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Signs of the Second-Coming

1. Many great men of God throughout the ages have disagreed with you on this issue.
2. You keep bringing it up on this forum.
Why? It's been debated so many times.
3. You keep talking about fallen angels and giants and aliens and whatever.
Why?

Is there something I am missing?
 
1. Many great men of God throughout the ages have disagreed with you on this issue.
2. You keep bringing it up on this forum.
Why? It's been debated so many times.
3. You keep talking about fallen angels and giants and aliens and whatever.
Why?

Is there something I am missing?

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those werethe mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

It's interesting that you would believe that normal relations between a man and his wife would result in producing Nephilim giants.

These same Nephilim were produced WHEN the sons of God came into the daughters of men both before and after the flood.

Jesus said - just as in the days of Noah..,.

It's all part of the signs of that second coming.

Maybe you could share some scriptures about some signs rather than just railing against me with your unsubstantiated opinions.

I wouldn't want you to take your eyes off of Jesus or anything.

Stick to the scriptures... That's what Jesus would do.


JLB
 
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those werethe mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

It's interesting that you would believe that normal relations between a man and his wife would result in producing Nephilim giants.

These same Nephilim were produced WHEN the sons of God came into the daughters of men both before and after the flood.

Jesus said - just as in the days of Noah..,.

It's all part of the signs of that second coming.

Maybe you could share some scriptures about some signs rather than just railing against me with your unsubstantiated opinions.

I wouldn't want you to take your eyes off of Jesus or anything.

Stick to the scriptures... That's what Jesus would do.


JLB
Your assumption is that the sons of God refer to fallen angels.
Assumption.
Your assumption is that the giants were people of huge statue.
Assumption.

Please show some solid evidence that what you say is true.
Also, if God killed everyone at the flood and the fallen angels were punished for this, then why were the nephilim around after the flood, and then, what happened to them?
 
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

There is also much work being done in the field of cloning and cross genetic cloning, gene slicing...

One would have to be willfully blind to these things not to understand their implications.


JLB

Neither the devil or his messengers have the ability to have human/devil hybrid children via sexual actions. So let's just get that phony story off the table because it's utter nonsense that is found nowhere in the scriptures.

The fact is that the devil does have children. (see John 8:44) and these "children," these "demons" or "devils" do exist within mankind as an entity that is not the person. Their activity is to blind and rule the mind via adverse thoughts. HOW their kind of reproduction transpires however is and will probably remain beyond physical sights as there is no direct disclosures in the scriptures as to how this actually transpires and these "entities" remain "unseen." The most we know is from the disclosures of Jesus, that the devil plants his wicked 'seeds' in the ground of man.

They are, in short, anti-Christ spirits or the "spirit(s) of disobedience." They are not seen.
 
Stick to the scriptures... That's what Jesus would do.

But that's what you are not doing. I don't mind that you have a theory which "sounds strange". There's a lot about God that would probably sound very strange to us if we were willing to hear more of his truth.

What I have a problem with is that you are not addressing what Jesus has actually said. He refers to "the days of Noah" and your mind, at that exact moment, diverts on to all these other things about giants, crossbreeds, and the sexual sins of angels. Jesus doesn't say anything about any of those things.

He's very clear about what HE thinks were the problems of those days and he lists those problems.

Can you please say if you see any correlation between luke 17:26-28 and Luke 14:18-20 and if so, what is it?
 
What I have a problem with is that you are not addressing what Jesus has actually said. He refers to "the days of Noah" and your mind, at that exact moment, diverts on to all these other things about giants, crossbreeds, and the sexual sins of angels. Jesus doesn't say anything about any of those things.

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be...

Here in these four verses we have a description of the days of Noah.

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3
And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4


  • sons of God came in to the daughters of men - sexual sin of angels
  • There were giants on the earth in those days - giants
  • when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children - crossbreeds

These are the things that were going on in the days of Noah.

Jesus said as the days of Noah were...


JLB
 
Neither the devil or his messengers have the ability to have human/devil hybrid children via sexual actions. So let's just get that phony story off the table because it's utter nonsense that is found nowhere in the scriptures.

The fact is that the devil does have children. (see John 8:44) and these "children," these "demons" or "devils" do exist within mankind as an entity that is not the person. Their activity is to blind and rule the mind via adverse thoughts. HOW their kind of reproduction transpires however is and will probably remain beyond physical sights as there is no direct disclosures in the scriptures as to how this actually transpires and these "entities" remain "unseen." The most we know is from the disclosures of Jesus, that the devil plants his wicked 'seeds' in the ground of man.

