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sexaul sin in the churches

Mike S said:
I can't pretend to comment on Joel Osteen from authority, I know very little about him. I was speaking for myself and my church. We do not justify homosexuality, we condemn it as a sin. But, God work's His will in all of us, He is not done with us yet. If a gay man repents his sin and on Christ as his savior, he is welcome to kneel next to me at the foot of the cross.
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Exactly where I stand! I had to repent of so much that it could, except for the Word, be very simple to ignore all people's sins but I must discern, judge, or whatever one chooses to call it, I must judge good from evel.
 
kiwidan said:
I have heard Joel admit he does not believe he is called to preach scripture, he also will not acknowledge the verses when confronted with 'knowone comes to the Father but through me' and whoever does not have the Son does not have the Father. His excuse was 'well I dont think its my right to say or judge who goes to heaven and who doesnt', he would not stand up boldly to the Gospel and say Christ is the only way.
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You're right Dan, on one or two, possibly, I have heard him admit, accord to the gospel of Joel, that god loves everyone and we are all His Children. The trouble is, it is true God loves every single one of us. It is true that God has loved every one of us from before our birth but if we ever forget there is the Great White Throne Judgment and Eternal Hell for those that did not love God back.
 
I was trained/taught in school & college to be an atheist. So is the vast majority of kids in the USA. today.
That brainwashing never goes away but it does make any believe or faith more important.
 
markathome said:
I was trained/taught in school & college to be an atheist. So is the vast majority of kids in the USA. today.
That brainwashing never goes away but it does make any believe or faith more important.
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Could we post your statement on the front page of every newspaper every day, please?
I have friends who don't know about this, or don't believe it.
Nice to live in Utopia...

Wondering
(my highlight)
 
markathome said:
I was trained/taught in school & college to be an atheist. So is the vast majority of kids in the USA. today.
That brainwashing never goes away but it does make any believe or faith more important.
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th1b.taylor said:
The stuff they force feed our youth is scary.
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I was absolutely flabbergasted when my 15 year old daughter came home from school one day and asked me "Was the bible flood copied from a Babylonian myth? I looked at her with astonishment and asked her where on earth she heard that. I will let you know in a minute.

The following week she asked me "Was the law of Moses copied from the the Hammurabian Code?

I did not have to aske her where she got that from.

This is absolutely astonishing and beyond belief. She was told both the above by her Religious Education teacher.
I couldn't beleive it, I said I can't believe your R/E teacher would say that. I assumed that the teacher would be a Christian just like in my day where that was expected. BUT no her teacher is anti Christian and let's the pupils know it.

Rather fortunately over the last 3 years I have gone down the route of apologetics and I had in my bundles of notes answers to the above questions, along with the the fact that Christmas was not nicked from the festival that celebrated the pagan god Mithra.

My view is that we need to be equipped with what the world is throwing against us and our kids and the vulnerable.

I would also like to add that going down the apologetics route can mess with your head, (as it did with mine for a while) there are some very convincing atheists, Christian haters who can present a very convincing argument, or so they think. Satan will try to use that and render us ineffective, but unless we can defend the faith I would say we are just as ineffective.

So going down such a route we must arm ourselves with what we know to be the truth which is Jesus.

So that we can

1 Peter 3:15-17

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
 
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Wrg1405 said:
I was absolutely flabbergasted when my 15 year old daughter came home from school one day and asked me "Was the bible copied from a Babylonian myth? I looked at her with astonishment and asked her where on earth she heard that. I will let you know in a minute.

The following week she asked me "Was the law of Moses copied from the the Hammurabian Code?

I did not have to aske her where she got that from.

This is absolutely astonishing and beyond belief. She was told both the above by her Religious Education teacher.
I couldn't beleive it, I said I can't believe your R/E teacher would say that. I assumed that the teacher would be a Christian just like in my day where that was expected. BUT no her teacher is anti Christian and let's the pupils know it.

Rather fortunately over the last 3 years I have gone down the route of apologetics and I had in my bundles of notes answers to the above questions, along with the the fact that Christmas was not nicked from the festival that celebrated the pagan god Mithra.

My view is that we need to be equipped with what the world is throwing against us and our kids and the vulnerable.

