Should I Tithe Or Pay My Bills?

[WIP]

Yes ours too was ALC.

 

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Yes ours too was ALC.

From my general experiences the ALC membership were very tender people. Probably the best of the Lutherans imho. I miss them old folk. My dad used to take me on the rounds with the neighbors when I was a kid and he'd have coffee and they'd sit and chat, sometimes for hours, about all kinds of things. Very open and sharing people. But they could spot a scammer from a mile away. I inherited that part of myself from their sights.

 

[Corn Pop]

I have an idea, this idea is so great it makes great look stupid.

Instead of gossiping and making fools of ourselves lets ask God, lets look at the word of God and see what it says about tithe.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I have an idea, this idea is so great it makes great look stupid.

Instead of gossiping and making fools of ourselves lets ask God, lets look at the word of God and see what it says about tithe.

Ok, bring the INCREASE as tithe. Now increase is different from income, I repeat, increase is different from income. When I get a pay rise at work, that is called a increase.

Now, the levite, widow and poor dont tithe as the levite gets his share and the poor and widow dont obviously tithe as the tithe goes to them as God cares about the well being of all people. God gives the increase. It seems like business/land owners/ employers payed tithe on there increase.

Correct me if im wrong.

So, what is increase?.

Lets start basic with a single work increase, yes it is spelt different and has a different meaning than gross income.

And the Most High owns 100% anyhow as everything given is from him to start.

I see where you are going and I am not fool enough to argue the opposing view except I feel great and wish for a mental exercise. You are about to make a scriptural case, as we everyone of us, should learn to do so we can honor God, just as Romans 12:1 promises is our duty if we love God.

I'll be watching to see who lets slip the knot. God bless bro.

 

[Corn Pop]

People need to look at the big picture.

Even 100% of everything is Gods, a tithe was required. Now it is impossible to keep the customs of the biblical tithe, we dont trade in goats and grapes personaly, unless your a farmer, the biblical storehouse is gone, there is no levite to tithe, so how does one tithe.

Well my nation is suppose to be based on christian principles, every week 20% compulsary gross income comes out of my wage and goes to the nation, the gov, who are suppose to use my double tithe to support the nation, like the tithe was for, the leaders take there cut, and welfare for the unemployed, pensions for the widow and elderly, hospitals for the sick, education for the youth and whatever else.

Gods tithe goes to the nations leadership, and they are responsible and suppose to use it wisely, and as they corrupt it, thats not on my conscience.

Most working citizen, and I know I always have, has payed the nation there tithe, just like all jews payed there tithe to the nation if they liked it or not. My tithe goes to the nation with expectations it will be used correctly as God wishes, if not, and its obvious its not, God will judge.

So what has a church got to do with anything, a man says he will grow a fellowship with believers and calls it a church, then expects Gods tithe to go to his personal storehouse after a 20% tithe has already been given. Then you have a thousand fellowships all claiming Gods tithe. If you decide to start a church you fund it yourself with your members, you dont demand of them or manipulate for Gods tithe, if people want to give 10% good on them, 100% good on them, but a church established by any man is not suddenly Gods tithe house, they are all calling themselves there own empires and kingdoms.

A church that has a donation box I can understand, but every manipulation church that says tithe or your robbing God are the real robbers.

 

[Edward]

My church back in Colorado before I moved had collection boxes set up all over but never once asked for the congregation to give or tithe. Incidentally, they're one of the biggest churches in Colorado Springs and do a lot to help the community. The pastor usually wore nice jeans & a button-up shirt.

Another church that I attended a few times, always had a little mini-sermon on tithing & offerings before the pastors message. He wore 600 dollar suits...I didn't stay there long.

 

[th1b.taylor]

People need to look at the big picture.

Even 100% of everything is Gods, a tithe was required. Now it is impossible to keep the customs of the biblical tithe, we dont trade in goats and grapes personaly, unless your a farmer, the biblical storehouse is gone, there is no levite to tithe, so how does one tithe.

