Sinners in the hands of an angry God

[bibleberean]

I quoted some scriptures that show that it is not good to be an unsaved sinner and experience God's wrath and anger.

You don't have a problem with those scriptures do you?

What parts of Jonahton Edwards sermon do you take issue with?

I don't have issue with any scripture until it is used to support faulty doctrines and have much that it is not meant to say read into it.

I have much issue with the fact that this "preacher" makes God out to be a maniac who dangles us, screaming, over the flames of hell as a child would a spider, basically for His kicks. That is utterly disgusting.

I didn't see that in the sermon. I saw this.../ God's hand keeps us from falling into a much deserved fate of eternal damnation. We deserve hell but God is longsuffering towards us.

Are there not many here who have lived long in the world, and are not to this day born again? and so are aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and have done nothing ever since they have lived, but treasure up wrath against the day of wrath? Oh, sirs, your case, in an especial manner, is extremely dangerous. Your guilt and hardness of heart is extremely great. Do you not see how generally persons of your years are passed over and left, in the present remarkable and wonderful dispensation of God's mercy? You had need to consider yourselves, and awake thoroughly out of sleep. You cannot bear the fierceness and wrath of the infinite God.-And you, young men, and young women, will you neglect this precious season which you now enjoy, when so many others of your age are renouncing all youthful vanities, and flocking to Christ?

You especially have now an extraordinary opportunity; but if you neglect it, it will soon be with you as with those persons who spent all the precious days of youth in sin, and are now come to such a dreadful pass in blindness and hardness. And you, children, who are unconverted, do not you know that you are going down to hell, to bear the dreadful wrath of that God, who is now angry with you every day and every night? Will you be content to be the children of the devil, when so many other children in the land are converted, and are become the holy and happy children of the King of kings?

Luke 3:7-10 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?

The people today would say "who can follow a god like that?
God is only love not wrath!"


God's wrath is coming upon those who don't know Him.

Jonathon Edwards sermon is not politically correct but it sounds much the same as the words of John the Baptist and Jesus.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Paul also warns us of God's displeasure with sin and unbelief.

Romans 11:20-21 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I quoted some scriptures that show that it is not good to be an unsaved sinner and experience God's wrath and anger.

You don't have a problem with those scriptures do you?

What parts of Jonahton Edwards sermon do you take issue with?

I don't have issue with any scripture until it is used to support faulty doctrines and have much that it is not meant to say read into it.

I have much issue with the fact that this "preacher" makes God out to be a maniac who dangles us, screaming, over the flames of hell as a child would a spider, basically for His kicks. That is utterly disgusting.

I didn't see that in the sermon. I saw this.../ God's hand keeps us from falling into a much deserved fate of eternal damnation. We deserve hell but God is longsuffering towards us.

Are there not many here who have lived long in the world, and are not to this day born again? and so are aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and have done nothing ever since they have lived, but treasure up wrath against the day of wrath? Oh, sirs, your case, in an especial manner, is extremely dangerous. Your guilt and hardness of heart is extremely great. Do you not see how generally persons of your years are passed over and left, in the present remarkable and wonderful dispensation of God's mercy? You had need to consider yourselves, and awake thoroughly out of sleep. You cannot bear the fierceness and wrath of the infinite God.-And you, young men, and young women, will you neglect this precious season which you now enjoy, when so many others of your age are renouncing all youthful vanities, and flocking to Christ?

You especially have now an extraordinary opportunity; but if you neglect it, it will soon be with you as with those persons who spent all the precious days of youth in sin, and are now come to such a dreadful pass in blindness and hardness. And you, children, who are unconverted, do not you know that you are going down to hell, to bear the dreadful wrath of that God, who is now angry with you every day and every night? Will you be content to be the children of the devil, when so many other children in the land are converted, and are become the holy and happy children of the King of kings?

Luke 3:7-10 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?

The people today would say "who can follow a god like that?
God is only love not wrath!"


God's wrath is coming upon those who don't know Him.

Jonathon Edwards sermon is not politically correct but it sounds much the same as the words of John the Baptist and Jesus.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Paul also warns us of God's displeasure with sin and unbelief.

