your own brothers in Christ? How amazingly close-minded.[/b]

The earth is not a sphere although it is called that. Just like we call the earth round.

Interesting, considering I called it spherical, which is not definitive of being a total sphere.

"God sits above the circle of the earth." It makes perfect sense unless you want to get nit picky.

A circle is a two dimensional object, berean, a disc. Nothing nit-picky about it.[/quote]

 

[bibleberean]

Satellites circle the earth.

Seems like the Merriam Websters Dictionary dosen't lend itself to nit picking. :-D

Main Entry: 3 orbit
transitive senses
1 : to revolve in an orbit around : CIRCLE

2 : to send up and make revolve in an orbit <orbit a satellite>
intransitive senses : to travel in circles

The bible calls atheists fools. No apologies from me.

 

[Barbarian]

A few details:

1. Eratosthenes was the first person to measure the circumference of the Earth, ca. 500 BC. But people in the Middle East knew it was a sphere long before the first mention of it as a disk in the Bible.

2. Most of the world's Christians accept that Genesis is not literal in all regards. We're seeing the "no true Scotsman" fallacy at work here.

3. A satellite does indeed circle the earth, because it's path is two-dimensional with regard to the the earth. The locus of the satellite describes a circle. A solid, described by a circle, is a disk.

 

[Asimov]

Satellites circle the earth.

Seems like the Merriam Websters Dictionary dosen't lend itself to nit picking. :-D

Main Entry: 3 orbit
transitive senses
1 : to revolve in an orbit around : CIRCLE

2 : to send up and make revolve in an orbit <orbit a satellite>
intransitive senses : to travel in circles

The bible calls atheists fools. No apologies from me.

Ok, so circle is synonymous with orbit. The satellite goes around the earth.

What is your point?

A circle is still a disc, if you interpret any other way, you're not interpreting it literally, you're interpreting it figuratively, berean.

 

[bibleberean]

The point was already made. God sits above the circle of the earth.

The bible didn't contradict the fact that the earth was round.

Is this that difficult? :

 

[cubedbee]

The point was already made. God sits above the circle of the earth.

The bible didn't contradict the fact that the earth was round.

Is this that difficult? :

The Bible doesn't contradict the fact that the earth is round. It does contradict the fact that the Earth is a sphere. If all Bible passages are taken literally, the Bible describes the Earth as a disk. From science, you know this is false, so you interpret some of the Bible passage symbolically instead of literally. This is precisely the same thing you critisize me for doing with the Genesis account. That's called hypocrisy. If Matthew 4 can be read to be symbolic, then so can Genesis 1. If neither can, then you are stuck with a disk-shaped Earth. Make up your mind.

 

[bibleberean]

The point was already made. God sits above the circle of the earth.

The bible didn't contradict the fact that the earth was round.

Is this that difficult? :

The Bible doesn't contradict the fact that the earth is round. It does contradict the fact that the Earth is a sphere. If all Bible passages are taken literally, the Bible describes the Earth as a disk. From science, you know this is false, so you interpret some of the Bible passage symbolically instead of literally. This is precisely the same thing you critisize me for doing with the Genesis account. That's called hypocrisy. If Matthew 4 can be read to be symbolic, then so can Genesis 1. If neither can, then you are stuck with a disk-shaped Earth. Make up your mind.

The bible does not contradict the fact that the earth is a sphere.

Most people who don't believe the bible think the way you do. :D

 

[cubedbee]

The point was already made. God sits above the circle of the earth.

The bible didn't contradict the fact that the earth was round.

Is this that difficult? :

The Bible doesn't contradict the fact that the earth is round. It does contradict the fact that the Earth is a sphere. If all Bible passages are taken literally, the Bible describes the Earth as a disk. From science, you know this is false, so you interpret some of the Bible passage symbolically instead of literally. This is precisely the same thing you critisize me for doing with the Genesis account. That's called hypocrisy. If Matthew 4 can be read to be symbolic, then so can Genesis 1. If neither can, then you are stuck with a disk-shaped Earth. Make up your mind.

The bible does not contradict the fact that the earth is a sphere.

The Bible does not contradict that fact that the Earth is billions of years old and that evolution has taken place.

However, a literal reading of the Bible contradicts all of these facts.

 

[bibleberean]

Psalms 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

On our planet which has a spherical surface, east and west are infinitely separated because we can travel forever either east or west without changing direction.

David's son Solomon tell us that the wind blows in circuits.The wind can blow south and then turn toward the north.

Ecclesiastes 1:6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

North and south are not separated the same way as east and west, because a southward traveler on a spherical surface will be heading north after crossing the south pole.

The bible does not contradict science.

Only skeptics that deny the bible by their panting willingness to find fault with the bible take a secular view of scripture.

When they do this they insult Christ who quotes Genesis as a literal book.

 

[Asimov]

Psalms 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

On our planet which has a spherical surface, east and west are infinitely separated because we can travel forever either east or west without changing direction.

David's son Solomon tell us that the wind blows in circuits.The wind can blow south and then turn toward the north.

Ecclesiastes 1:6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

North and south are not separated the same way as east and west, because a southward traveler on a spherical surface will be heading north after crossing the south pole.

The bible does not contradict science.

Only skeptics that deny the bible by their panting willingness to find fault with the bible take a secular view of scripture.

When they do this they insult Christ who quotes Genesis as a literal book.

Sounds like you enjoy interpreting this "obviously literal" book figuratively, berean.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

The point was already made. God sits above the circle of the earth.

The bible didn't contradict the fact that the earth was round.

Is this that difficult? :

Nor does it contradict that it is a flat disk, or the face of a cylinder.

 

[bibleberean]

Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

Phew, good thing I love a good logic puzzle then.

 

[Guest]

Berean, a circle is not a sphere, it is a disc. The Bible supports a round disc-like earth.[/b]

8-) Quath, a circle is not limited to a disk like object,ect....
thats so silly! Where does the bible mention the earth is a disk?
Please support your claims.

 

[bibleberean]

Did someone miss the fact that "God sits above the circle of the earth and that east and west cannot meet, while north and south end, points to a sphere shape? :

:D :D :D :D :D :D

 

[Guest]

Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

Phew, good thing I love a good logic puzzle then.

In what logic? The logic of mere man or the living God?
Man can't even predict how long he will live,much less
what will happen in any given day,yet he thinks he is
better and smarter than God?
It's even sillier to think there is not even a God.
Whose logic do you depend on?

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Berean, a circle is not a sphere, it is a disc. The Bible supports a round disc-like earth.[/b]

8-) Quath, a circle is not limited to a disk like object,ect....
thats so silly! Where does the bible mention the earth is a disk?
Please support your claims.

---->bibleberean wrote:
The point was already made. God sits above the circle of the earth.

The bible didn't contradict the fact that the earth was round.

Is this that difficult? icon_lol.gif

Nor does it contradict that it is a flat disk, or the face of a cylinder.