Well my nation is suppose to be based on christian principles, every week 20% compulsary gross income comes out of my wage and goes to the nation, the gov, who are suppose to use my double tithe to support the nation, like the tithe was for, the leaders take there cut, and welfare for the unemployed, pensions for the widow and elderly, hospitals for the sick, education for the youth and whatever else.

Gods tithe goes to the nations leadership, and they are responsible and suppose to use it wisely, and as they corrupt it, thats not on my conscience.

Most working citizen, and I know I always have, has payed the nation there tithe, just like all jews payed there tithe to the nation if they liked it or not. My tithe goes to the nation with expectations it will be used correctly as God wishes, if not, and its obvious its not, God will judge.

So what has a church got to do with anything, a man says he will grow a fellowship with believers and calls it a church, then expects Gods tithe to go to his personal storehouse after a 20% tithe has already been given. Then you have a thousand fellowships all claiming Gods tithe. If you decide to start a church you fund it yourself with your members, you dont demand of them or manipulate for Gods tithe, if people want to give 10% good on them, 100% good on them, but a church established by any man is not suddenly Gods tithe house, they are all calling themselves there own empires and kingdoms.

A church that has a donation box I can understand, but every manipulation church that says tithe or your robbing God are the real robbers.

I'm sorry Dan, I tend to agree with your general principal on this but the point of your taxes being payment of the unrequired tithe is not the deal.

 

[th1b.taylor]

My church back in Colorado before I moved had collection boxes set up all over but never once asked for the congregation to give or tithe. Incidentally, they're one of the biggest churches in Colorado Springs and do a lot to help the community. The pastor usually wore nice jeans & a button-up shirt.

Another church that I attended a few times, always had a little mini-sermon on tithing & offerings before the pastors message. He wore 600 dollar suits...I didn't stay there long.

A Church I once belonged to did the same thing and was never lacking in funds.

 

[smaller]

I have an idea, this idea is so great it makes great look stupid.

Instead of gossiping and making fools of ourselves lets ask God, lets look at the word of God and see what it says about tithe.

The law is spiritual. It is pointless to connect the law of anything to cash. It's a ridiculous notion.

Paul showed us in many places how to dissect the law, as to spiritual intentions.

In 1 Cor. 9 for example Paul takes a very obscure LAW out of the O.T. and dissects it for us as follows:

8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

We can see in the above, that YES, the Law of Moses was written for our sakes, so YES, it does apply. But LOOK at the conclusion of what Paul did to that LAW! He derived a meaning that is found NOWHERE in the text, yet he says "this is written."

And yes, it is written. You just have to figure out how Paul got there. What we see in LETTERS and what the Spirit will show as to Spiritual Meanings are in fact TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS.

There is a BOOK, hidden, inside the LETTERS. Purposefully hidden. And only the Spirit can take a believer through the steps of understandings. For others, for most, it is a DOOR tightly LOCKED.

 

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My church back in Colorado before I moved had collection boxes set up all over but never once asked for the congregation to give or tithe. Incidentally, they're one of the biggest churches in Colorado Springs and do a lot to help the community. The pastor usually wore nice jeans & a button-up shirt.

Another church that I attended a few times, always had a little mini-sermon on tithing & offerings before the pastors message. He wore 600 dollar suits...I didn't stay there long.

Ever run across Ted Haggert there?

 

[Deborah13]

And so we should support those who tread the grain by the gospel message, separating the grain from the chaff. They have the right to expect us to share with them from our earthly goods.
As the ox separates the grain from the chaff he is fed from that same grain.

 

[Edward]

Ever run across Ted Haggert there?

New Life, sure have. We've prayed together before. Before before, lol.

In fact, we even discussed tithing at one point, though it was me who broached the subject.

 

[Edward]

New Life, sure have. We've prayed together before. Before before, lol.

In fact, we even discussed tithing at one point, though it was me who broached the subject.

I can't just leave that at that, can I? Lol

Ok, in fairness to Pastor Ted, and since this is a tithing thread Ill tell you what his view is on tithing. New Life church is a huge church. One would expect such a large church to push tithing, but they did not. He encouraged me to not stress about it and just give according to my heart.
True story, lol.

