sexaul sin in the churches

[Malachi]

Isn't it too bad all catholics don't know their churches position on different matters? Why do you think that is??

If they knew the true position, they would leave in a hurry.

 

[Corn Pop]

God has a mother?.

 

[GodsGrace]

God has a mother?.

That's one of the problems.
Loving to stick to theology
And not giving enough PRACTICAL teaching.
Then we have some that give ALL practical teaching - which we like to call The Law- and little theology.
OTOH, no one is perfect and no institution can be perfect because it's made up of imperfect man.

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Wondering

 

[Corn Pop]

That's one of the problems.
Loving to stick to theology
And not giving enough PRACTICAL teaching.
Then we have some that give ALL practical teaching - which we like to call The Law- and little theology.
OTOH, no one is perfect and no institution can be perfect because it's made up of imperfect man.

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Wondering

Its quite funny in a twisted kind of way. If Jesus has a mother, that would make her The Most Highs wife. Lol.

Ok, I know Mary was very blessed, just as Abraham was, and she did carry the Lord into the world, but he come through The Most Highs un-tainted seed, there was no relation.

Just as Joseph was Jesus adopted dad, as was marry his adopted mother. Why does Joseph get no credit, he was a righteous man and Jesus dad!!!!.

The Son of God does not have a mother, only a Father the Most High, who he went back into his presence sitting at the right hand.

And God is spirit, God is only called a 'he' throughout scrpture because Jesus was born a male.

 

[GodsGrace]

It is.

Most Christians don't really give much attention to God, except as they think He impacts their own situation. Catholics sometimes fall into that the way other Christians do.

You say "It is" too bad that persons in your particular church don't know the church's doctrine re gender, especially since it is the correct doctrine, I find this to be sad.

Then you go on to say that it's because people don't give much attention to God. And here's where we will disagree, as I knew we would.

The people who show up for Mass on Sat/Sun (which was a mistake too) are people who are trying to "give attention to God." Problem is there's no teaching. The masses (no pun intended) must be taught. Most float around all their lives and know very little to nothing of their faith. Thus, Rollo has these in-your-face persons in his family who want to call themselves christian/catholic and think nothing of it.
I like when Jesus says in Mathew 5:37 NASB "Let your statement be Yes, yes or No, no..."
Let your yes be yes and let your no be no. KNOW your position.
(and I don't refer only to the gender question).

We think gender was a good decision.

I agree. And the reason I'm even pursuing this question is because of the very fact that it's a good decision and correct. Too bad we don't hear more about it considering the world-wide attention this denomination is given due to its head of state.

In fact, the Church acknowledges that Protestants are our brothers in Christ. We also acknowledged that Jewish and Muslim believers worship the same God we do, even if they might not be aware of all the details.

And we welcome into our Church, homosexuals who are trying to come to terms with that cross laid upon them. Ours is a community of sinners trying to become better. If you don't have a problem avoiding sin, you don't need our Church.

As long as they're trying to come to terms... Nuff said.
I said nothing about "brothers in Christ". You're correct.
And your last sentence was not necessary since I said nothing to deserve that.

Wondering

 

[GodsGrace]

Its quite funny in a twisted kind of way. If Jesus has a mother, that would make her The Most Highs wife. Lol.

Ok, I know Mary was very blessed, just as Abraham was, and she did carry the Lord into the world, but he come through The Most Highs un-tainted seed, there was no relation.

Just as Joseph was Jesus adopted dad, as was marry his adopted mother.

The Son of God,does not have a mother, only a Father the Most High, who he went back into his presence.

And God is spirit, God is only called 'he' because Jesus was born a man.

Kiwidan, I'd be willing to discuss this since I know catholic theology well, but not here of course.
Let's just say that Mary is JESUS' mother in the sense that He was borne of her. He did have to come into the world through a woman. She didn't adopt Him, she had him in her person and gave birth to Him. Calling her the mother of God is a whole theological discussion and this isn't the place for it. I do have a problem with this. I agree that Joseph is the adopted father since it was the Holy Spirit that overshadowed Mary and caused her to conceive.

Let's not change Rollo's thread.

Wondering

 

[Corn Pop]

A woman who carries another couples baby for them, like they do through science these days, is not the biological mother but the adopted mother, or whatever the word its called.

The same goes for Jesus, the Holy Spirit planted the seed and Mary carried it.

 

[GodsGrace]

A woman who carries another couples baby for them, like they do through science these days, is not the biological mother but the adopted mother, or whatever the word its called.

The same goes for Jesus, the Holy Spirit planted the seed and Mary carried it.

I don't understand Kiwidan. Maybe you could PM me since this is very off topic.
Are you saying Mary was a surrogate mother? That she carried a baby for someone else?
No. She carried her own baby and kept Him.

W

 

[Corn Pop]

I don't understand Kiwidan. Maybe you could PM me since this is very off topic.
Are you saying Mary was a surrogate mother? That she carried a baby for someone else?
No. She carried her own baby and kept Him.

W

Yes. I think Mary was a surrogate mother and Joseph was the adopted dad.

Thats my belief for now, but minds change through knowledge, i will either believe it for good, or be convinced otherwise, but for now that is what I believe.

If the Most High can make man from dust, he can make man in the womb.

I will leave it with that and can get back on topic now.

 

[Barbarian]

You say "It is" too bad that persons in your particular church don't know the church's doctrine re gender, especially since it is the correct doctrine, I find this to be sad.

It's true in Protestant Churches also. I know many Baptists who are completely unaware that YE creationism is a Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine, a very modern revision, and not the historical Baptist position at all.

