Should women cover their hair? 1 Cor 11

[Classik]

5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.

15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her[a] for a covering.

 

[reba]

1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

 

[Classik]

The colon's function should be considered. The expression after it emphasises glory. Also, "for" is a coordinating conjuction. 15 doesn't seem to be talking about hair covering. Dunno

 

[Hermit]

The whole issue is about, should we be ashamed? No, because shame is about believing that you are a mistake; and nobody is a mistake.

They got this idea from feeling guilty over the same repeated mistakes without changing them. Usually it is fear that stops a person from changing, they fear change. So the truth about being ashamed is being afraid to change. Oppression over time will cause shame.

Today, some (usually the youth) people wear hoodies. They think they are cool, but deep down they are trying to protect themselves from their own shame of being seen as not reaching their ideal self. A person in Christ, regardless of gender, ought to be fearless.

 

[reba]

Interesting thought Hermit

 

[Classik]

So, what's your stance, really?

 

[Chopper]

Hi there Classik. Head coverings huh? O my, what a topic in this day and age. The Christian Church of today, and it's leaders, mostly see head coverings, long dresses & skirts, covered arms etc, etc. as archaic and legalistic. I have found that in the "Brethren circles" mostly it's the men who insist on head coverings, not the women.

For about three years, back yonder, I fellowshipped with a Brethren group. My Daughter (Peggy) and her Husband (Doug) were a part of that group. My Daughter and her three girls all wore head coverings. Plus they had long hair. About ten years later, they bought a farm in central Maine, fellowshipped with a small group of Brethren near their farm.

As the girls got older Peggy & Doug felt the need for their children, 3 girls, and 2 boys to attend a larger Baptist Church in Bangor near them. That Baptist Church didn't believe in head coverings and for several months they felt that they were drawing attention to themselves which was not good. Peggy decided not to wear the head covering, and two of the three girls followed their Mother. One Daughter still wears her head covering because she and her Husband still attend a Brethren Assembly.

Peggy is convinced that their long hair is a covering and the girls agree.

 

[Classik]

Thanks for your reply.

Can you interpret the verses? Or what is he really teaching?
Thanks

Hi there Classik. Head coverings huh? O my, what a topic in this day and age. The Christian Church of today, and it's leaders, mostly see head coverings, long dresses & skirts, covered arms etc, etc. as archaic and legalistic. I have found that in the "Brethren circles" mostly it's the men who insist on head coverings, not the women.

For about three years, back yonder, I fellowshipped with a Brethren group. My Daughter (Peggy) and her Husband (Doug) were a part of that group. My Daughter and her three girls all wore head coverings. Plus they had long hair. About ten years later, they bought a farm in central Maine, fellowshipped with a small group of Brethren near their farm.

As the girls got older Peggy & Doug felt the need for their children, 3 girls, and 2 boys to attend a larger Baptist Church in Bangor near them. That Baptist Church didn't believe in head coverings and for several months they felt that they were drawing attention to themselves which was not good. Peggy decided not to wear the head covering, and two of the three girls followed their Mother. One Daughter still wears her head covering because she and her Husband still attend a Brethren Assembly.

Peggy is convinced that their long hair is a covering and the girls agree.

 

[Edward]

I thought it was talking about hair covering. I've never studied it out, but that was my impression. The verse just before that one talks about mens hair being long is a shame unto them. When I grew up, boys had short hair and girls had long hair. When your hair started getting long they'd say, startin to look like a girl...
Then the hippies started wearing long hair...and it filtered into the mainstream. In my 20's I started wearing my hair longer because it was more acceptable then, and the girls said I look better with longer hair.

I think those hair coverings that the Amish girls wear make them look cute.

 

[Willie T]

With some of the modern hair styles I've seen..... many of them sure should cover-up that mess.

 

[Chopper]

Basically, a head covering or long hair is a symbol of submission to a woman's husband....Another reason is verse 10....1Corinthians 11:10 "That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels."

1. Shows submission to her husband.
2. Since the woman's head is covered, Angels (evil) know she's under the authority of her husband so they won't mess with her as they did with Eve.

 

[Eugene]

1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

So would you assume that if a woman has no hair, she should be shorn?
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

 

[Classik]

Thanks, Chopper, the second seems a bit strange.

 

[Corn Pop]

Why not just take scripture as it says, a womans long hair is her covering.