Romans 11:20-21 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

I am trying to find the exact wordings but there is not an online copy I can find. Since I threw that piece of trash where it belongs, in the trash, I don't have it to pick out the quotes. I will keep trying.

It very clearly teaches that men are like spiders being dangled over the fires of hell and that when we are damned and crushed that God will have no compassion whatsoever.

Disgusting but then again, that is the filth that much of the modern "church" tries to teach to scare people into the arms of their "loving" version of Christ.

 

[Gary]

I am trying to find the exact wordings but there is not an online copy I can find. Since I threw that piece of trash where it belongs, in the trash, I don't have it to pick out the quotes. I will keep trying.

It very clearly teaches that men are like spiders being dangled over the fires of hell and that when we are damned and crushed that God will have no compassion whatsoever.

Disgusting but then again, that is the filth that much of the modern "church" tries to teach to scare people into the arms of their "loving" version of Christ.

BB has already given you the online version.

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/sinners.htm

:D

 

[Solo]

It is better to warn the lost of their eternal condemnation as opposed to teaching the enemy's deception of doubt. Does it not appear to be a lie of satan as was his deception of Eve in the garden; "God did not say that", or "God did not mean that", or "God wouldn't do that to you", or etc. etc. etc.

Jesus taught that there would be eternal life for the sheep, and eternal punishment for the goats in Matthew 25. The same Greek word used for "eternal" in eternal life is the same Greek word used for "everlasting" in everlasting punishment and everlasting fire.


31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into "everlasting" fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:31-46

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Seems as if as in the days of this "preacher" some today also love the idea of people burning.

Unimaginable.

I will go to that book and sort through it.

 

[Solo]

Preachers of the Word of God know that Jesus never lies, and they hate the fact that unbelievers are choosing everlasting punshment over eternal life. That is why they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Romans 10:13-15

 

[destiny]

Seems as if as in the days of this "preacher" some today also love the idea of people burning.

Unimaginable.

I will go to that book and sort through it.

Why not debate the topic Lyrics Dad, why accuse the person personally?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Well, we can just start with some of the disgusting statements in this book and I will see if I come across the referenced area I spoke of.

The strange thing is that some of this is what I hear some on this board fling around.

Anyway;;

So that it is not because God is unmindful of their wickedness, and does not resent it, that he does not let loose his hand and cut them off. God is not altogether such an one as themselves, though they may imagine him to be so. The wrath of God burns against them, their damnation does not slumber; the pit is prepared, the fire is made ready, the furnace is now hot, ready to receive them; the flames do now rage and glow. The glittering sword is whet, and held over them, and the pit hath opened its mouth under them.

Oh, here it is. The wonderful LOVING nature of this mans god is astounding;

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours.

And going to church is meaningless as God hates you and does not want you to attend;

There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.

Oh, my mistake. This guys god is most certainly loving and concerned for his children. This is certainly the same God that sent His only Son to die for our sins because of His infinite love and compassion, silly me.

When God beholds the ineffable extremity of your case, and sees your torment to be so vastly disproportioned to your strength, and sees how your poor soul is crushed, and sinks down, as it were, into an infinite gloom; he will have no compassion upon you, he will not forbear the executions of his wrath, or in the least lighten his hand; there shall be no moderation or mercy, nor will God then at all stay his rough wind; he will have no regard to your welfare, nor be at all careful lest you should suffer too much in any other sense

I cannot bear to read another word of this filth. I am so glad that I destroyed this book and trashed it. All such rags should be dealt with accordingly.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Seems as if as in the days of this "preacher" some today also love the idea of people burning.

Unimaginable.

I will go to that book and sort through it.

Why not debate the topic Lyrics Dad, why accuse the person personally?

Who did I accuse?

Did my statement prick your heart? If so, maybe you should look at it. If not then don't personalize. I made a general statement.

 

[guibox]

Well, let's start with some of this clap trap first, shall we...?

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment.

Do I even have to try and explain how horrible and monstrous this garbage is?

