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sexaul sin in the churches

Love your homosexual neighbors and treat them with respect, but don't allow them to pervert your churches or families.

We turned our heads in the Church years ago and allowed homosexuals to infiltrate our priesthood, with the predictable results of this heinous sin, the huge pedophile scandal that we are still reeling from. Hold the line, my Protestant brothers, you in the Conservative Protestant churches are the last line of defense. Don't make the mistake we did and look the other way thinking that it will all be okay.
 
kiwidan said:
I hace heard Joel admit he does not believe he is called to preach scripture, he also will not acknowledge the verses when confronted with 'knowone comes to the Father but through me' and whoever does not have the Son does not have the Father. His excuse was 'well I dont think its my right to say or judge who goes to heaven and who doesnt', he would not stand up boldly to the Gospel and say Christ is the only way.
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Maybe he's not Christian?
Maybe he's of the Baha'i faith?

W
 
antipasta said:
Love your homosexual neighbors and treat them with respect, but don't allow them to pervert your churches or families.

We turned our heads in the Church years ago and allowed homosexuals to infiltrate our priesthood, with the predictable results of this heinous sin, the huge pedophile scandal that we are still reeling from. Hold the line, my Protestant brothers, you in the Conservative Protestant churches are the last line of defense. Don't make the mistake we did and look the other way thinking that it will all be okay.
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My dear Antipasta,
There's more going on than that. As you might know.
We've allowed A LOT to infiltrate. The results are obvious to all.
A lot of good it does to have a magisterium in Rome if no one pays heed to it.
A lot of good it does to have the CCC if its pages are not believed to be truth by many clergy.
I'll stop there since I don't consider myself to be of that church anymore.

W
 
antipasta said:
Love your homosexual neighbors and treat them with respect, but don't allow them to pervert your churches or families.

We turned our heads in the Church years ago and allowed homosexuals to infiltrate our priesthood, with the predictable results of this heinous sin, the huge pedophile scandal that we are still reeling from. Hold the line, my Protestant brothers, you in the Conservative Protestant churches are the last line of defense. Don't make the mistake we did and look the other way thinking that it will all be okay.
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Antipasta, we actually have quite a struggle going on in our Methodist denomination, with some of our American jurisdictions pushing to welcome same-sex marriage and ordination of actively gay clergy. Fortunately, the Methodist Church is a global church with the fastest growing areas in Africa and Asia. Those jurisdictions will never allow a change in our doctrine. If I feared otherwise, I wouldn't stay in the Methodist church. We have to stand firm and defend our faith.
 
I used to think the term "gay agenda" was nonsense paranoid Christians had made up. This was back when I was actively gay. My (so-called) friends and I would joke "yeah, all us gay dudes get together in secret meetings and set an agenda!" That was then. Now...

...I don't know about a top secret "gay agenda," but Satan knows how to work through the right people at the right times to accomplish his ends. When I was a gay teenager, I think Will+Grace was considered somewhat novel. Now, 10+ years later, I'm trying to be celibate and Will+Grace is mild in comparison to what mainstream pop culture is pumping out. Its crazy. I think I read somewhere that its called "culture jamming" or something like that...you can mainstream just about anything with enough $$$ and media access.
 
This thread goes far beyond homosexauls.
It cuts right to the core of sin in one's life, sin in the whole family, openly sinning in front of everyone as a lifestyle.
Since everyone is doing something, it's best to support everyone else's sin so no one says anything about your sin.

I have a great niece (about 22 years old), she puts a picture on facebook almost naked showing her tattoos on her bum.
She gets about 20 positive comments and about 70 likes, many from family members.
And my sister, the grandmother, brags to everyone how beautiful she is.
And she's the one who says "I know Jesus, now change the subject".

I'm not talking about what a church does, but rather what people do.
 
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Rollo Tamasi said:
This thread goes far beyond homosexauls.
It cuts right to the core of sin in one's life, sin in the whole family, openly sinning in front of everyone as a lifestyle.
Since everyone is doing something, it's best to support everyone else's sin so no one says anything about your sin.

I have a great niece (about 22 years old), she puts a picture on facebook almost naked showing her tattoos on her bum.
She gets about 20 positive comments and about 70 likes, many from family members.
And my sister, the grandmother, brags to everyone how beautiful she is.
And she's the one who says "I know Jesus, now change the subject".

I'm not talking about what a church does, but rather what people do.
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Rollo
You've just painted a picture of the present day world.
We've truly lost our way.
We accept things that were not THINKABLE when I was growing up.
It makes you feel more and more like you don't belong.
Know what? I'm GLAD I don't belong.
I make an effort to teach my granddaughter the right things. I hope they sink in. Because she's going to have a tough time because most will not be in her camp. The other one has a problem. She loves Jesus and is protected in many ways by this problem.
This is all we could do Rollo. We can't control the world.
Satan likes to get his split hooves into everything, and it's working.
Let's not despair. After the end of every civilization, there's been a comeback.
Maybe it's the end of something. Once you've gone so far, you can't go any farther.