 

[Chopper]

A lot of folk don't know why this head covering thing was so important to the Church at Corinth. Across the the Gulf of Corinth, to Greece. There are many ancient and modern stories about the Oracle (Pythia was her name). It seems that the most credible was that Pythia was the priestess of Delphi at the temple of Apollo in Greece.... Pythia was a figure of great historical importance that was, and still is, shrouded in mystery. She spoke for the god Apollo and answered questions for the Greeks. (Wikipedia)

She would suspend herself over a chasm and would deliver oracles in a frenzied state induced by vapors rising from the chasm in the cave like opening. The interesting fact that effected Corinth was that Pythia, the Oracle, was bald, and all her disciples (learners) were bald as well. Now, thru the spread of the Gospel in Greece, some of the Delphi's followers were getting saved and moving to Corinth and joining with the church there. Remember, they were Bald!

This is the only reason for this teaching of Paul's that I can remember. Because these bald women were receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit, they began to prophesy, and that was not allowed because they did not have a covering (long hair) to show submission to husbands or their male Pastor. Therefore the head covering came into existence to show that submission which was necessary in the first century Church of Christ Jesus.

Are head coverings necessary now? NO. The conditions now are different from the first century Corinth. Remember, to my knowledge, head coverings were not the norm in the other Churches because they didn't have bald women joining themselves to those Assemblies, just Corinth.

Additional note. Classik questioned this....

.1Corinthians 11:10 "That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels."

.... It is believed that not only was the Oracle demon possessed but her followers as well. Their Salvation evicted their possession, but did not rid them of oppression. These followers would remain easy targets for demons to mess with if they didn't have a covering on her head showing her head was under the authority of a man, her Pastor, and later her husband.
I hope this helps.

Love You All,
Chopper

 

[Classik]

Why not just take scripture as it says, a womans long hair is her covering.

What's covering?

 

[Classik]

A lot of folk don't know why this head covering thing was so important to the Church at Corinth. Across the the Gulf of Corinth, to Greece. There are many ancient and modern stories about the Oracle (Pythia was her name). It seems that the most credible was that Pythia was the priestess of Delphi at the temple of Apollo in Greece.... Pythia was a figure of great historical importance that was, and still is, shrouded in mystery. She spoke for the god Apollo and answered questions for the Greeks. (Wikipedia)

She would suspend herself over a chasm and would deliver oracles in a frenzied state induced by vapors rising from the chasm in the cave like opening. The interesting fact that effected Corinth was that Pythia, the Oracle, was bald, and all her disciples (learners) were bald as well. Now, thru the spread of the Gospel in Greece, some of the Delphi's followers were getting saved and moving to Corinth and joining with the church there. Remember, they were Bald!

This is the only reason for this teaching of Paul's that I can remember. Because these bald women were receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit, they began to prophesy, and that was not allowed because they did not have a covering (long hair) to show submission to husbands or their male Pastor. Therefore the head covering came into existence to show that submission which was necessary in the first century Church of Christ Jesus.

Are head coverings necessary now? NO. The conditions now are different from the first century Corinth. Remember, to my knowledge, head coverings were not the norm in the other Churches because they didn't have bald women joining themselves to those Assemblies, just Corinth.

Additional note. Classik questioned this........ It is believed that not only was the Oracle demon possessed but her followers as well. Their Salvation evicted their possession, but did not rid them of oppression. These followers would remain easy targets for demons to mess with if they didn't have a covering on her head showing her head was under the authority of a man, her Pastor, and later her husband.
I hope this helps.

Love You All,
Chopper

Thanks

 

[Angel Water]

Legalism is up to the individual to follow or not in my opinion. If someone feels like covering their head during church that's perfectly OK. If not, that is OK too.

One comment about the wearing of hoodies, I don't think anyone is able to make a blanket judgment. If that's how they see the wearing of a hoodie, perhaps that information is self taught. Otherwise, no one is able to blanket judge anyone else.Just my view as at times I wear a hoodie. And I am a Christian.

 

[Hermit]

...One comment about the wearing of hoodies, I don't think anyone is able to make a blanket judgment. If that's how they see the wearing of a hoodie, perhaps that information is self taught. Otherwise, no one is able to blanket judge anyone else.Just my view as at times I wear a hoodie. And I am a Christian.

Yes it is true that my statement was wrongly worded as a blanket statement. I apologize for that.

 

[Angel Water]

Yes it is true that my statement was wrongly worded as a blanket statement. I apologize for that.

Very kind of you. Blessings.