 

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New Life, sure have. We've prayed together before. Before before, lol.

In fact, we even discussed tithing at one point, though it was me who broached the subject.

Yeah, us charismatics get around don't we? heh heh. Like to think I've seen it all at this point.

 

[smaller]

New Life, sure have. We've prayed together before. Before before, lol.

In fact, we even discussed tithing at one point, though it was me who broached the subject.

I like to remember him as a case in point. Preach vehemently against homosexuality in the pulpit, and then get caught red handed doing it in secret.

go figure.

fwiw, I think Ted will be saved, regardless. If I met him I'd have an interesting discussion about the difference between himself as a child of God and the demonic press upon the flesh, that is NOT HIM. I doubt very much he'd consider his oppression to be a DEMON in his own hide. I wonder how his life is working out now?

 

[smaller]

New Life, sure have. We've prayed together before. Before before, lol.

In fact, we even discussed tithing at one point, though it was me who broached the subject.

Would you really take any kind of teaching from that guy? I probably wouldn't.

 

[Wrg1405]

And so we should support those who tread the grain by the gospel message, separating the grain from the chaff. They have the right to expect us to share with them from our earthly goods.
As the ox separates the grain from the chaff he is fed from that same grain.

I agree. Although I would like to add it doesn't always have to be money. Occasionally with both our leaders I have gifted Amazon vouchers as I know there were books Christian books they wanted buy. So the Amazon vouchers helped. Every now and them I treat then to treats that they would consider luxuries which most of us would take for granted and other stuff.

Just to further add we do the same for their wives, my wife and I feel that is what to do. Behind every Godly man who is married their is a Godly wife. If you were to ask me if I was Godly I would probably say no but ask that about my wife I would say she is one of the most Godly, loving, caring women a man could ask for. God gave me the wife that I needed (aw shucks she would say the same about me) sorry digressed but I do thank God for her and I'm sure you men do the same.

 

[smaller]

Part of my extreme distates on the whole tithe thing comes from years of sitting in WoF ministry.

Charlatans, every last one of them. They have such distorted and skewered views on the subject I can't even bear to suffer their babbling anymore. To them God is nothing but MONEY MONEY MONEY. imho these people are possessed.

Move on.org already.

 

[Edward]

I like to remember him as a case in point. Preach vehemently against homosexuality in the pulpit, and then get caught red handed doing it in secret.

go figure.

fwiw, I think Ted will be saved, regardless. If I met him I'd have an interesting discussion about the difference between himself as a child of God and the demonic press upon the flesh, that is NOT HIM. I doubt very much he'd consider his oppression to be a DEMON in his own hide. I wonder how his life is working out now?

I've wondered that myself.

Would you really take any kind of teaching from that guy? I probably wouldn't.

What if it had been adultery instead? Would that make any difference? It's just a sin. On the same level as...little white lies. Methinks that his particular sin is personally detestable to you for some reason? At any rate, the man had a pretty good message. We didn't agree on all things, but I'm not ready to call him a false prophet or anything.

No one is right about everything. Rightly dividing the words of truth for myself, and discerning good & evil.

King David stumbled into adultery and murder, should I not read Psalms?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Even false prophets tell miniscule truths, for the best lies are couched in the truth.
King David repented and stood back up after stumbling...so is respected and even called a man after God's own heart. I hope & pray that pastor Ted has stood back up again too.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And so we should support those who tread the grain by the gospel message, separating the grain from the chaff. They have the right to expect us to share with them from our earthly goods.
As the ox separates the grain from the chaff he is fed from that same grain.[/QU

Your statement is too generalized.
You need to be more specific to make a point.

If you see a preacher on the street corner who has no church affiliation, should you support him?
Do you support him?
If you tell your pastor of a missionary who needs to be supported, and the pastor decides no, do you still support him instead of your local church?
Or do you just say "sorry".

I believe you cannot justify paying your pastor's salary and the church's electric bill before taking care of your own.