[_ Old Earth _] Scientists against evolution

[armed2010]

According to some, evolutionary science is such nonsense, and flies in the face of things like logic, common sense and the second law of thermodynamics. These individuals would have you believe that evolution is the subject of considerable controversy in scientific arenas. Certainly, if evolution broke the laws of physics, wouldn't physicists have mentioned this to biologists some time ago.

How do these individuals explain that most major universities have entire departments dedicated to the study of evolution. Hundreds of scientists, millions of dollars in research, entire buildings, thousands of students. Wow. Are they all deluded? Are they all stupid? All these highly educated people?


Here is a brief list of some very hightly rated schools that have a "dept of evolution". How do you explain this without dismissing them all as "secular schools" (even though they all have theology departments as well), or by quoting scripture that says stuff like "professing themselves to be wise they became fools", or "many will be deceived in the end times by the Beast".

Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Princeton University
http://www.eeb.princeton.edu/

Harvard University - Department of Organismic & Evolutionary Biology
http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/

Cornell universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.eeb.cornell.edu

Rice Universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eeb.rice.edu/

University of California, Irvine Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
ecoevo.bio.uci.edu

UCLA Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.eeb.ucla.edu/



Yale Department of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology
http://www.eeb.yale.edu

The Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eebweb.arizona.edu/

Oxford, Evolutionary BIology Group
evolve.zoo.ox.ac.uk

University of Tennessee, Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eeb.bio.utk.edu/

Tulane University Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.tulane.edu

Brown University Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/EEB/








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No. Because the single bigeest fear in people is admitting they're wrong. Again, it is simply a fact that one species cannot simply change into another species without being able to breed with that species. It has never been witnessed in realit or is provable at all. They are simply man-made scenarios. It is also a fact that apes and humans cannot interbreed. So evolutionists either do not know these facts or they're openly lying about them to save their pride. And since they have received degrees, I hardly doubt they are that ignorant of these facts, so they are simply lying about them to save their own pride. :wink:

Carico, you are suggesting that thousands upon thousands of scientists are part of some huge conspiracy?

 

[armed2010]

It is also a law of ophysics, biology, and reproduction, (God's laws) that all descendants are capable of breeding with their ancestors, (regardless of whether or not they want to). But evolutionists try to go against those laws when claiming that humans are desendants of apes. So they are clearly violating the laws of physics, reporoduction, and biology by claiming that humans are desendants of apes. But do they care? No, which means they are not interested in the truth, but only in defying God. This again is the degree that men will lie to claim that God doesn't exist. :wink:

Could you explain how being decendants of apes goes against the laws of phyiscs?

 

[kellivision]

It is also a law of ophysics, biology, and reproduction, (God's laws)

Ophysics? Never heard of it. :P

that all descendants are capable of breeding with their ancestors, (regardless of whether or not they want to).

First of all, you'ld have to showus the laws of physics, biology, reproduction (there's a law of reproduction?), and law of God that states: "descendants are capable of breeding with their ancestors".

Also, do you really want to go down the path you've chosen? Do you really want to stick with your position that "all descendants are capable breeding with their ancestors"? Seriously?

But evolutionists try to go against those laws when claiming that humans are desendants of apes. So they are clearly violating the laws of physics, reporoduction, and biology by claiming that humans are desendants of apes. But do they care? No, which means they are not interested in the truth, but only in defying God. This again is the degree that men will lie to claim that God doesn't exist.

I'm having a hard time taking the above seriously, if it was posted by anybody else, I'ld have invoked Poe's law.

Anyway, once again I'll ask that you provide the laws of physics, reproduction, and biology, tht say what you've claimed. If you can't provide them, should that be taken as the "degree that men/women will lie to claim that evolution doesn't occur"?

 

[Oran_Taran]

Again, it is simply a fact that one species cannot simply change into another species without being able to breed with that species. It has never been witnessed in realit or is provable at all.

You're talking about macro-evolution, aka speciation right?
sigh. That drives me crazy. You state as if everything you thought was a fact. Oh well.
here- http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
and if you don't accept what evolutionary biologists have to say, here's even CREATIONISTS accepting the fact that speciation HAS been observed.

About 100 years ago, bird-biting mosquitoes called Culex pipiens entered the tunnels then being dug for the London Underground (the ‘Tube’). Cut off from their normal diet, they changed their habits to feed on rats and, when available, human beings. During WW2, they attacked Londoners seeking refuge from Hitler’s bombs. Their plaguing of maintenance workers may be the reason the underground variety has been dubbed molestus.

