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sexaul sin in the churches

Rollo Tamasi

Rollo Tamasi

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Well, now that we have several homosexauls in the family, this very Roman Catholic family supports homosexauls as being okay.
They all believe that my wife and I are going to hell because we are the only ones not Roman Catholic.
Now that's my wife's family.
Now my family is very Irish Catholic with some of them gone astray to various cults.
Some of them are homosexauls now and the family supports them.
My wife and I have told them all so many times, but if we open our mouths again, it will be all out hatred war.
I just avoid my family and my wife must choose for herself what to do.
I spent my day yesterday with her family and that's enough for me.
homosexauls? Yes.
Born again Christians? No.
 
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Christ said that all men will hate you for my sake, and that He had come to bring division within families (Mt 10:34-37). So there you have it.
 
It can and it should always be difficult to divide from one's family, brother. From the day of my conversion I have been considered the out of sinc one and, of course, they are right, I, like you, am out of the loop the World runs on. You and your Chosen Mate have chosen the Better Way, "The Way" and it upsets people when a man or a woman seek the One True God and not that little replica of some unknown dude pictured on a gold or a silver cross.

Yoyu have sought after the god that lives, not around your kneck, not on a shelf, a special shelf, in the Living Room and not the god molded from plastic or stone that lives in the Dresser Drawer. No, you my friend are guilty, guilty, guilty!

You are guilty of serving the Only True God of Creation and He does, indeed divide good form bad and family from family. It is of very small consequence but I will greet you in Heaven... just after you are through in the Throne Room.

God has and God will bless all of you. AMEN!
 
With the latest pile of manure coming out of Joel Olsteen's mouth it isn't going to get any easier either.

Those few of us who hold to the teachings of Jesus and his Father are a true minority.

The teachings and calf that Jeroboam, Son of Nebat taught God put up with for a long time... Till it was over.

There's more to come.... And it ain't gonna be pretty.

My family, including my in-laws, don't expect any other positions from me except what is right. And there are a few running about. I make no apologies either.

But at the same time my wife is deliriously happy in her marriage to me. There's no duality. I'm a treasured son in law.
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
Well, now that we have several homosexauls in the family, this very Roman Catholic family supports homosexauls as being okay.
They all believe that my wife and I are going to hell because we are the only ones not Roman Catholic.
Now that's my wife's family.
Now my family is very Irish Catholic with some of them gone astray to various cults.
Some of them are homosexauls now and the family supports them.
My wife and I have told them all so many times, but if we open our mouths again, it will be all out hatred war.
I just avoid my family and my wife must choose for herself what to do.
I spent my day yesterday with her family and that's enough for me.
homosexauls? Yes.
Born again Christians? No.
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Hi Rollo
I can tell you that members of the church you mention above are very self-righteous most of the time, and I've figured out why. Who wouldn't be if they were told all their lives that they are members of the one, true church?
All other churches have SOME truth, but they don't have the full truth. In fact, they once believed anyone outside the church was lost and will give you some mumbo jumbo about what it really meant since it would be impossible to pull the wool over anyones eyes today. I wonder sometimes if God knows He's of a particular denomination.

Not much preaching going on there either. It's all about love. How we're all to love each other. So it seems to stand to reason that you have to love everyone. And if you love them, why would you tell them they're wrong? See. Another problem is that they teach that you're not to judge. If you can't judge, how do you judge? See. In fact, if you judge YOU'RE the bad guy. I have a couple of friends who are horrified at the idea and are homophobic. I have a couple of friends who tell me it's okay since, after all, they love each other and God is love. Funny, they go to the same church.

Feels like a losing battle, doesn't it Rollo? I don't know your family and so cannot make any remark. I know that we should make an effort to get along with our family. I know we're to hate the sin and love the sinner, I know that we could proclaim God's word but it will not be accepted by all. I know that it's difficult sometimes to be members of the world. And, I know that we are IN the world but not OF the world.

So put all that together and what do you get?

If you figure it out, let me know.
I can't.

Wondering
 
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JohnDB said:
But at the same time my wife is deliriously happy in her marriage to me. There's no duality. I'm a treasured son in law.
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Very glad to hear that. You are blessed. But the Lord has generally brought division within families, because light and darkness cannot have fellowship. That's what Scripture says.
 
It sounds like the enemy is playing the family card to try'n bring you down.

If you become accepting of the homosexauls in effort to keep the peace in the family, it would leave you in the precarious position that the heterosexual residents of Sodom & Gomorrah were in...and we know what happened to them.
 
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Maybe it would be better to keep it simple, so drop the sin part since everybody commits sin and it's all the same in the eyes of God.
Start with the simple question of "Why do you Hate God for"?
 
JohnDB said:
With the latest pile of manure coming out of Joel Olsteen's mouth it isn't going to get any easier either.