W
 
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wondering said:
Let's not despair. After the end of every civilization, there's been a comeback.
Maybe it's the end of something. Once you've gone so far, you can't go any farther.

W
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God always maintains a righteous remnant. Our task is much like Elijah's, to raise up a generation of sons and daughters of prophets.
 
wondering said:
Some people who sin love God.

W
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I've been married for 40 years and have 4 kids.
If I proclaim to love my wife & then Sin against her by cheating on her, how can I say I love her?
My actions would be against the Covenant we made with each other. Why would I want to hurt her?
There is no Love in willfully sinning against God, it's either Hate or ya just don't care no longer, which isn't the action of Love.

Society distorts the meaning of Love nowdays til it has no meaning.
 
We want Christianity to help us with our lives to make life easier.

From "name it claim it" theology to the prayer of Jabez we wish for the "good life" of riches, possessions, and respect/admiration of others.

The truth is really different from that.
We've been spoiled rotten by the majority of people agreeable to Christian principles.
That day has gone.
Now we get the joys of the fellowship of suffering and persecution. (Which the true remnant has always enjoyed over cultural Christianity anyway)

As time marches on I expect the church to shrink back to approximately 5% or less of the population. With most having a type of religious affiliation that bears no resemblance to what the Gospel message really is.

Welcome to the future. We are here.
 
markathome said:
I've been married for 40 years and have 4 kids.
If I proclaim to love my wife & then Sin against her by cheating on her, how can I say I love her?
My actions would be against the Covenant we made with each other. Why would I want to hurt her?
There is no Love in willfully sinning against God, it's either Hate or ya just don't care no longer, which isn't the action of Love.

Society distorts the meaning of Love nowdays til it has no meaning.
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Then why do you still sin?
 
markathome said:
I've been married for 40 years and have 4 kids.
If I proclaim to love my wife & then Sin against her by cheating on her, how can I say I love her?
My actions would be against the Covenant we made with each other. Why would I want to hurt her?
There is no Love in willfully sinning against God, it's either Hate or ya just don't care no longer, which isn't the action of Love.

Society distorts the meaning of Love nowdays til it has no meaning.
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Rollo Tamasi said:
Then why do you still sin?
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The concept of love in the world today has been distorted and I think we need to be careful not to distort it ourselves.
I do agree that sinning against your partner sexually carries more consequence but the truth is sin is sin, whatever we/you can define what sin is. When I lie to my wife, I sin. When I had a severe gambling problem I was sinning against my wife, it lead to lies, debt, and pain for my wife. When I come home from work and the house is a mess and I say something that makes her feel like she is not a good wife, is that sin?

When I act in that way does that mean I don't love her? When I have done such I have acted them willfully, I have chosen to act that way. Do I hate her or not care? Of course not. I love her deeply, she is my soul mate, she is my life, without her I am nothing. That then causes me to be the person to seek God to be the person has called me to be. I repent before God, I ask my wife to forgive me, I seek God for change in me. Why? Because I do love her and you know what? She knows that cause I seek God to help me love my wife as he has called me to.

Why do I still sin. I allow the flesh to overcome and I could give reasons/excuses as to why. Truth is there is no excuse. Romans 7 a wonderful chapter but even more wonderful Romans 8.

God knows our hearts, he know we love him, he knows we wil get it wrong, he knows it's not because we hate him, he knows it's not because we don't care, he knows our flesh.

So when I sin against God, do I hate him, do I not care? It breaks my heart when I do, it perplexes me and I hate doing it, I come before him with repentance and ask that he works in me and that I grow to love him as much as he loves me.

He himself said "When we seek him we will find him, he also said when we stray he will seek us and he will find us"

That's love
 
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markathome said:
I've been married for 40 years and have 4 kids.
If I proclaim to love my wife & then Sin against her by cheating on her, how can I say I love her?
My actions would be against the Covenant we made with each other. Why would I want to hurt her?
There is no Love in willfully sinning against God, it's either Hate or ya just don't care no longer, which isn't the action of Love.

Society distorts the meaning of Love nowdays til it has no meaning.
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Markathome
You mean you've never looked upon a woman thinking those kind of thoughts? Wow.
Mathew 5:28

You've never made your wife angry? Or cry? or upset? or frustrated?

Sounds like you might be perfect, just like Jesus said to be.
Mathew 5:48

And here I thought it was just a lofty goal !

You see, it's not just cheating on her that makes you perfect. Fact is, you're not perfect. You've sinned against your wife many times. God is very demanding. Do we really understand how demanding He is?
Do we really understand how perfect He is? Do we really think we could satisfy those demands?

