Signs of the Second-Coming

[JLB]

I'm very sorry, but what you think you see doesn't exist in the scriptures.

There is exactly ZERO evidence in anything that you've trotted out that says anything of that sort.

Your opinion is meaningless in the face of the many scriptures I posted.

Where exactly do see you women having SEX with angels and having angelic/human crossbreeds in the above? There is nothing of the sort, therein.

by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.1 Peter 3:19-20


These verses define those sons of God as "spirits", 2 Peter defines them as angels.

Basically all your doing is denying the truth of the scriptures.

Already gave the citing's in the prior post. Luke 3:38, Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9, Acts 17:26-29

You gave some scripture tags that don't mean anything as none of them show that the OT refers to humans as sons of God.

that's why you didn't write out the scripture, but only "tagged" your opinion with a scripture reference.

Adam was call the son of God because he was directly created by God as the angels.

His offspring were human, which is called a son of man [Adam].


Genesis 5 shows us that there were no sons of God reproduced by a man and a woman.

The only way a persom can become a son of God after the fall is by faith in Jesus Christ.

If you have a scripture that shows us there is another way for a person to become a son of God, other than faith in Jesus Christ, then please post it.

Otherwise it's case closed.


JLB

 

[reba]

slow down the personal stuff... not necessarily directed at the last poster

 

[JLB]

Exodus 4:22-23;
"Then you shall say to Pharaoh, thus says the Lord, Israel is my son, my first born. So I said to you, let my son go that he may serve me; but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I will kill your son, your first born".

This is a prophetic reference to Jesus Christ, as Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God.

as it is written...

13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him."
14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son." Matthew 2:13-15

The man Israel who was born as Jacob, was the son of Isaac, not the son of God.

The only way for a person to become a son of God after the fall is by faith in Jesus Christ.

If you see some other way in scripture for the old testament saints to become sons of God other than through faith in Jesus Christ them please post it.

If the individual OT saints were sons of God, then why did the need a Savior.

Hosea 1:10;
"Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, you are not my people, they will be called the sons of the living God".

This was a future reference to The GENTILES, who would answer the call of the Gospel, and become sons of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved."
26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God."
Romans 9:22-26

THE SHALL BE CALLED, indicating this would be in the future.


The only way for a person to become a son of God is by faith in Jesus Christ, or be directly created by God.

Matthew 5:9;
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Amen! By faith in Jesus Christ, we have the right to BECOME sons of God.

This will occur when we are resurrected from the dead, and are sons of the resurrection...

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36

Luke 6:35;
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked".

see post above.


You have yet to show where one single human being was called a son of God in the Old Testament.

Only Adam, as he was created directly by God.


JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

This is a prophetic reference to Jesus Christ, as Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God.

as it is written...

13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him."
14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son." Matthew 2:13-15

The man Israel who was born as Jacob, was the son of Isaac, not the son of God.

The only way for a person to become a son of God after the fall is by faith in Jesus Christ.

If you see some other way in scripture for the old testament saints to become sons of God other than through faith in Jesus Christ them please post it.

If the individual OT saints were sons of God, then why did the need a Savior.




This was a future reference to The GENTILES, who would answer the call of the Gospel, and become sons of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved."
26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God."
Romans 9:22-26

THE SHALL BE CALLED, indicating this would be in the future.


The only way for a person to become a son of God is by faith in Jesus Christ, or be directly created by God.




Amen! By faith in Jesus Christ, we have the right to BECOME sons of God.

This will occur when we are resurrected from the dead, and are sons of the resurrection...

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36





see post above.


You have yet to show where one single human being was called a son of God in the Old Testament.

Only Adam, as he was created directly by God.


JLB

Nor have you made a case for angels being described in Genesis 6.

Matthew 22:30;
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels of God in heaven.
No, angels cannot reproduce.

Also, notice in Genesis 6 that all the children were mortal and they all died in the flood.
Angels cannot die.

My whole point was not that I had the right answer, but that you are out of line claiming that you do have the right answer.