Those few of us who hold to the teachings of Jesus and his Father are a true minority.

The teachings and calf that Jeroboam, Son of Nebat taught God put up with for a long time... Till it was over.

There's more to come.... And it ain't gonna be pretty.

My family, including my in-laws, don't expect any other positions from me except what is right. And there are a few running about. I make no apologies either.

But at the same time my wife is deliriously happy in her marriage to me. There's no duality. I'm a treasured son in law.
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Hello John,
I live within an easy drive of Joel's church and it, truly, is his church and not God's. When any mention is made of the abortion he has made of his earthly father's ministry efforts is mentioned locally and I bring out what I know, there is always agreement. On the other hand, on the web when I mention the Managing Structure of that Den of Satan's Disciples, people just explode at the very mention of the truth that God seeking people serve very short tenures within that assembly.

Doc Holiday, a friend of mine, when he and his wife attended there was often featured doing special music. Doc is a huge black man with a baritone that made mine sound small and being a handsome man, just ask his wife, he presented the perfect image for the assembly on television.

For all the wrong reasons, Doc ignored the homosexual leadership until one day God convicted him of his part in ignoring the sin. Doc and his wife have left there but the homosexual leadership has not and if Joel wants his world wide platform to remain in place he will not upset their apple cart, and of course he loves the money!
 
Well you know the direct words of Jesus Christ and the Apostles, the are found in the bible, so you dont need to worry about what anyone else thinks. What is written is written and knowone can argue the direct words of Christ and the founding church Apostles. What they say they say.

Exodus 20:4

Matthew 12:46-50

Matthew 23:9

Romans 1:27
 
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There is a difference between hating the sin and hating the sinner. We all sin and fall short of God's grace. Christ died for the sins of all, we all are a work in progress, and we all must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I recognize homosexuality as a sin, but I will give up on no man while God's grace is at work calling us to righteousness.
 
Hmmmm....I don't know what to say. Holding fast to Scripture and sound doctrine clearly causes conflict, as just about every poster above me has pointed out, lol. I also don't get Catholics. The Church is officially not down with the gay lifestyle, but many work-a-day Catholics shrug it off or go the way of "gay-affirming..." and yet, they're still considered Catholics. Weird.

The gay thing is becoming divisive all over. I'm prone to gay-ness, but I'm pursuing celibacy. That's...oddly enough...the old school Catholic approach. Anyway, I've lost "friends" because I've chosen not to pursue the gay life any further. I don't know if its actually the gay thing, or if the gay issue is just...well, just the latest issue to chip away at sound doctrine. The gender disorder/trans issue is the next Big Thing, and I think its going to make the sodomy issue look like child's play in comparison.

Ramble ramble...speak the Truth in love. Discernment, not judgment. I'm probably just repeating things you already know and practice. I get the sense that, if it wasn't for my "Schizophrenia" or "Bipolar I," my knowledge of and growing faith in (traditional, Scripturally-sound, or so I hope...) Jesus would be causing some friction in my own family unit. :-( You're not alone.
 
Mike S said:
There is a difference between hating the sin and hating the sinner. We all sin and fall short of God's grace. Christ died for the sins of all, we all are a work in progress, and we all must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I recognize homosexuality as a sin, but I will give up on no man while God's grace is at work calling us to righteousness.
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Mike, You know I feel the same need to fulfill our mission but circumstances also matter and in a case such as Joel's organization, pretending to preach the truth, we must never forget the real lesson taught by Jesus in the early verses of Chapter Seven of Matthew.

I have been beaten to death with people inside and outside the Church with people ripping the first verse from it's context and then raping the scripture with the twisting, turning and bending telling me that I will go to Hell for judging truth from lie. And Joel's assembly is not teaching scripture but he is pushing rich homosexuals to the top and he is lying to them about their sin for his personal good, good on this earth.
 
You have to speak the truth in Love, and if a brother is sinning they are suppose to be told, but these days the truth in this PC world has near gone. Its all peoples included and all religions and doctrines are the path to heaven so lets all shake hands and make peace.

My belief is there is only one path and its narrow.
 
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Hmmmm....I don't know what to say. Holding fast to Scripture and sound doctrine clearly causes conflict, as just about every poster above me has pointed out, lol. I also don't get Catholics. The Church is officially not down with the gay lifestyle, but many work-a-day Catholics shrug it off or go the way of "gay-affirming..." and yet, they're still considered Catholics. Weird.

The gay thing is becoming divisive all over. I'm prone to gay-ness, but I'm pursuing celibacy. That's...oddly enough...the old school Catholic approach. Anyway, I've lost "friends" because I've chosen not to pursue the gay life any further. I don't know if its actually the gay thing, or if the gay issue is just...well, just the latest issue to chip away at sound doctrine. The gender disorder/trans issue is the next Big Thing, and I think its going to make the sodomy issue look like child's play in comparison.

