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Should all Christians agree?

2ndRateMind

2ndRateMind

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There are arguments for and against.

If you think we should, what is the defense from 'group think', where everyone agrees, but no one is right and everyone is wrong because none have noticed the common error. The mistake everyone is making and therefore no one realises?

If you think we shouldn't what, precisely, holds Christendom together?

Personally, I think total agreement is a vain quest, not least because because we are all at different levels and stages along our various journeys in our imitation of Christ and our approaching of God.

But, more importantly, what do you think?

Best wishes to you all, 2ndRateMind
 
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"Should" we all be united in our faith? Absolutely! Are we united in our faith? No!

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.
Hebrews 13:8-9 NKJV

The problem is we have a sin nature and we live in rebellion. Our pastor put it this way saying, "We all desire to be our own gods."

I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Ephesians 4:1-6 NKJV

Do we all walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which we have been called, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit? There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all. Yet, there are many divisions and differences of opinion about who that one God is.

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
Romans 14:1-3 NKJV

Do we not despise those who do things differently? Do we not quarrel over opinions? Just read through some of the discussions here on CFnet and the answer is clear.
 
Christ's Example of Humility

Php 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Php 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Lights in the World
Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

What I see in these scriptures is that our unity of one mind is our confession of faith and the love of Christ that binds us together as one in the Spirit of the Lord. If we would never learn anything else this is being of one mind that we confess Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
 
WIP said:
"Should" we all be united in our faith? Absolutely! Are we united in our faith? No!

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.
Hebrews 13:8-9 NKJV

The problem is we have a sin nature and we live in rebellion. Our pastor put it this way saying, "We all desire to be our own gods."
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You still have a sin nature?
 
WIP said:
Yes, just like Paul describes in Romans, chapter 7.
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Romans 7 is a description of the sin nature and how the unsaved struggle with it. Keep reading...

Romans 8:1-4, "Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. " (NASB)

No Christian still has the sin nature. We have been "born again" into a new life.
 
If sin approx = a selfish way way of being, and the first world is allegedly Christian, and certainly wealthy, while people hunger in the developing world, I can't see that Christians are free of sin or that being 'born again' means that much.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
2ndRateMind said:
There are arguments for and against.

If you think we should, what is the defense from 'group think', where everyone agrees, but no one is right and everyone is wrong because none have noticed the common error. The mistake everyone is making and therefore no one realises?

If you think we shouldn't what, precisely, holds Christendom together?

Personally, I think total agreement is a vain quest, not least because because we are all at different levels and stages along our various journeys in our imitation of Christ and our approaching of God.

But, more importantly, what do you think?

Best wishes to you all, 2ndRateMind
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in the upper room they were in one accord of heart as they sought for and waited for God - and the mighty outpouring was world shaking

theology is man's ideas about God's words - never going to be agreement on that - God never meant us to make theology of His words - He meant us to live by His words - if we did more of that we would be more in agreement and too busy being a doer of God's word to have time to sit around arguing theoretical unprovable theology - when we meet our maker we will probably be ashamed of how much arguing and how little doing we did with God's words - or simply put i think a lot of people will have a bare trophy case because they did nothing reward worthy with God's word
 
Truthfrees said:
in the upper room they were in one accord of heart as they sought for and waited for God - and the mighty outpouring was world shaking

theology is man's ideas about God's words - never going to be agreement on that - God never meant us to make theology of His words - He meant us to live by His words - if we did more of that we would be more in agreement and too busy being a doer of God's word to have time to sit around arguing theoretical unprovable theology - when we meet our maker we will probably be ashamed of how much arguing and how little doing we did with God's words - or simply put i think a lot of people will have a bare trophy case because they did nothing reward worthy with God's word
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Salvation is by faith not works. Romans 10:8-10, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

Notice that "works" is not mentioned.
 
jaybo said:
Salvation is by faith not works. Romans 10:8-10, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

Notice that "works" is not mentioned.
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i didn't say works - you did - perfect example of arguing rather than living by God's words -

did God tell you to argue with me? or to go live in a way that causes others to want to know God personally? - tell people about who God is to you and you will find people wanting to hear more - argue about words and people will think your religion is a crock
 
Truthfrees said:
i didn't say works - you did - perfect example of arguing rather than living by God's words -

did God tell you to argue with me? or to go live in a way that causes others to want to know God personally? - tell people about who God is to you and you will find people wanting to hear more - argue about words and people will think your religion is a crock
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I will never respond to this kind of hostility.
 
jaybo said:
I will never respond to this kind of hostility.
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i wasn't hostile - you misunderstood my original post and i restated it again - theology divides people and turns off non-believers - waiting on God and doing as He said as per the upper room changes the world and attracts people by the thousands - how did you get salvation by works out of anything i said in this thread? or any thread? - salvation by works is something you keep talking about not me -
 
WIP said:
Yes, just like Paul describes in Romans, chapter 7
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You must be referring to the parts of Rom. 7 that were Paul's remembrances of his past, when still walking in the flesh.
My own fleshly minded sin nature was killed when it was crucified with Christ..."with the affections and lusts". (Gal 5:24)
But like 2 Cor 5:17 says,..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
The sin nature was part of that "old".
I have a divine nature now that I am in Christ.
 
jaybo said:
Salvation is by faith not works. Romans 10:8-10, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

Notice that "works" is not mentioned.
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jaybo, go back and read Truthfrees post #8. there was nothing said about salvation or works. You are arguing about something that wasn't even mentioned.
 
for_his_glory said:
jaybo, go back and read Truthfrees post #8. there was nothing said about salvation or works. You are arguing about something that wasn't even mentioned.
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Here is part of Truthfrees post #8 (with my emphases) He meant us to live by His words - if we did more of that we would be more in agreement and too busy being a doer of God's word to have time to sit around arguing theoretical unprovable theology - when we meet our maker we will probably be ashamed of how much arguing and how little doing we did with God's words - or simply put i think a lot of people will have a bare trophy case because they did nothing reward worthy with God's word"

Too busy being a doer (works) & how little doing we did with God's words (works) & they did nothing reward worthy with God's word (works)

Notice especially the last phrase: i think a lot of people will have a bare trophy case because they did nothing reward worthy with God's word. How is that not salvation by works?
 
jaybo said:
I will never respond to this kind of hostility.
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There is no hostility coming from what Truthfrees
jaybo said:
I will never respond to this kind of hostility.
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There was no hostility.

Truthfrees was talking about theology and how others like to argue instead of believing what has already been written.

You chimed in about faith is not by works, which has nothing to do with anything he said.

You just showed the example of what he was talking about by trying to argue theology with him. Please go back and reread what Truthfrees has said.

You need to go back and reread his post #8 as you are being an example of what he said by attacking him.
 
jaybo said:
Here is part of Truthfrees post #8 (with my emphases) He meant us to live by His words - if we did more of that we would be more in agreement and too busy being a doer of God's word to have time to sit around arguing theoretical unprovable theology - when we meet our maker we will probably be ashamed of how much arguing and how little doing we did with God's words - or simply put i think a lot of people will have a bare trophy case because they did nothing reward worthy with God's word"

Too busy being a doer (works) & how little doing we did with God's words (works) & they did nothing reward worthy with God's word (works)

Notice especially the last phrase: i think a lot of people will have a bare trophy case because they did nothing reward worthy with God's word. How is that not salvation by works?
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It is you that added the word "works" to his post as it was never written nor implied. So many arguments come from misunderstanding others replies as they read into them words that are not even there.
 
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