So there you have it. You love your wife, but you've sinned against her.
Ditto for God.

This is what I meant. i didn't mean people who love God like to sin or are living lives of sin.
Please reread my post.

Wondering
 
Wrg1405 said:
The concept of love in the world today has been distorted and I think we need to be careful not to distort it ourselves.
I do agree that sinning against your partner sexually carries more consequence but the truth is sin is sin, whatever we/you can define what sin is. When I lie to my wife, I sin. When I had a severe gambling problem I was sinning against my wife, it lead to lies, debt, and pain for my wife. When I come home from work and the house is a mess and I say something that makes her feel like she is not a good wife, is that sin?

When I act in that way does that mean I don't love her? When I have done such I have acted them willfully, I have chosen to act that way. Do I hate her or not care? Of course not. I love her deeply, she is my soul mate, she is my life, without her I am nothing. That then causes me to be the person to seek God to be the person has called me to be. I repent before God, I ask my wife to forgive me, I seek God for change in me. Why? Because I do love her and you know what? She knows that cause I seek God to help me love my wife as he has called me to.

Why do I still sin. I allow the flesh to overcome and I could give reasons/excuses as to why. Truth is there is no excuse. Romans 7 a wonderful chapter but even more wonderful Romans 8.

God knows our hearts, he know we love him, he knows we wil get it wrong, he knows it's not because we hate him, he knows it's not because we don't care, he knows our flesh.

So when I sin against God, do I hate him, do I not care? It breaks my heart when I do, it perplexes me and I hate doing it, I come before him with repentance and ask that he works in me and they I grow to love him as much as he loves me.

He himself said "When we seek him we will find him, he also said when we stray he will seek us and he will find him"

That's love
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Well said wrg1405.
My sentiments exactly and you said it perfectly.

Wondering
 
I sin because I do that which I dont want to do. But I don't promote my weakness so that other's commit the same sin.I have no mercy or respect for those that do.
When I was a child I didn't know what sin was except for the big scary bible in the living room that was never opened except to look at the kewl pics in it or the OT Law about stealing which didn't stop me until I got caught one day.
Luckily we aren't Jews or Muslims and under the Law cause I still got both hands :woot2.
But Love from the Heart really doesn't fail, it's my mind that fails because sometimes I hate her :screwloose2
but my heart still loves her, which makes me grow up and quit acting like a child.
 
wondering said:
Markathome
You mean you've never looked upon a woman thinking those kind of thoughts? Wow.
Mathew 5:28

You've never made your wife angry? Or cry? or upset? or frustrated?

Sounds like you might be perfect, just like Jesus said to be.
Mathew 5:48

And here I thought it was just a lofty goal !

You see, it's not just cheating on her that makes you perfect. Fact is, you're not perfect. You've sinned against your wife many times. God is very demanding. Do we really understand how demanding He is?
Do we really understand how perfect He is? Do we really think we could satisfy those demands?

So there you have it. You love your wife, but you've sinned against her.
Ditto for God.

This is what I meant. i didn't mean people who love God like to sin or are living lives of sin.
Please reread my post.

Wondering
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" Do we really understand how perfect he is? We sure do not. Do we really understand how Holy he is? We sure do not. Do we understand how loving he he is? We sure do not. If we catch a glimpse of all of God?
 
markathome said:
I sin because I do that which I dont want to do. But I don't promote my weakness so that other's commit the same sin.I have no mercy or respect for those that do.
When I was a child I didn't know what sin was except for the big scary bible in the living room that was never opened except to look at the kewl pics in it or the OT Law about stealing which didn't stop me until I got caught one day.
Luckily we aren't Jews or Muslims and under the Law cause I still got both hands :woot2.
But Love from the Heart really doesn't fail, it's my mind that fails because sometimes I hate her :screwloose2
but my heart still loves her, which makes me grow up and quit acting like a child.
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Maybe we can talk about our sin so we can show others our weakness and how God as helped us overcome our sin, so we can show the same mercy to those that suffer and at the same time show that God has mercifully forgiven us and helped us.
 
My stance on those matters is a bit controversial among Christians, but I do believe homosexuality to be a sin according to scripture. A few years ago my stance was more accepted, people were like "I wish more Christians had that attitude", but now it's more often that because I do believe it to be sin they don't like that. I was literally crying for hours after a recent conversation with someone about this. (Well, I'm overly sensitive sometimes.) They felt that anything less than "it's 100% acceptable and I support it" was on the same level as those who torture and bully LGBT individuals.
On the one hand, they are allowed to believe as they wish. They are not obligated to approve of my beliefs. On the other....well. It still hurts, I just have to deal. All I can do is try harder to make it clear that my beliefs are not motivated by hate or looking down on others.
 
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