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Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

MarkT said:
Tell her Jesus did good works, so we should do good works. Or you can quote Paul.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
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I'm with you MarkT.
But she only likes Ephesians 2:8-9
Do you know how many obedience verses there are?
PLENTY.
They don't do any good.

Now I hear that Jesus preached the LAW, but Paul preached grace. And since Jesus taught him grace through inspiration and direct knowledge...grace prevails.

I find there is no understanding at all, and I find this predominantly in the OSAS group of believers.
 
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wondering said:
What do you mean by "not many over there"?
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not that i need to explain.. i will stand alone on my belief. if you see a crowd going over the hill and then you see someone walking in the opposite direction..that is ME . once again it does not matter to me if you dont..i told you where i stand gave scriptures.. if i have to stand alone i will 24 Now unto( him that is able to keep you from falling, )and to present you" faultless" before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, :readbible..i dont care who come up with or when .i got this on my own
Baptist - Baptists do not believe salvation can be lost. "All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end."
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this is %100 wrong not all baptist believe this way General Baptist and free will does not..!!! as per baptist there is a list of baptist a mile long and not all believe the same way would there be anything else they say gnats are bad this time of year
 
Christ_empowered said:
yeah, ive seen calvinists who love theology but Jesus...not so much...

and SBC people, same deal. Episcopalians...definitely. I don't think I've seen it much in Pentecostals, but I've only known dedicated Christians in the Pentecostal churches...I'm sure there are some tares among the wheat there, too.
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ive seen it in all...
 
wondering said:
I'm with you MarkT.
But she only likes Ephesians 2:8-9
Do you know how many obedience verses there are?
PLENTY.
They don't do any good.

Now I hear that Jesus preached the LAW, but Paul preached grace. And since Jesus taught him grace through inspiration and direct knowledge...grace prevails.

I find there is no understanding at all, and I find this predominantly in the OSAS group of believers.
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Tell her if she thinks God is her Father, she better wisen up or he'll take a paddle to her behind.
 
wondering said:
Now I hear that Jesus preached the LAW, but Paul preached grace. And since Jesus taught him grace through inspiration and direct knowledge...grace prevails.
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to some degree Christ did preach/teach law.. but not law as we understand it.. he still taught one must be born again . 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. this was fulfilled at the cross .. imo paul was only continuing the fulfillment
Hebrews 9
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

all of Hebrews 9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9&version=KJV
 
MarkT said:
Tell her if she thinks God is her Father, she better wisen up or he'll take a paddle to her behind.
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i think you need to tell her directly ..she may have few things for you to read. if i could guess you claim to have the correct doctrine?
 
ezra said:
to some degree Christ did preach/teach law.. but not law as we understand it.. he still taught one must be born again . 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. this was fulfilled at the cross .. imo paul was only continuing the fulfillment
Hebrews 9
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

all of Hebrews 9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9&version=KJV
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Please answer this:
What does fulfilled mean in relationship to Christ's sacrifice?

What did JESUS mean by the law?

What do WE mean by the law?

Why should there be a difference?
 
What does fulfilled mean in relationship to Christ's sacrifice?
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satisfy -complete in 3 words it is finished all these question can be fund in Hebrews 9
What did JESUS mean by the law?
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figuratively speaking the Gospel

What do WE mean by the law?
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i will let you answer imo the answer will vary all the laws pointed towards Christ the law 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. law of death law of life in christ


Why should there be a difference?
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difference as in what ?
 
ezra said:
difference as in what ?
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Difference in what Jesus meant as the law and what we mean as the law.


We are to obey the law of Christ, which is every thing Jesus says:

His gospel
His commandments
His doctrine


His word is law.


He is the mediator of the New Covenant.

Moses was the mediator of the law of Moses.







JLB
 
ezra said:
to some degree Christ did preach/teach law.. but not law as we understand it.. he still taught one must be born again . 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. this was fulfilled at the cross .. imo paul was only continuing the fulfillment
Hebrews 9
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

all of Hebrews 9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9&version=KJV
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Hi Ezra,
Jesus preached law to every degree.
What He taught for over 3 years taught us how to behave, what to do and what kind of character He'd like us to have.

In the New Covenant the Civil and Ceremonial Law was abolished,,,but the Moral Law was not abolished and Jesus never meant for it to be.

He plainly states this in Mathew 5:17...In fact in Mathew 5:20 He states that our righteousness must surpass that of the pharisees. How can Jesus mean "fulfilled" if He can say this?

That He fulfilled the Law must certainly mean that he fulfilled the prophecies concerning the law,,,for instance in Jeremiah 31:33 God says He will write the Laws on men's hearts...NOT that they will be abolished.

Jesus did not speak a lot about being born again.
He does say this and it is important...but if we notice He did actually speak more about what must be done to be born again.

1. Know God. Be born from above. Be in tune with God.

2. Follow His commandments.
 
ezra said:
satisfy -complete in 3 words it is finished all these question can be fund in Hebrews 9
figuratively speaking the Gospel

i will let you answer imo the answer will vary all the laws pointed towards Christ the law 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. law of death law of life in christ


difference as in what ?
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Sorry Ezra,

I missed your last question up above.
JLB answered it perfectly in his post no. 449.

There should be NO difference between what Jesus meant by the Law and what we mean by the Law.

The Law -- We are to follow Jesus' moral law which He preached since it is the very nature of God to be a moral being.
 
wondering said:
Sorry Ezra,

I missed your last question up above.
JLB answered it perfectly in his post no. 449.

There should be NO difference between what Jesus meant by the Law and what we mean by the Law.

The Law -- We are to follow Jesus' moral law which He preached since it is the very nature of God to be a moral being.
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Why is it that so many find it difficult to accept that Jesus has expectations of those who have been saved? We so much desire to be our own god.
 
wondering said:
Sorry Ezra,

I missed your last question up above.
JLB answered it perfectly in his post no. 449.

There should be NO difference between what Jesus meant by the Law and what we mean by the Law.

The Law -- We are to follow Jesus' moral law which He preached since it is the very nature of God to be a moral being.
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well then jlb must have the perfect theology so you didnt need my answer
 
WIP said:
Why is it that so many find it difficult to accept that Jesus has expectations of those who have been saved? We so much desire to be our own god.
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i often wonder why so many strain at the gnat they feel they have to improve on the plan of salvation
 
JLB said:
Difference in what Jesus meant as the law and what we mean as the law.


We are to obey the law of Christ, which is every thing Jesus says:

His gospel
His commandments
His doctrine


His word is law.


He is the mediator of the New Covenant.

Moses was the mediator of the law of Moses.







JLB
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thank you wondering
 
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