Ramble ramble...speak the Truth in love. Discernment, not judgment. I'm probably just repeating things you already know and practice. I get the sense that, if it wasn't for my "Schizophrenia" or "Bipolar I," my knowledge of and growing faith in (traditional, Scripturally-sound, or so I hope...) Jesus would be causing some friction in my own family unit. :-( You're not alone.
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Discernment is good judgment and Jesus said,
Mat 7:15 `But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep's clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 From their fruits ye shall know them; do men gather from thorns grapes? or from thistles figs?
Mat 7:17 so every good tree doth yield good fruits, but the bad tree doth yield evil fruits.
Mat 7:18 A good tree is not able to yield evil fruits, nor a bad tree to yield good fruits.
Mat 7:19 Every tree not yielding good fruit is cut down and is cast to fire:
Mat 7:20 therefore from their fruits ye shall know them. (YLT)

Jesus, here, is shedding light on that first paragraph and the two coupled command our just judgment.
 
Mike S said:
There is a difference between hating the sin and hating the sinner. We all sin and fall short of God's grace. Christ died for the sins of all, we all are a work in progress, and we all must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I recognize homosexuality as a sin, but I will give up on no man while God's grace is at work calling us to righteousness.
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I like Kiwidan's reply at post 13.
And also yours.
It's this continuity in sin, or "ongoing" sin that has always baffled me. What's the difference??
A gender problem is not a one time sin - it's ongoing. I understand that.
What about a gossiper? You confess it, but isn't it ongoing? Or someone who steals, or someone who curses, etc.
We're a work in progress - okay - but what makes sin "ongoing"? I do like how Kiwidan explained it. Another way would be to say that it's a lifestyle. But isn't all sin a lifestyle? Part of your life.

Just to add. I had friends that were living together from when they were young. They're in their 60's now.
Not in the immediate family like Rollo so I know that makes a big difference - having to face it all the time.
They were the nicest people - would never consider "marriage", conservative in every other way; not in your face about it. They knew my position. And it ended there. The Holy Spirit has to convict, not us. We could only proclaim. Maybe there's not even a belief in God there. Isn't THAT an ongoing sin? How many unbelievers do we know?

Wondering
 
kiwidan said:
You have to speak the truth in Love, and if a brother is sinning they are suppose to be told, but these days the truth in this PC world has near gone. Its all peoples included and all religions and doctrines are the path to heaven so lets all shake hands and make peace.

My belied is there is only one path and its conditional.
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You're so right Kiwidan.
There's no objective truth anymore. It's all subjective - subjective to what each person believes to be right.
What happened?
We started to accept sin more and more. God was taken out of the picture. The post modern era reigns. God is not necessary anymore.
Christians (and christian-like beliefs) were in the majority once, now it's the minority. We're becoming a smaller and smaller remnant.

Wondering
 
th1b.taylor said:
Mike, You know I feel the same need to fulfill our mission but circumstances also matter and in a case such as Joel's organization, pretending to preach the truth, we must never forget the real lesson taught by Jesus in the early verses of Chapter Seven of Matthew.

I have been beaten to death with people inside and outside the Church with people ripping the first verse from it's context and then raping the scripture with the twisting, turning and bending telling me that I will go to Hell for judging truth from lie. And Joel's assembly is not teaching scripture but he is pushing rich homosexuals to the top and he is lying to them about their sin for his personal good, good on this earth.
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I can't pretend to comment on Joel Osteen from authority, I know very little about him. I was speaking for myself and my church. We do not justify homosexuality, we condemn it as a sin. But, God work's His will in all of us, He is not done with us yet. If a gay man repents his sin and on Christ as his savior, he is welcome to kneel next to me at the foot of the cross.
 
th1b.taylor said:
Mike, You know I feel the same need to fulfill our mission but circumstances also matter and in a case such as Joel's organization, pretending to preach the truth, we must never forget the real lesson taught by Jesus in the early verses of Chapter Seven of Matthew.

I have been beaten to death with people inside and outside the Church with people ripping the first verse from it's context and then raping the scripture with the twisting, turning and bending telling me that I will go to Hell for judging truth from lie. And Joel's assembly is not teaching scripture but he is pushing rich homosexuals to the top and he is lying to them about their sin for his personal good, good on this earth.
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I have heard Joel admit he does not believe he is called to preach scripture, he also will not acknowledge the verses when confronted with 'knowone comes to the Father but through me' and whoever does not have the Son does not have the Father. His excuse was 'well I dont think its my right to say or judge who goes to heaven and who doesnt', he would not stand up boldly to the Gospel and say Christ is the only way.
 
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