They are, in short, anti-Christ spirits or the "spirit(s) of disobedience." They are not seen.


Can you show me the post where I said that Satan has the ability to have human/devil hybrid children?


If you can not, then you sir are the one posting phoney nonsense.


JLB
 
Your assumption is that the sons of God refer to fallen angels.
Assumption.
Your assumption is that the giants were people of huge statue.
Assumption.

Please show some solid evidence that what you say is true.
Also, if God killed everyone at the flood and the fallen angels were punished for this, then why were the nephilim around after the flood, and then, what happened to them?

The sons of God were not fallen angels.

The sons of God were angels.

Sons of God was an Old Testament reference to angels.

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
7
And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" So Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it." Job 1:6-7

  • Satan came from the earth to where the Lord was, and the sons of God.


4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

  • The sons of God were present with the Lord during the earth's creation.


And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

  • equal to the angels and are sons of God...


During the flood, all flesh on the earth died.

Only Noah and his wife and his three sons and their wives survived.

And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.
Genesis 7:21


Yet we see that the Nephilim [giants] were on the earth after the flood, even though all flesh was destroyed.

The way the Nephilim giants were produced is...There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

The only son of God listed in the genealogy of mankind is Adam, who was directly created by God himself.

the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Luke 3:38


Everyone else is referred to as sons of man [Adam].

The only way to become a son of God is to be born again by the Spirit, through faith in Jesus Christ.


This was not so in the old testament.


sons of God was a reference to angels, as Peter says -


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

These angels who sinned during the days of Noah, were cast down to hell.


Again, it would truly be science fiction to think that Nephilim giants were produced by normal sexual relations between a human man and woman.



JLB
 
But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be...

You start off with one part of Jesus' words and then...

Here in these four verses we have a description of the days of Noah.

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3
And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4

You immediately switch over to a description of Noah's day from Genesis. You never go back to what Jesus actually says ABOUT the days of Noah. You ignore that part, but later you say that you are talking about Jesus' words.

These are the things that were going on in the days of Noah.

Jesus said as the days of Noah were...

No, JLB. Jesus didn't talk about angels or sexual sins regarding Noah's or Lot's day. This is what Jesus said.

LK 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

LK 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

LK 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
 
Can you show me the post where I said that Satan has the ability to have human/devil hybrid children?

If you can not, then you sir are the one posting phoney nonsense.

JLB

JLB said:
  • sons of God came in to the daughters of men - sexual sin of angels
  • There were giants on the earth in those days - giants
  • when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children - crossbreeds
 

Satan or the Devil is not mentioned.


JLB
 
Oh, so you think it is only the HOLY ANGELS that are sexually immoral and breed human crossbreeds? lol

There were angels during Noah's day that were disobedient and tools wives of whom they chose.

2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 6:2

This is what the scriptures teach.

As I gave several scriptures that show us that the sons of God, in the OT were angels.

You on the other hand have shown nothing but contempt for God's word, as you have offered no scriptures, but only mocking.

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 1 Peter 3:18-20


He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah...


the spirits who were disobedient in the days of Noah...


JLB
 
There were angels during Noah's day that were disobedient and tools wives of whom they chose.

So, HOLY ANGELS gone south and were sexually immoral, crossbreeding with humans? Is this your final answer?
This is what the scriptures teach.

No, it's only what you think you hear. There is no such thing presented there. The sons of God were human beings who took other human beings called women, for wives.

As I gave several scriptures that show us that the sons of God, in the OT were angels.

Adam was a son of God and so are his progeny, sons of God. Luke 3:38, Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9, Acts 17:26-29

You on the other hand have shown nothing but contempt for God's word, as you have offered no scriptures, but only mocking.

No, I mock and mark your sights of angel human crossbreeding as a heresy which was debunked by the early church fathers hundreds of centuries ago.

When God said he would destroy MAN from the face of the earth, it does NOT say God was going to destroy holy/turned wicked angelically bred human crossbreeds.

Genesis 6:7
And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

This particular heresy, which, at it's essence, is the heresy that humans are DEVILS comes in many forms, and there is a virtual explosion of these various heresies today that have just taken on new forms of deceptions.
 