O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell..

Definitely not a God of love but a God of fear. We should be very afraid of this God, not be drawn to His everlasting and ultimate love. There is no love in this message.

That God will execute the fierceness of his anger, implies, that he will inflict wrath without any pity. When God beholds the ineffable extremity of your case, and sees your torment to be so vastly disproportioned to your strength, and sees how your poor soul is crushed, and sinks down, as it were, into an infinite gloom; he will have no compassion upon you, he will not forbear the executions of his wrath, or in the least lighten his hand; there shall be no moderation or mercy, nor will God then at all stay his rough wind; he will have no regard to your welfare, nor be at all careful lest you should suffer too much in any other sense, than only that you shall not suffer beyond what strict justice requires.

First of all, I have a hard time with a Savior who cried for Jerusalem and knows when a sparrow falls to not have compassion or pity on the beloved children He came and died for while they were yet sinners in their rebellion.

Second, I fail to see what kind of 'justice' is ever satisified by eternal torment.

God will be so far from pitying you when you cry to him, that it is said he will only "laugh and mock," Prov. i. 25, 26, &c.

This verse is not talking about the ultimate fate of the wicked in hell. What a cruel God to laugh at tortured sinners.

If you cry to God to pity you, he will be so far from pitying you in your doleful case, or showing you the least regard or favour, that instead of that, he will only tread you under foot. And though he will know that you cannot bear the weight of omnipotence treading upon you, yet he will not regard that, but he will crush you under his feet without mercy; he will crush out your blood, and make it fly, and it shall be sprinkled on his garments, so as to stain all his raiment. He will not only hate you, but he will have you, in the utmost contempt: no place shall be thought fit for you, but under his feet to be trodden down as the mire of the streets.

Great God. Lucky the Bible shows that suffering will come to an end so Edward's God can't do the abominable things he says He will do.

When the great and angry God hath risen up and executed his awful vengeance on the poor sinner, and the wretch is actually suffering the infinite weight and power of his indignation, then will God call upon the whole universe to behold that awful majesty and mighty power that is to be seen in it....You shall be tormented in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb; and when you shall be in this state of suffering, the glorious inhabitants of heaven shall go forth and look on the awful spectacle, that they may see what the wrath and fierceness of the Almighty is; and when they have seen it, they will fall down and adore that great power and majesty. Isa. lxvi. 23, 24. "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

They will bow down alright. Mostly out of fear for their lives.

There is some parts missing here. Something about playing on the string of pain and suffering or something.

There is also more false doctrine about Satan waiting for you in hell. Satan is not in 'hell' now and will get exactly what the sinners get.

This doctrine is based on the false Catholic teaching of hell that was permeating throughout Christendom. Edward merely takes this fallacy to a whole new level. This was the only God they knew. I guess you can't blame him for thinking that way.

It doesn't make it true or right, however.

 

[Gary]

Looks like the UR fundies are out in force again....

Deny hell, deny God's wrath, deny that you should fear God. Deny Jesus' words:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into "everlasting" fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

:-?

 

[Solo]

Hell is much worse than described in that preacher's sermon. He does preach the way out for each man. I especially thought this portion was insightful:

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  All wicked men's pains and contrivance which they use to escape hell, while they continue to reject Christ, and so remain wicked men, do not secure them from hell one moment. Almost every natural man that hears of hell, flatters himself that he shall escape it; he depends upon himself for his own security; he flatters himself in what he has done, in what he is now doing, or what he intends to do. Every one lays out matters in his own mind how he shall avoid damnation, and flatters himself that he contrives well for himself, and that his schemes will not fail. They hear indeed that there are but few saved, and that the greater part of men that have died heretofore are gone to hell; but each one imagines that he lays out matters better for his own escape than others have done. He does not intend to come to that place of torment; he says within himself, that he intends to take effectual care, and to order matters so for himself as not to fail.
  But the foolish children of men miserably delude themselves in their own schemes, and in confidence in their own strength and wisdom; they trust to nothing but a shadow. The greater part of those who heretofore have lived under the same means of grace, and are now dead, are undoubtedly gone to hell; and it was not because they were not as wise as those who are now alive: it was not because they did not lay out matters as well for themselves to secure their own escape. If we could speak with them, and inquire of them, one by one, whether they expected, when alive, and when they used to hear about hell ever to be the subjects of that misery: we doubtless, should hear one and another reply, "No, I never intended to come here: I had laid out matters otherwise in my mind; I thought I should contrive well for myself: I thought my scheme good. I intended to take effectual care; but it came upon me unexpected; I did not look for it at that time, and in that manner; it came as a thief: Death outwitted me: God's wrath was too quick for me. Oh, my cursed foolishness! I was flattering myself, and pleasing myself with vain dreams of what I would do hereafter; and when I was saying, Peace and safety, then suddenly destruction came upon me. (SINNERS IN THE HANDS OF AN ANGRY GOD by Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) Enfield, Connecticut July 8, 1741)

 

[Gary]

It is better to warn the lost of their eternal condemnation as opposed to teaching the enemy's deception of doubt. Does it not appear to be a lie of satan as was his deception of Eve in the garden; "God did not say that", or "God did not mean that", or "God wouldn't do that to you", or etc. etc. etc.

Jesus taught that there would be eternal life for the sheep, and eternal punishment for the goats in Matthew 25. The same Greek word used for "eternal" in eternal life is the same Greek word used for "everlasting" in everlasting punishment and everlasting fire.


31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into "everlasting" fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:31-46

Good post. Many still deny hell.

Norman L. Geisler, (1999). Baker encyclopedia of Christian apologetics.
Baker reference library (Page 308).
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/ch ... y/hell.htm

Hell - The wicked will be banished into endless misery
(JI Packer: Concise Theology - A guide to historic Christian beliefs)
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/packer/hell.htm

:evil:

 

[wavy]

Hell is much worse than described in that preacher's sermon.

And how in the world would you know this, solo?

 

[Solo]

Hell is much worse than described in that preacher's sermon.

And how in the world would you know this, solo?

Mere human words can not describe the terrible fate of those who will experience the eternal punishment that was originally made for the devil and those angels that rebelled.

 

[Relic]

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Read the book of Jude. Dare you say that book is for beating someone over the head with the bible? There are plenty of books in the bible that brow beat the sinner. If any of you think people are doing the brow beating you are mistaken! It is scripture that speaks for itself. And speaking of hell and the fires of hell are a part of the realities of life and death we all need to fess up to and face the truth of it, Like it or not. If you have a problems with scripture, then you need to take it up with God and stop accusing people of beating people over the head with scritpures.

And, if the scriptures being used are "according to you" too hard on a person, a newcomer, a sensitive person, then what is it to you? Are you the authority that says a person can or cannot use certain scriptures in reference to some behavior or not? :o

Also, on this other issue brought up earlier in regards to if a person hears the voice of God or not. Who are we to say if a person directly heard the voice of God or not? Has anyone compared what they said to what the scripture says? Has anyone offered to help them discern the things they speak of by examining the scriptures with them to see if they are in accord with the Holy word of God? You straight away accuse them of being wackos without giving details as to what was said? :-?


The bible is a book to teach, convict and convert. If anyone doesn't like the hard core truth of it, and the tough love that is within it, then take it up with God.
I have no problem with correction and, I have no problem with being told about all of the truth within it of heaven and of hell. I have no problems with being taught of the warnings and of the rewards in life, be them of good consequences bad consequences. Life is full of hard lessons and life is full of easy ones.
Learning about Hell and the process of the burning fire and the purging of sins, and the breaking off of branches and the sacrifices and the carrying of ones own cross are all hard lessons to face. And if someone is going to tell me to avoid speaking of these things to someone who is a newcomer, or that it is too offensive to speak about these things in a certain way, well, they are the one who has the problem with the scripture. If they can't take the truth of what scripture says, then they need to take it up with God. There are plenty of scripture in the bible that are very disturbing to someone who has no idea of the perils in life and how one must respect and revere the Lord God in ALL of His creation. God set apart things in life that are for sanctification, to be HOLY unto His people. If someone here doesn't like the hard facts involved with learning these lessons in life, then they need to take it up with God and stop accusing people of brow beating with scripture.