I would also like to add that going down the apologetics route can mess with your head, (as it did with mine for a while) there are some very convincing atheists, Christian haters who can present a very convincing argument, or so they think. Satan will try to use that and render us ineffective, but unless we can defend the faith I would say we are just as ineffective.

So going down such a route we must arm ourselves with what we know to be the truth which is Jesus.

So that we can

1 Peter 3:15-17

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
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Soon after I was called God called me into teaching Primary Students and so i was grounded. Then God called me to learn to defend the faith and I purchased works like Where To Find It In The Bible, The Nave's Topical Bible and the forty year work of Norman Guiesler, the Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetic s.

If I could have one wish it would bethat the Church provided every parent of a twelve year old with these three and other books to equip the saints that will be assaulted through their children.
 
Psa 73:25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
Psa 73:26 My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.
Psa 73:27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.
Psa 73:28 But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Pretty much self explanatory I think. One can not serve two masters!!!
 
th1b.taylor said:
Soon after I was called God called me into teaching Primary Students and so i was grounded. Then God called me to learn to defend the faith and I purchased works like Where To Find It In The Bible, The Nave's Topical Bible and the forty year work of Norman Guiesler, the Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetic s.

If I could have one wish it would bethat the Church provided every parent of a twelve year old with these three and other books to equip the saints that will be assaulted through their children.
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I agree. I went down this route when I came back to church. I wanted to know what it is I belive rather than just beleive what was preached in church. It was then that I started to understand the bible more, it's relevance to its readers, what was being written and why. It seemed to me that there was a lot of fire fighting, ie Gnosticism, antinomianism, legalism , persecution, false doctrine and so on. Just like we have today. So thats why I went down the apologetics route. This may sound horrible but I'm not a fluffy Christian, I would hope I'm a loving one. So I want to be able to help our dear brothers and sister others who have fallen foul of false doctrine, legalism and other things and defend the faith against those who seek to destroy us. Sorry rambled on a bit.

I will get the Baker Encyclopedia and I don't know if you have it but I like the Christian Apolegetics Bible.
 
Wrg1405 said:
I agree. I went down this route when I came back to church. I wanted to know what it is I belive rather than just beleive what was preached in church. It was then that I started to understand the bible more, it's relevance to its readers, what was being written and why. It seemed to me that there was a lot of fire fighting, ie Gnosticism, antinomianism, legalism , persecution, false doctrine and so on. Just like we have today. So thats why I went down the apologetics route. This may sound horrible but I'm not a fluffy Christian, I would hope I'm a loving one. So I want to be able to help our dear brothers and sister others who have fallen foul of false doctrine, legalism and other things and defend the faith against those who seek to destroy us. Sorry rambled on a bit.

I will get the Baker Encyclopedia and I don't know if you have it but I like the Christian Apolegetics Bible.
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I, being so close to my 1049 being granted for my final transfer have passed almost all of my Commentaries, Books and even my Encyclopedia over to a younger man that had surrendered to the ministry and had answered the call from a Church. It would trouble me to no end to hoard such a treasure and be so far down the road to the Natural Death. It has been, from 1/1/90. my duty to equip and to give freely.
 
Barbarian said:
If they think so, they aren't very good Catholics. They are going directly against the Church's teaching on that subject.
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Isn't it too bad all catholics don't know their churches position on different matters?
Why do you think that is??
I refer also to the churches position on the gender question. It has a position, but most don't know it.

Wondering
 
wondering said:
Isn't it too bad all catholics don't know their churches position on different matters?
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It is.

Why do you think that is??
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Most Christians don't really give much attention to God, except as they think He impacts their own situation. Catholics sometimes fall into that the way other Christians do.

I refer also to the churches position on the gender question.
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We think gender was a good decision.

It has a position, but most don't know it.
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In fact, the Church acknowledges that Protestants are our brothers in Christ. We also acknowledged that Jewish and Muslim believers worship the same God we do, even if they might not be aware of all the details.

And we welcome into our Church, homosexuals who are trying to come to terms with that cross laid upon them. Ours is a community of sinners trying to become better. If you don't have a problem avoiding sin, you don't need our Church.
 
Barbarian said:
"There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be."
- Fulton J. Sheen
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I've always liked Fulton Sheen.
We never missed him on tv in my house growing up.
 
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