British scientists have now found that it is almost impossible to mate those in the Tube with the ones still living above ground, thus suggesting that they have become a new species1

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... biters.asp
of course, they totally misinterpret everything. The point is that speciation did occur.

 

[Oran_Taran]

Again, it is simply a fact that one species cannot simply change into another species without being able to breed with that species. It has never been witnessed in realit or is provable at all.

You're talking about macro-evolution, aka speciation right?
sigh. That drives me crazy. You state as if everything you thought was a fact. Oh well.
here- http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
and if you don't accept what evolutionary biologists have to say, here's even CREATIONISTS accepting the fact that speciation HAS been observed.

About 100 years ago, bird-biting mosquitoes called Culex pipiens entered the tunnels then being dug for the London Underground (the ‘Tube’). Cut off from their normal diet, they changed their habits to feed on rats and, when available, human beings. During WW2, they attacked Londoners seeking refuge from Hitler’s bombs. Their plaguing of maintenance workers may be the reason the underground variety has been dubbed molestus.

British scientists have now found that it is almost impossible to mate those in the Tube with the ones still living above ground, thus suggesting that they have become a new species1

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... biters.asp
of course, they totally misinterpret everything. The point is that speciation did occur.

 

[armed2010]

According to some, evolutionary science is such nonsense, and flies in the face of things like logic, common sense and the second law of thermodynamics. These individuals would have you believe that evolution is the subject of considerable controversy in scientific arenas. Certainly, if evolution broke the laws of physics, wouldn't physicists have mentioned this to biologists some time ago.

How do these individuals explain that most major universities have entire departments dedicated to the study of evolution. Hundreds of scientists, millions of dollars in research, entire buildings, thousands of students. Wow. Are they all deluded? Are they all stupid? All these highly educated people?


Here is a brief list of some very hightly rated schools that have a "dept of evolution". How do you explain this without dismissing them all as "secular schools" (even though they all have theology departments as well), or by quoting scripture that says stuff like "professing themselves to be wise they became fools", or "many will be deceived in the end times by the Beast".

Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Princeton University
http://www.eeb.princeton.edu/

Harvard University - Department of Organismic & Evolutionary Biology
http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/

Cornell universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.eeb.cornell.edu

Rice Universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eeb.rice.edu/

University of California, Irvine Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
ecoevo.bio.uci.edu

UCLA Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.eeb.ucla.edu/



Yale Department of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology
http://www.eeb.yale.edu

The Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eebweb.arizona.edu/

Oxford, Evolutionary BIology Group
evolve.zoo.ox.ac.uk

University of Tennessee, Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eeb.bio.utk.edu/

Tulane University Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.tulane.edu

Brown University Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/EEB/








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No. Because the single bigeest fear in people is admitting they're wrong. Again, it is simply a fact that one species cannot simply change into another species without being able to breed with that species. It has never been witnessed in realit or is provable at all. They are simply man-made scenarios. It is also a fact that apes and humans cannot interbreed. So evolutionists either do not know these facts or they're openly lying about them to save their pride. And since they have received degrees, I hardly doubt they are that ignorant of these facts, so they are simply lying about them to save their own pride. :wink:

So Evolution is a giant conspiracy by thousands upon thousands of scientists, and kept afloat only because each one of them figured out that Evolution was wrong, but said "Hmm, I could win a nobel prize for showing Evolution to be incorrect, but I'd rather not. Instead I will just tell people it's real, because I don't want to look stupid."

 

[kellivision]

It is also a law of ophysics, biology, and reproduction, (God's laws)

Ophysics? Never heard of it. :P

that all descendants are capable of breeding with their ancestors, (regardless of whether or not they want to).

First of all, you'ld have to showus the laws of physics, biology, reproduction (there's a law of reproduction?), and law of God that states: "descendants are capable of breeding with their ancestors".

Also, do you really want to go down the path you've chosen? Do you really want to stick with your position that "all descendants are capable breeding with their ancestors"? Seriously?

But evolutionists try to go against those laws when claiming that humans are desendants of apes. So they are clearly violating the laws of physics, reporoduction, and biology by claiming that humans are desendants of apes. But do they care? No, which means they are not interested in the truth, but only in defying God. This again is the degree that men will lie to claim that God doesn't exist.

I'm having a hard time taking the above seriously, if it was posted by anybody else, I'ld have invoked Poe's law.

Anyway, once again I'll ask that you provide the laws of physics, reproduction, and biology, tht say what you've claimed. If you can't provide them, should that be taken as the "degree that men/women will lie to claim that evolution doesn't occur"?

 

[Frost Giant]

Clearly Heidi has never heard of ring species.