 

[JLB]

Nor have you made a case for angels being described in Genesis 6.

Matthew 22:30;
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels of God in heaven.
No, angels cannot reproduce.

Also, notice in Genesis 6 that all the children were mortal and they all died in the flood.
Angels cannot die.

My whole point was not that I had the right answer, but that you are out of line claiming that you do have the right answer.

As the angels IN HEAVEN... read what it says.

These angels were guilty of leaving there own domain... heaven! The spirit realm... their abode.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

The angels who sinned during the time of Noah were cast down to hell.


JLB

 

[JLB]

Also, notice in Genesis 6 that all the children were mortal and they all died in the flood.
Angels cannot die.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Genesis 6:4

Thank you for making my point.

I hope now you can see how the Nephilim giants continued to be produced AFTER the flood.

Because the sons of God were angels and were unaffected by the flood.

That's how they continued to produce these Nephilim giants, that the children of Israel drove from the promised land.


JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Boy JLB, you just don't know when to quit.
You lost this debate back on page one

 

[reba]

Now you boys play NICE

 

[JLB]

Boy JLB, you just don't know when to quit.
You lost this debate back on page one

Thats funny!

When you can show a scripture whereby a person can become a son of God, by some other way than through faith in Jesus Christ, then you will have made your first valid point.

Until then you have done ZERO, nothing what so ever, to prove that sons of God in Genesis 6, is not a reference to angels.

Jude and Peter, both confirm it was angels, spirits, who left their abode and domain, and took wives for themselves.

Name one individual, other than Adam, who was created by God Himself, is called a son of God in the Old Testament.

Was Noah a son of God? No!

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son.
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, "This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed." Genesis 5:28-29

Noah was the son of Lamech.

You must be born again, to become a son of God, not just born, but born again.

A person has the right to become a son of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

There is no other way.

Jesus is the only way.


JLB

 

[smaller]

Your opinion is meaningless in the face of the many scriptures I posted.

by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.1 Peter 3:19-20

These verses define those sons of God as "spirits", 2 Peter defines them as angels.

And this shows angelic beings having sex with humans and having angelic human hybrids/crossbreeds where exactly?

In short, nowhere.

Basically all your doing is denying the truth of the scriptures.

I appreciate the attempts to move the bar off the position you are trying to make, but can not find in the scriptures.

 

[JLB]

And this shows angelic beings having sex with humans and having angelic human hybrids/crossbreeds where exactly?

In short, nowhere.


I appreciate the attempts to move the bar off the position you are trying to make, but can not find in the scriptures.

Do you believe that a man and a woman can produce a son of God through sexual inter course ?

Do you believe a man and a woman can produce a Nephilim giant through sexual inter course?

If your answer is yes to either one of this questions, then please cite the chapter and verse of scripture for your belief.



JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Thats funny!

When you can show a scripture whereby a person can become a son of God, by some other way than through faith in Jesus Christ, then you will have made your first valid point.

Until then you have done ZERO, nothing what so ever, to prove that sons of God in Genesis 6, is not a reference to angels.

Jude and Peter, both confirm it was angels, spirits, who left their abode and domain, and took wives for themselves.

Name one individual, other than Adam, who was created by God Himself, is called a son of God in the Old Testament.

Was Noah a son of God? No!

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son.
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, "This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed." Genesis 5:28-29

Noah was the son of Lamech.

You must be born again, to become a son of God, not just born, but born again.

A person has the right to become a son of God through faith in Jesus Christ.

There is no other way.

Jesus is the only way.


JLB

How does this pertain to the OP?

 

[smaller]

Do you believe that a man and a woman can produce a son of God through sexual inter course ?

I'm still waiting for your scriptural proof that angelic entities have sexual intercourse with human women and produce angelic/human hybrids.

Got any yet?

Do you believe a man and a woman can produce a Nephilim giant through sexual inter course?

Do I believe that two tall humans, a human male and a human female could produce a tall human male or female? Sure. No problem. It's called "line breeding" and has nothing to do with angelic beings mating with humans.

