Sinners in the hands of an angry God

[Lyric's Dad]

Has anyone ever read this popular sermon turned book?

I have to say it is one of the absolute most disgusting things I have ever had the displeasure of reading in my life.

It turns God into a sicko who dangles us over the flames of hell without any caring in the world for us like a child would dangle a spider over flames. It says that when we are crushed and suffering that God will have no compassion. It basically turns God into the most absolute disgusting madman to have ever existed.

What a piece of trash in literature.

 

[guibox]

Yes, I completely agree.

Unfortunately, these are the fruits of the horrible, erroneous doctrine of eternal torment. Other fruits include burning people at the stake for not repenting (after all, better that their body be burned and they confess then God burning their soul in hell for a quadrillion years).

This sick, twisted doctrine has duped so many Christtians and made a mockery of the ultimate love of God that it saddens me deeply how people can believe such horrific lies about our God.

When it comes down to it, most people can't even fathom burning in fire for eternity because their rational minds would absolutely revolt against it and God Himself.

God wants nothing more than to put an end to sin and those that hang on to it willingly. Burning His children that He came and died for simply for rejecting Him during their 70+years of sinning is completely against His nature and character.

 

[Asaph]

How about we at least try and see our own ego's for what they are, and quit trying to anthropomorphise God into our own stupid understanding?

Duh.

 

[destiny]

How about we at least try and see our own ego's for what they are, and quit trying to anthropomorphise God into our own stupid understanding?

Duh.

Thank you. :smt023

 

[Lyric's Dad]

How about we at least try and see our own ego's for what they are, and quit trying to anthropomorphise God into our own stupid understanding?

Duh.

And if that does not work, try using big words like anthropomorphise to cover it up.

 

[SputnikBoy]

How about we at least try and see our own ego's for what they are, and quit trying to anthropomorphise God into our own stupid understanding?

Duh.

And if that does not work, try using big words like anthropomorphise to cover it up.

Precisely. :smt017

 

[wavy]

Yeah, it's crap.

 

[bbas 64]

How about we at least try and see our own ego's for what they are, and quit trying to anthropomorphise God into our own stupid understanding?

Duh.

And if that does not work, try using big words like anthropomorphise to cover it up.

Good Day, Lyric's Dad

Fear not the use of words, for in them are the abilty to convey truth if used and understood correctly.

http://www.websters.com

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[bibleberean]

Revelation 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Revelation 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So are you saying to agree with the tripe contained within the book I mentioned?

 

[bibleberean]

I quoted some scriptures that show that it is not good to be an unsaved sinner and experience God's wrath and anger.

You don't have a problem with those scriptures do you?

What parts of Jonahton Edwards sermon do you take issue with?

 

[bibleberean]

Here is a quote from Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

by Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758)
Enfield, Connecticut
July 8, 1741

This acceptable year of the Lord, a day of such great favours to some, will doubtless be a day of as remarkable vengeance to others. Men's hearts harden, and their guilt increases apace at such a day as this, if they neglect their souls; and never was there so great danger of such persons being given up to hardness of heart and blindness of mind.

God seems now to be hastily gathering in his elect in all parts of the land; and probably the greater part of adult persons that ever shall be saved, will be brought in now in a little time, and that it will be as it was on the great out-pouring of the Spirit upon the Jews in the apostles' days; the election will obtain, and the rest will be blinded. If this should be the case with you, you will eternally curse this day, and will curse the day that ever you was born, to see such a season of the pouring out of God's Spirit, and will wish that you had died and gone to hell before you had seen it.

Now undoubtedly it is, as it was in the days of John the Baptist, the axe is in an extraordinary manner laid at the root of the trees, that every tree which brings not forth good fruit, may be hewn down and cast into the fire.

Therefore, let every one that is out of Christ, now awake and fly from the wrath to come. The wrath of Almighty God is now undoubtedly hanging over a great part of this congregation: Let every one fly out of Sodom: "Haste and escape for your lives, look not behind you, escape to the mountain, lest you be consumed."

I don't see anything wrong with that part.

The whole thing can be read here.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/sinners.htm

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;
but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

 

[wavy]

^^I may have read that wrong, but it seems he thinks (wrongly) the "acceptable year of the Lord" is Yom-יהוה or Day of Yahweh...

 

[bibleberean]

Isaiah 61:1-2 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

acceptable

ratsown raw-tsone'

or ratson {raw-tsone'}; from 7521; delight (especially as shown):--(be) acceptable(-ance, -ed), delight, desire, favour, (good) pleasure, (own, self, voluntary) will, as...(what) would.

Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Luke 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.


Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

The point being that ...

This acceptable year of the Lord, a day of such great favours to some, will doubtless be a day of as remarkable vengeance to others. Men's hearts harden, and their guilt increases apace at such a day as this, if they neglect their souls; and never was there so great danger of such persons being given up to hardness of heart and blindness of mind.

Jonathan Edwards

 

[wavy]

A stretch at best. The "acceptable year of the Lord" doubtless refers to the year of Yovel/Jubilee, all the captives set free...

The LXX, which Yahshua quotes from (or the Hebrew text from which the LXX was copied) reads "recompence", rather than "vengeance".

If we read Leviticus 25 (to understand what Jubilee is), doubtless we could tie it all together...

 

[bibleberean]

A stretch at best. The "acceptable year of the Lord" doubtless refers to the year of Yovel/Jubilee, all the captives set free...

The LXX, which Yahshua quotes from (or the Hebrew text from which the LXX was copied) reads "recompence", rather than "vengeance".

If we read Leviticus 25 (to understand what Jubilee is), doubtless we could tie it all together...

This is a good way to get off topic. No thanks...

 

[bibleberean]

Revelation 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So are you saying to agree with the tripe contained within the book I mentioned?

Lyrics Dad,

I am wondering what parts of the sermon you you disagree with specifically.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/sinners.htm

 

[wavy]

This is a good way to get off topic. No thanks...

Well, it was in direct answer to your assertion. But anyway, back on topic, the sermon is still crap and religious nut material...

 

[bibleberean]

This is a good way to get off topic. No thanks...

Well, it was in direct answer to your assertion. But anyway, back on topic, the sermon is still crap and religious nut material...

Thank you for your very scholarly and well thought out critique. I am sure everyone will benefit from it... :

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I quoted some scriptures that show that it is not good to be an unsaved sinner and experience God's wrath and anger.

You don't have a problem with those scriptures do you?

What parts of Jonahton Edwards sermon do you take issue with?

I don't have issue with any scripture until it is used to support faulty doctrines and have much that it is not meant to say read into it.

I have much issue with the fact that this "preacher" makes God out to be a maniac who dangles us, screaming, over the flames of hell as a child would a spider, basically for His kicks. That is utterly disgusting.