Let's see;
I read Genesis 6:1-8, and I see no mention of spirits, evil spirits, or angels of any kind.
In verse 3, God mentions "my Spirit".
In verse 2 we see the sons of God marrying daughters of men
In verse 3 God says, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever".

In verse 4, ...when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them.
In verse 5, "The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become...".

Each time the sons of God are mentioned, it is followed by God's anger toward men.
Where do the spirits and angels come in?

Because the verses don't make sense to you, you search for Scripture elsewhere to make it all fit together.
But it doesn't work.
 
So, HOLY ANGELS gone south and were sexually immoral, crossbreeding with humans? Is this your final answer?

Angels, on earth, were disobedient and took wives of whom they chose and had sexual relations with them during the days of Noah.

by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.1 Peter 3:19-20

Adam was a son of God and so are his progeny, sons of God. Luke 3:38, Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9, Acts 17:26-29

the sons of Adam were not called sons of God, were were sons of man [Adam].

There were no mention of sons of God or Nephilim in the lineage of Mankind.

1 This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.
3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.
5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.
6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh.
7 After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters.
8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.
9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan.
10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters.
11 So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.
12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel.
13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters.
14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.
15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared.
16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters.
17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.
18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch.
19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters.
20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.
21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah.
22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters.
23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.
24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech.
26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters.
27 So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.
28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son.
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, "This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed."
30 After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters.
31 So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.
32 And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 5:1-32

No sons of God or Nephilim giants are mentioned in the lineage of mankind.

A son of God is a reference to someone who in begotten of God Himself or is created by God Himself.

Not someone who is born of a woman through normal relations between a man and a woman.

That is why Jesus said you must be born again, which is a reference to being born of the Spirit of God.


3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:3-6

Natural child birth occurs when flesh gives birth to flesh.

The only way to become a son of God is by faith in Jesus Christ.


A man and a woman, did not produce Nephilim giants.


JLB



 
Let's see;
I read Genesis 6:1-8, and I see no mention of spirits, evil spirits, or angels of any kind.
In verse 3, God mentions "my Spirit".
In verse 2 we see the sons of God marrying daughters of men
In verse 3 God says, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever".

In verse 4, ...when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them.
In verse 5, "The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become...".

Each time the sons of God are mentioned, it is followed by God's anger toward men.
Where do the spirits and angels come in?

Because the verses don't make sense to you, you search for Scripture elsewhere to make it all fit together.
But it doesn't work.


Please tell me what you think the sons of God were if not angels?

Please show me a verse in the old testament where human being's that were born from humans are referred to as sons of God.


JLB
 
Angels, on earth, were disobedient and took wives of whom they chose and had sexual relations with them during the days of Noah.

I'm very sorry, but what you think you see doesn't exist in the scriptures.

There is exactly ZERO evidence in anything that you've trotted out that says anything of that sort.
by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.1 Peter 3:19-20

Where exactly do see you women having SEX with angels and having angelic/human crossbreeds in the above? There is nothing of the sort, therein.

the sons of Adam were not called sons of God, were were sons of man [Adam].

Already gave the citing's in the prior post. Luke 3:38, Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Matt. 23:9, Acts 17:26-29

There were no mention of sons of God or Nephilim in the lineage of Mankind.

There are no Holy angelic gone demonic human crossbreeds/halfbreeds to be found anywhere in the scriptures.

No sons of God or Nephilim giants are mentioned in the lineage of mankind.

Never said there was.
I'm still waiting for your scriptural proof of angelic/human crossbreed/halfbreeds.

GOT ANY? Or are you going to come to the obvious conclusion that there is no such presentations anywhere in the scriptures?

We can both CLEARLY see that "man" was destroyed and it was GOD WHO MADE THEM, directly from the scripture, here:

Genesis 6:7
And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Are you going to try to make a case that it was GOD who made and created angelic human crossbreeds/halfbreeds???
 
Please tell me what you think the sons of God were if not angels?

Please show me a verse in the old testament where human being's that were born from humans are referred to as sons of God.


JLB

Exodus 4:22-23;
"Then you shall say to Pharaoh, thus says the Lord, Israel is my son, my first born. So I said to you, let my son go that he may serve me; but you have refused to let him go. Behold, I will kill your son, your first born".

Hosea 1:10;
"Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, you are not my people, they will be called the sons of the living God".

Matthew 5:9;
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Luke 6:35;
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked".

I've got more, do you need more?
 
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