Then you go on to say that it's because people don't give much attention to God.

It is a fact. If you put God first, you don't put yourself in those positions.

And here's where we will disagree, as I knew we would.

Sadly, yes.

The people who show up for Mass on Sat/Sun (which was a mistake too) are people who are trying to "give attention to God." Problem is there's no teaching.

The word of God is taught in the homily every mass. Sadly, some now consider that to be "no teaching."

Barbarian observes:
In fact, the Church acknowledges that Protestants are our brothers in Christ. We also acknowledged that Jewish and Muslim believers worship the same God we do, even if they might not be aware of all the details.

And we welcome into our Church, homosexuals who are trying to come to terms with that cross laid upon them. Ours is a community of sinners trying to become better. If you don't have a problem avoiding sin, you don't need our Church.

And your last sentence was not necessary since I said nothing to deserve that.

It's why the mass is centered around the word of God. We all need it, even if some modern denominations aren't so sure of that.

 

[Chopper]

Hmmmm....I don't know what to say. Holding fast to Scripture and sound doctrine clearly causes conflict, as just about every poster above me has pointed out, lol. I also don't get Catholics. The Church is officially not down with the gay lifestyle, but many work-a-day Catholics shrug it off or go the way of "gay-affirming..." and yet, they're still considered Catholics. Weird.

The gay thing is becoming divisive all over. I'm prone to gay-ness, but I'm pursuing celibacy. That's...oddly enough...the old school Catholic approach. Anyway, I've lost "friends" because I've chosen not to pursue the gay life any further. I don't know if its actually the gay thing, or if the gay issue is just...well, just the latest issue to chip away at sound doctrine. The gender disorder/trans issue is the next Big Thing, and I think its going to make the sodomy issue look like child's play in comparison.

Ramble ramble...speak the Truth in love. Discernment, not judgment. I'm probably just repeating things you already know and practice. I get the sense that, if it wasn't for my "Schizophrenia" or "Bipolar I," my knowledge of and growing faith in (traditional, Scripturally-sound, or so I hope...) Jesus would be causing some friction in my own family unit. :-( You're not alone.

CE, I'm so very honored to call you my friend. For you to leave the homosexual life style, and pursue celibacy is a "Home Run" in my book. I have followed your threads and posts with interest. I want you to know that your involvement in this CF.net has been a very good thing. I like to think that your testimony of your "change" and also the persecution from neighbors and possibly family has been a huge instruction to others who lean towards a homosexual life style.

Keep it up CE, our Lord Jesus the Son of God and His Spirit is using your testimony in ways you'll never know until you reach the "Glory Side". In Jesus, I love You!

 

[Barbarian]

I also don't get Catholics. The Church is officially not down with the gay lifestyle, but many work-a-day Catholics shrug it off or go the way of "gay-affirming..." and yet, they're still considered Catholics. Weird.

The Church says that homosexual behavior is a grave sin. However, a homosexual who is trying to avoid the tendency is welcome in the Church, and a celibate homosexual is worthy of our praise and admiration. This may be a little confusing to some, until they realize that the Church sees it as a sin like many other serious sins, certainly not one of those Jesus spent much time decrying.

Whatever our tendency to sin might be, we are guilty only to the degree in which we let that tendency rule our behavior.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's true in Protestant Churches also. I know many Baptists who are completely unaware that YE creationism is a Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine, a very modern revision, and not the historical Baptist position at all.

It is a fact. If you put God first, you don't put yourself in those positions.

Sadly, yes.

The word of God is taught in the homily every mass. Sadly, some now consider that to be "no teaching."
Barbarian observes:

In fact, the Church acknowledges that Protestants are our brothers in Christ. We also acknowledged that Jewish and Muslim believers worship the same God we do, even if they might not be aware of all the details.

And we welcome into our Church, homosexuals who are trying to come to terms with that cross laid upon them. Ours is a community of sinners trying to become better. If you don't have a problem avoiding sin, you don't need our Church.

It's why the mass is centered around the word of God. We all need it, even if some modern denominations aren't so sure of that.

Just two things.
Baptists know about salvation economy
Where did YOU learn everything you know?

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Wondering

 

[markathome]

So how does the Allele figure into Mary?

 

[reba]

allah is not God the Father.. allah does not have a Son..

 

[Barbarian]

Baptists know about salvation economy

There is no "economy" to salvation. It's limitless for anyone who will accept it.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord delayeth not his promise, as some imagine, but dealeth patiently for your sake, not willing that any should perish, but that all should return to penance.

Where did YOU learn everything you know?

See above. No one learns everything from any one source. As you might know, the Bible says that it is not the only authoritative source of information about God. Don't close yourself off to Him, in any way that He reveals Himself to you.

 

[Barbarian]

allah is not God the Father.. allah does not have a Son..

Jews say that God doesn't have a Son who is also God, either. But like Muslims, they worship the same God we do, even if they don't accept all truths about him.

 

[Barbarian]

So how does the Allele figure into Mary?

Which allele? Sounds like someone looking in the wrong place, to me.

 

[reba]

Jews say that God doesn't have a Son who is also God, either. But like Muslims, they worship the same God we do, even if they don't accept all truths about him.

You may worship their god i dont. my God has a Son
Jesus The Son of God is not some minor truth... He is also God... I know the word of God takes second place to your dogma but your dogma is not mine..
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 

[Chopper]

You may worship their god i dont. my God has a Son
Jesus The Son of God is not some minor truth... He is also God... I know the word of God takes second place to your dogma but your dogma is not mine..
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!