Should women wear headcoverings in church?

[Eventide]

Here's a decent article imo..

http://www.votbg.org/jabesr001.htm

A woman actually has two glories.. she is the glory of the man and her hair is also a glory.. and when an assembly comes together it is supposed to be to remember the LORD in His death til He comes.. the only glory which should be present in that meeting is the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.. the glory of the man should be covered and the glory of the woman should be covered.. although sadly enough many Christian meetings these days are more like a rock concert than they are a love feast remembering the LORD in His death..

.02

 

[Webb]

Refreshing post.

 

[Stormcrow]

STORMCROW

Your silence to my post 167 as well my repeated suggestion that we study this matter on the one-on-one is deafening. Your response has been that of hurling accusations of hypocrasy and legalism. To Asyncritus you reply "Not even worth a serious response." Such response is common to those who have NO "serious response."

I've written everything I have to write on the subject and have no interest in pursuing the issue further with people who both disingenuously twist my words and are incapable of understanding the nuances of apostolic writing.

The approach your ilk takes to Biblical interpretation is precisely why so many in the world view many in the church as nothing more than "ignorant Bible thumpers."

Therefore, our business is concluded.

Merry Christmas nonetheless.

 

[reba]

1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
Why is not the God given covering enough for some folks?

 

[Stormcrow]

1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
Why is not the God given covering enough for some folks?

Because some people are control freaks and use the Bible to justify their desire to control women via their legalistic interpretation of the Bible.

Clothing is a cultural issue NOT a spiritual issue unless certain types of attire become a distraction in the church.

Seriously, though: I honestly can't tell the difference between some Christians and the Taliban these days with the way some men want their women covered head-to-toe.

And I still strongly believe that such men who would use Paul's words - written then to deal with a specific issue - to apply to us today are little more than misogynists looking to the Bible to justify their hatred of and desire to control women. They are no better than Islaminc "Fundies" in that regard.

 

[Stormcrow]

Clothing is a cultural issue NOT a spiritual issue unless certain types of attire become a distraction in the church.

Just thought the above bears repeating and I'll explain why. If a 21st century woman were to walk into a first century Corinthian church dressed in a pants suit showing a little cleavage, THAT would be a distraction for them though we think little of such feminine attire today.

On the other hand, if a 1st century woman walked into a 21st century American church dressed head-to-toe in flowing robes and a full head covering such attire - though modest - would elicit stares. It would - likewise - be a distraction in our modern church.

Much of what Paul addressed in his letters to the Corinthians were issues revolving around the way they were conducting themselves when they met for fellowship: inappropriate dress for their time and the occasion was only one such issue.

He also had to deal with the way they partook of the Lord's Supper (chapter 11), the way women shouted questions to the one delivering a sermon in the middle of his remarks (chapter 14), the improper use of the gift of tongues during their meetings (chapter 13 - 14), and the eating of meat offered to idols (chapters 8 & 10), among others.

His words can be summarized in what he wrote in this remark:

{40} Let all things be done decently and in order. 1 Corinthians 14:40 (KJV)

Our churches today don't address the same issues those of Paul's day did, but the universal truth that can be taken from Paul's experience is that we are to run our churches "decently and in order." Why?

{33}For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV)

However a church chooses to worship God today should be done with these two verses in mind.

 

[jasoncran]

lol.

im sorry ,darn we cant have proper exegesis in the church. why that would put the dallas theological seminary out of business.

god ways are uplifting and never meant to be a burden. yet some make it seem that have heavy loads are what he wanted

 

[Stormcrow]

god ways are uplifting and never meant to be a burden. yet some make it seem that have heavy loads are what he wanted

Careful, Jason: those words will get you in trouble with God's "fashion police."

 

[Stormcrow]

the apostles writings of that time were in many ways connected to that culture, women were property, had no legal rights, etc..

{5} Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; Ephesians 6:5 (NASB)

And yet EVERYTHING Paul wrote is scripture and applies to us today! :toofunny

Slavery existed in the Roman Empire and Paul's writings reflect that reality. It does not exist in America and so Paul's words regarding slavery have nothing to do with us.

The hypocrisy of those who hold all of Paul's writings to mean all things to all people throughout all time is that they ignore such culturally-oriented passages about slavery while telling women they need to be dressed liked slaves!

Legalism = hypocrisy in any age!

 

[Asyncritus]

I've written everything I have to write on the subject

You certainly seem to have found a lot more nonsense to write. Like:

while telling women they need to be dressed liked slaves!

If I say what I think, they'll throw me off the forum.

So I won't say what I think, but I think you know what I think about what you think.

But have a Happy Christmas anyway!:christmas:christmas:christmas

Oh heck! He's wearing a hat!

 

[Stormcrow]

...but I think you know what I think about what you think.

Then you should also know that I don't care what you think.

Have a slightly better than average holiday season.

 

[Webb]

Hi Asyncritus

While offline you may have missed my post # 178.

 

[Asyncritus]

Webb

I saw it, and a very good one it is too. I don't think SC knows if he's coming or going really.

SC

You haven't replied to Former Christian's post either.

Can you do so urgently - because what you've written may well confirm him in not wanting to come back as a Christian.

You wouldn't want that now, would you?

 

[Stormcrow]

I say again, inasmuch as you reject Paul's writings as "scripture" I shall respond no more to your posts on any subject.

:biglol

Your welcome!

 

[Asyncritus]

{5} Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; Ephesians 6:5 (NASB)

And yet EVERYTHING Paul wrote is scripture and applies to us today! :toofunny

Slavery existed in the Roman Empire and Paul's writings reflect that reality. It does not exist in America and so Paul's words regarding slavery have nothing to do with us.

You must be either very naive or insular. Slavery exists in the world whether you know about it or not.

Although there is no longer any state which recognizes, or which will enforce, a claim by a person to a right of property over another, the abolition of slavery does not mean that it ceased to exist. There are millions of people throughout the world — mainly children — in conditions of slavery, as well as in various forms of servitude which are in many respects similar to slavery.

The Society's Secretary-General, while undertaking overseas Missions on behalf of the Society, met and interviewed numerous slaves and bonded laborers, many of them young children, in Africa and Asia. You can read summaries of his reports from those Missions on various pages on this site.

The Society's Secretary-General found that child slavery — one of the worst aspects of modern slavery — still exists today and is increasing. As His Royal Highness observed, “[c]ontrary to popular belief, slavery, as defined by the United Nations, is a growing problem.”
http://www.anti-slaverysociety.addr.com/slavery.htm

So this is also more nonsense:

The hypocrisy of those who hold all of Paul's writings to mean all things to all people throughout all time is that they ignore such culturally-oriented passages about slavery while telling women they need to be dressed liked slaves!

I think you owe us (and the apostle Paul) a serious apology in view of the above.

 

[Stormcrow]

Webb

I saw it, and a very good one it is too. I don't think SC knows if he's coming or going really.

SC

You haven't replied to Former Christian's post either.

Can you do so urgently - because what you've written may well confirm him in not wanting to come back as a Christian.

You wouldn't want that now, would you?

Reported for harassment.

 

[Stormcrow]

Hi Asyncritus

While offline you may have missed my post # 178.

It was reported for harassment.

 

[Asyncritus]

It was reported for harassment.

Since it's still there, the moderators obviously did not agree with you.

What will you do next?

 

[Stormcrow]

Since it's still there, the moderators obviously did not agree with you.

What will you do next?

Also reported for harassment.

 

[jasoncran]

locked for personal attacks.