 

[JLB]

How does this pertain to the OP?

We are discussing the "signs of the second coming".

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:37

Here is what was happening during the days of Noah...

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them... Genesis 6:1-4


The way these giants were produced is when the sons of God came into the daughters of men...during the days of Noah and afterward.


Maybe your under the impression that these giants were produced when godly men and women had normal sexual relations...

is that what you think, that godly men who commanded their household after God and the daughters of men produced Nephilim giants?

Please explain why you would believe such a thing?


The Lord put these scriptures in the bible to show us why He destroyed the earth and all flesh upon the earth.

The Lord warned us that just as in the days of Noah, so it would be just before He returned to earth.

Daniel warned of the same thing.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I'm still waiting for your scriptural proof that angelic entities have sexual intercourse with human women and produce angelic/human hybrids.

Got any yet?

Yes, I cited several verses that stated it was angels, spirits would were cast down to hell for their disobedience. Jude 6-7, 2 Peter 2:4-5

and

by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.1 Peter 3:19-20

Just because you keep ignoring them, doesn't mean they weren't posted for you to study.

Do I believe that two tall humans, a human male and a human female could produce a tall human male or female? Sure. No problem. It's called "line breeding" and has nothing to do with angelic beings mating with humans.

Like the giants in the land of Canaan that the children of Israel destroyed?

I guess the Lord doesn't like tall people?



JLB

 

[smaller]

Yes, I cited several verses that stated it was angels, spirits would were cast down to hell for their disobedience. Jude 6-7, 2 Peter 2:4-5

Please show me 'angelic human sex' and the production of angelic/human crossbreeds in that. There is NONE there to be seen or had.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

We are discussing the "signs of the second coming".

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:37

Here is what was happening during the days of Noah...

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them... Genesis 6:1-4


The way these giants were produced is when the sons of God came into the daughters of men...during the days of Noah and afterward.


Maybe your under the impression that these giants were produced when godly men and women had normal sexual relations...

is that what you think, that godly men who commanded their household after God and the daughters of men produced Nephilim giants?

Please explain why you would believe such a thing?


The Lord put these scriptures in the bible to show us why He destroyed the earth and all flesh upon the earth.

The Lord warned us that just as in the days of Noah, so it would be just before He returned to earth.

Daniel warned of the same thing.


JLB

So you're saying the nephilim will come back as half angels/half human women and wreck havoc on the earth?
Hollywood would love this.

 

[JLB]

Please show me 'angelic human sex' and the production of angelic/human crossbreeds in that. There is NONE there to be seen or had.

Jude references the angels that did not keep their proper domain, with the sexual immorality of Sodom and Gomorrah...

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6-7

and again -

Peter refers to the spirits, [angels in 2 Peter] not humans but spirits who were disobedient during the days of Noah.

by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 1 Peter 3:19-20


and again

Peter directly links angels to the days of Noah, and describes their disobedience as sin which caused them to be cast down to hell.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5


All three of these scriptures point to the days of Noah in Genesis 6 ...There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.


Can you show me from Genesis 6 whereby the days of Noah is described, what the angels were doing that caused them to be cast down to hell?

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4

Where are the angels, or spirits mentioned here that Peter and Jude refer to?

Can you point out the verses that refer to angels [spirits] here in Genesis 6?



JLB

 

[JLB]

So you're saying the nephilim will come back as half angels/half human women and wreck havoc on the earth?
Hollywood would love this.

I'm saying that Jesus refers to the days of Noah, and that there were beings on the earth that were not completely human in those days.

Daniel also speaks of this...


JLB

 

[JLB]

So you're saying the nephilim will come back as half angels/half human women and wreck havoc on the earth?
Hollywood would love this.

Hollywood has been putting out the message about this for quite some time.

X Files: The Movie
Species
The Fourth Kind
Solaris
Prometheus

Star Trek
Babylon 5


Why so much talk and literature and movies and TV shows about this in the last days?