 

[kellivision]

It is also a law of ophysics, biology, and reproduction, (God's laws)

Ophysics? Never heard of it. :P

that all descendants are capable of breeding with their ancestors, (regardless of whether or not they want to).

First of all, you'ld have to showus the laws of physics, biology, reproduction (there's a law of reproduction?), and law of God that states: "descendants are capable of breeding with their ancestors".

Also, do you really want to go down the path you've chosen? Do you really want to stick with your position that "all descendants are capable breeding with their ancestors"? Seriously?

But evolutionists try to go against those laws when claiming that humans are desendants of apes. So they are clearly violating the laws of physics, reporoduction, and biology by claiming that humans are desendants of apes. But do they care? No, which means they are not interested in the truth, but only in defying God. This again is the degree that men will lie to claim that God doesn't exist.

I'm having a hard time taking the above seriously, if it was posted by anybody else, I'ld have invoked Poe's law.

Anyway, once again I'll ask that you provide the laws of physics, reproduction, and biology, tht say what you've claimed. If you can't provide them, should that be taken as the "degree that men/women will lie to claim that evolution doesn't occur"?

 

[army_of_juan]

No. Because the single bigeest fear in people is admitting they're wrong.

This is definitely the case with you.

Again, it is simply a fact that one species cannot simply change into another species without being able to breed with that species. It has never been witnessed in realit or is provable at all. They are simply man-made scenarios.

New species appear in nature all the time, is God just poofing them into existence now as we speak?

It is also a fact that apes and humans cannot interbreed.

Wow, you've been corrected on this thousands of time and yet still screw it up. You are either a slow learner or just don't read any of the replies to your post.

So evolutionists either do not know these facts or they're openly lying about them to save their pride.

LOL, it's more like you don't know any facts and are totally clueless on the subject which you have shown on these forums time and time again.

And since they have received degrees, I hardly doubt they are that ignorant of these facts, so they are simply lying about them to save their own pride. :wink:

Are you serious?

Because the single biggest fear in Heidi is admitting She's wrong.

Had to fix this quote.

 

[MrVersatile48]

As it happens, true speciation is MICRO-evolution - developments 'after their kind' as in Genesis

See http://www.creationism.org & http://www.discovery.org/csc for comprehensive menus of articles & books by top scientists

Having just had a FAB day at http://www.chesterzoo.org my faith in God was strengthened even more in that not 1 evo-loopy tried to challenge my audio presentations of Intelligent Design at the best acoustic spots, & by hoding Dr Jonathan Sarfati's 'Refuting Evolution 2' to the window of the overhead monorail so the sun caught it

Train home was delayed, so I uswd the acoustics of Bache Station to reach Morrisons busy car park & the high street tunnel passers by - again, no-one tried to challenge me, even tho I positioned myself to show the book to all windows of the train home & walked thru smiliong in case any wanted to chat

The Nuty Prof, Richard Dorky Dawkins, whose Darwin drivel evo-loopy-p- I demolished on BBC Radio Merseyside last Tues lunch-time, after his interview there, wil again prove his insane arrogance on Chanel 4 @ 8pm

I gave Bootle Christian Centre lending library both the above book & The Revised & Expanded Answers Book by http://www.AnswersInGenesis.org team of top scientists - both books with highlights marked

If 15+ go to Chester Zoo, it's only £7.50 each (usually £10.50)

Also, those who only go to zoos in the heat of summer take twice as long to do the tour, can't see as much for the packed crowds, & see very lethargic animals

If you go when it's cool, all the animals are frolicking merrily - so you see the individual design details so lovingly & ingeniously thought out by the most brilliant brain in the Universe - it's Almighty Creator

See my poem, 'All The Wonder Of The Universe' @ the poetry part here:-

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18462

I posted 9 other lyrics there in Nov, & only @ 12 others have entered things since, so do pray for inspiration for many this cold winter as so many folk stuck are indoors so long, yes? 8-)

I case my rest :wink:

Tired but happy... :-D

 

[Oran_Taran]

As it happens, true speciation is MICRO-evolution -

again, peple trying to change the definition of something in order to disprove it.
here's the definition of microevolution:
"Change within species; relatively minor change in the composition of a species' gene pool with time."-talkorigins.com
definition of macroevolution:
"large scale change in organisms resulting in new species, genera, families, etc."

By the very definitions, speciation IS macroevolution.

The Nuty Prof, Richard Dorky Dawkins, whose Darwin drivel evo-loopy-p-

Do you REALLY have to keep using "nuty" "drivel" "evo-loopy-p-" (whatever that means)?