• 2 Timothy 3
  16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

• Jude 1:20-23
  But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

There are valuable lessons to be learned in the various uses of the word fear as it is stated in the bible.

Yes, like it or not.... Sometimes we have to save a person with the use of fear in order to pull them out of the fire of sin.


Because of the fact that scripture is convicting we must not leave any of it out of the conversation just because a person might be offended by the use of them. Like it or not. Fire and hell are in the bible.
Dare anyone say we must not speak of them in truth according to the scriptures, jsut because they think it is offensive to a person and/orit would be beating the person over the head with them? :o

How about getting that black magic marker out and blotting out all the scriptures you might think to be used as a means to brow beat someone. :roll: Would that be a better way to present the bible to some "newcomer" or someone who might take offense to a sermon that uses reference to the truth in the bible about hell and fire? :-? If you did, your bible would be more than half of it blotted out! It would look like some government document that was blackened out because of the secrecy the government didn't want you to know about. :-?



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[bibleberean]

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Very graphic description of God's wrath and punishment of the wicked.

If those verses were all a person read and focused on in the bible then we might be inclined to believe that God is a harsh tyrant.

What Lyrics Dad in his rush to discredit Jonathan Edward's sermon left out was the words of hope for the wicked.

And now you have an extraordinary opportunity, a day wherein Christ has thrown the door of mercy wide open, and stands in calling and crying with a loud voice to poor sinners; a day wherein many are flocking to him, and pressing into the kingdom of God.

Many are daily coming from the east, west, north and south; many that were very lately in the same miserable condition that you are in, are now in a happy state, with their hearts filled with love to him who has loved them, and washed them from their sins in his own blood, and rejoicing in hope of the glory of God.

How awful is it to be left behind at such a day! To see so many others feasting, while you are pining and perishing! To see so many rejoicing and singing for joy of heart, while you have cause to mourn for sorrow of heart, and howl for vexation of spirit! How can you rest one moment in such a condition? Are not your souls as precious as the souls of the people at Suffield, where they are flocking from day to day to Christ?

The bible isn't a book for the politically correct. It is a book for those who want to face the truth head on and learn from it's pages.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Wrath for the dogs and fornicators love for those who love God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

To the pit with those teachings that leave out the truth and make it appear that God is not displeased with those who despise His just punishments and chastenings.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Looks like the UR fundies are out in force again....

This is so funny. Anytime someone does not think that God is a maniac, they must be a UR fundy. Well, if that is the case it would only lend credence to the UR position but can we not discuss the issues without people thinking it automatically is a UR discussion?

And I am not surprised at all of some of the comments made in support of this evil sermon.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

What Lyrics Dad in his rush to discredit Jonathan Edward's sermon left out was the words of hope for the wicked.

But of course he has to throw in the obligatory "but if you believe what my version of the way to eternal life is then you can avoid the LOVING God waiting to sizzle you forever" speech. That is part of the whole scare em' into the LOVE of Jesus thing that is so prevalent anymore.

 

[bibleberean]

The bible isn't a book for the politically correct. It is a book for those who want to face the truth head on and learn from it's pages.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Wrath for the dogs and fornicators love for those who love God.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

To the pit with those teachings that leave out the truth and make it appear that God is not displeased with those who despise His just punishments and chastenings.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But of course he has to throw in the obligatory "but if you believe what my version of the way to eternal life is then you can avoid the LOVING God waiting to sizzle you forever" speech. That is part of the whole scare em' into the LOVE of Jesus thing that is so prevalent anymore.

I suppose in the eyes of the PC the loving God who inspired every word of the bible is just throwing in the "obligatory" come to me on my terms or be cast into the lake of fire that is prevalent in the scriptures.

Wait! That is what He is saying!

Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

I can believe God or the syrupy, dung, limp wristed false gospel of the politically correct.

I choose to believe God!

Revelation 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.