Should we refrain from praying to Jesus, since He is the HUMAN incarnation of God?

[SyrianMariam]

IF Jesus IS (present tense) fully human and fully divine, I understand why we should pray to Him. However, if He is in heaven, why should we pray to Him? God in human form fulfilled His role on Earth as a human.

 

[Iconoclast]

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

[Iconoclast]

rev6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Iconoclast]

Rev.22:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Hopeful]

IF Jesus IS (present tense) fully human and fully divine, I understand why we should pray to Him. However, if He is in heaven, why should we pray to Him? God in human form fulfilled His role on Earth as a human.

He will intercede on our part with His Father.
It is written..."... It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." (Rom 8:34)

And it never hurts to thank Him for enduring so much suffering and death on our behalf.

 

[Anaphora]

Jesus is God. He sits at the right hand of Godhead. I as God's Elect pray to both Jesus and the Godhead. My credentials to approach Godhead is Jesus. We must repent and use Jesus name to approach Godhead. Jesus arrives 7th trump to establish His kingdom. Godhead arrives after judgement day, revelation chapter 21. John 12:9. Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day ? If any man walk in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world. 11:10. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbles, because there is no light in him. You cant say I have the Godhead and disregard Jesus. You need both the son and the Father. Did Jesus die on the cross in vain??. Jesus is the credentials for Christians to approach Godhead. Jesus is our advocate and high priest. JOHN CHAPTER 10:30. I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE. Revelation chapter 22:3. And there shall be no more curse; but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it ; and His servants shall serve Him ; When the Godhead arrives after judgement day. This is the eternity. Both Jesus and the Godhead together. Those found worthy will be with Jesus and Godhead for the eternity.

 

[Highway54]

IF Jesus IS (present tense) fully human and fully divine, I understand why we should pray to Him. However, if He is in heaven, why should we pray to Him? God in human form fulfilled His role on Earth as a human.

Best to pray to Jehovah as Jesus instructed maam. Mat 6:9

 

[Vinny37]

IF Jesus IS (present tense) fully human and fully divine, I understand why we should pray to Him. However, if He is in heaven, why should we pray to Him? God in human form fulfilled His role on Earth as a human.

Q: Should we refrain from praying to Jesus, since He is the HUMAN incarnation of God?

I would say that prayer is multifaceted—praise, chat, complain, thanks, request, worship, etc.

I would say that of prayer-types, only petition should be neither to Jesus (God the son incarnated; not BTW God incarnated), nor to God the son noncarnate, nor to God the spirit. I stopped asking the lord for anything about 50 years ago.

I would say that request (generally) should only be to God the father, through the lord (in his ‘name’) and by the spirit (Eph.2:18).

Have you read Hakes' Prayer's Gone Global: Exploring Biblical Prayer (2021)?

 

[WIP]

IF Jesus IS (present tense) fully human and fully divine, I understand why we should pray to Him. However, if He is in heaven, why should we pray to Him? God in human form fulfilled His role on Earth as a human.

Too often I think we tend to look at prayer as a series of steps or a process. But, as I have read and studied Scripture over the years I have come away with a different feeling about this.

First is that Scripture is loaded with God telling us that He wants us to know Him. Not just know of Him but to know Him in a very personal way. It's amazing how many times God is recorded as saying things like, "So they will know that I am God" or "So you will know that I am the Lord" or many other similar phrases.

Second is to look at how Jesus prayed. Some examples are found in

• Matthew 26:36-44
• Mark 14:32-39
• Luke 22:41-44
• John, chapter 17

Notice, He just spoke as if He was speaking to someone He knew. He had a relationship with the Father and He conversed with Him as such. Prayer can happen anytime, anywhere. We can speak to God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit for He is with us always.

 

[hawkman]

Here is an example of prayer in action . My family and I were stopped abruptly on a rain slick highway behind a car turning left and as I looked in my rear view mirror I saw a pick-up truck that was pulling a cattle trailer and it was jackknifing unable to stop in time to avoid running into us . The only words I got out were "Lord Jesus !" . I then braced for impact but it did not come . A second or two later the pick-up managed to get straight and come around us on the shoulder of the road .

 

[jaybo]

It is not Biblical to pray to anyone except God (the Father). When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He didn't say "pray to me" He began "the Lord's prayer" with "Our Father. He said, "Pray, then, in this way: Our Father in heaven, may your name be revered as holy." NRSVue and every other translation.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Prayer Directly to the Son or Spirit
Though there is a clear pattern of prayer directly to God the Father through the Son there are indications that prayer spoken directly to Jesus is also appropriate. The fact that it was Jesus himself who appointed all of the other apostles, suggests that the prayer in Acts 1:24 is addressed to him. The dying Stephen prays “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit (Acts 7:59). The prayer “Our Lord, come!” (1 Corinthians 16:22) is addressed to Jesus, as is the prayer in Revelation 22:20b. And Paul also prayed to “the Lord” in 2 Corinthians 12:8 concerning his thorn in the flesh. There is therefore clear enough scriptural warrant to encourage us to pray to the Son.
Though no prayers directly addressed to the Holy Spirit are recorded in the New Testament, there is nothing that would forbid such prayer, for the Holy Spirit, like the Father and Son, is fully God and is worthy of prayer and is powerful to answer our prayers.
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IF Jesus IS (present tense) fully human and fully divine, I understand why we should pray to Him.

Jesus has 2 natures... human and divine; God and man.

However, if He is in heaven, why should we pray to Him? God in human form fulfilled His role on Earth as a human.

Jesus' human nature was created in time while His divine nature is eternal. While Christ's human nature is confined to 1 spot and I assume He is in heaven, His divine nature is everywhere including in Christians. For example, although we usually think of the Spirit dwelling in us, Christ also dwells in Christians. (Technically, because the Trinity is omnipresent God is in everyone, but dwelling in us refers to God being in Christians to benefit them.)
Proof text that Jesus' divine nature is in Christians: 2 Peter 1:4 For by these He has bestowed on us His precious and magnificent promises [of inexpressible value], so that by them you may escape from the immoral freedom that is in the world because of disreputable desire, and become sharers of the divine nature. ... there we have both reference to Christ divine nature and the statement that Christ's divine nature is shared with us.

 

[Free]

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[Blade]

IF Jesus IS (present tense) fully human and fully divine, I understand why we should pray to Him. However, if He is in heaven, why should we pray to Him? God in human form fulfilled His role on Earth as a human.

When they asked how to pray in the gospels that was still under the law OT. But at one point He said until now you have asked nothing in my name...Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.. So as we look in the NT its always to the Father then Jesus. What ever we ask the Father in Jesus name.

 

[DJT_47]

1 Tim 2:5
King James Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[gordon777]

The Spirit of the Son of God has to be risen within us, ( belief that Christ is the only begotten Son of God, died and rose again.)

We receive adoption of sons, because of the Spirit of the Son of God in us. ( Romans 8:15. Galatians 4:5.)

As a son, you pray to the Father, ( the Spirit of the Son meditates between the Son and the Father. Romans 8:26.)

Just as it is with man, the father and the son are no different. ( the fathers and the children, young men/sons, know Him that is from the beginning/the Father. ( 1 John 2:13.)

The Son was from the beginning, and there is no end. ( Jesus Christ the Son of God, is the beginning, the first and the last, to honour the Son differently than the Father, is dishonouring the Father and the Son. John 5:23.)




1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

Proverbs 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: