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(Some) OSASers must believe that God created human robots!

allenwynne said:
I don't see your point Stan. I read Hebrews 6 and 9 and I guess I read it differently than you.
I see in Hebrews 10:39 NIV, But you do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
They seem to be 2 different groups of people to me.
And your statement, God gave the Apostles to Jesus and set his seal on them.
Where is that in Scripture?
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Yep they are. The first are apostates and the second are Christians. What do you think they shrank back from to be destroyed?

John 17 would be a good place to start.
 
Kathi said:
Of the many,many Catholics I have worked with I have seen the "No fruit" in them the most.Many have said they are recoverying Christians.Many go to Church each and every Sunday but from what I have seen and heard I am confused about their walk with God.I must say I knew one lady who I respected from what I witnessed regarding her faith.And she was Catholic.
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I have talked to many on forums that I feel are saved but for the most part in North America I to am at a loss.
 
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7) Do not post opinions of another member's claim of Christian faith. (ToS 2.4)
Publicly judging someone as not being a Christian and/or not following Christ unless they themselves claim not be a Christian is disallowed. That's between them and the Lord. This includes judgments against collective beliefs or groups in general.

IMO the OP attacks blocks of Christians. Closed for moderator review Admin
 
Thread opened again with some modification to the OP to reflect "some" who believe in OSAS fit into the two categories presented in order to comply with the ToS.

:) Thank you Obadiah, Reba
 
I want to make it clear, that I in no way believe that those who support OSAS are not Christian. They are just wrong in their understanding of scripture. As far as RCs are concerned, my observations are based on personal knowledge and being an ex RC. They are no doubt, as an organization, Christian, but as in all denoms, Jesus tells us that plenty will claim to be but that claim can only be substantiated and demonstrated by their lifestyle. Matthew 7:21-23 (NIV)
 
Stan1953 said:
I want to make it clear, that I in no way believe that those who support OSAS are not Christian. They are just wrong in their understanding of scripture. As far as RCs are concerned, my observations are based on personal knowledge and being an ex RC. They are no doubt, as an organization, Christian, but as in all denoms, Jesus tells us that plenty will claim to be but that claim can only be substantiated and demonstrated by their lifestyle. Matthew 7:21-23 (NIV)
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lol :lol Well,the OSAS thinks you are wrong in your understanding of scripture.How can anyone claim to be right?Isn't that prideful?
 
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You guys dont like have threads to post in?.. .admin.... Please use or learn some manners...

Some one around here said something like.. When forming a post sorta pretend it is to your mom...

Saying i disagree.... is a bit different then saying YOU are a liar... which choice of words would put you on the fight?




Kathi you are a class act.. :hug
 
Kathi said:
lol Well,the OSAS thinks you are wrong in your understanding of scripture.How can anyone claim to be right? Isn't that prideful?
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Yes I know, but we both have to be able to support our POV from scripture, which I am more than willing to do, and do you think both POVs are right?
 
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reba said:
You guys dont like have threads to post in?.. .admin.... Please use or learn some manners...
Some one around here said something like.. When forming a post sorta pretend it is to your mom...
Saying i disagree.... is a bit different then saying YOU are a liar... which choice of words would put you on the fight?
Kathi you are a class act.. :hug
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It would be really helpful if you would be more specific. Obviously you didn't include Kathi in your comment, so WHO accused someone of being a liar? I didn't see post 47 before it was deleted so am I correct in assuming it was in that post?
 
Stan1953 said:
As I never have, I can't relate to how, except to say that if we stop listening to the Holy Spirit's prodding when we do stray, it won't take long to stop hearing from Him all together. As I quoted above in Heb 6 & 10, it depicts those who do give up or shrink back. God does not warn us about things that do not or can not happen.
God gave the Apostles to Jesus and set His seal on them, yet Judas gave up. No one knows the thought processes he went through, but eventually his guilt about what he did and the realization of who he did it too made him kill himself. I CAN'T relate to that.
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Can you show me the scripture where Yahweh put His seal on Judas ?

Joh_6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
 
Deborah13 said:
So how did you do that?
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You copy the address like you indicated but then instead of pasting it into the post you highlight the post number and do a few things to show it as I did.
1. Click on the chain link in the bar above the post. The one that does NOT have the X under it. A dialog box comes up and you paste the link in there.
2. Because this site does not highlight this link well, you go in and choose a color for it and underline it.
3. Hit Post Reply.
 
Stan1953 said:
John 17:6-12 (NIV) is one place.
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John 17 makes no specific mention of Judas and since we were earlier shown that Judas was "a devil " how can we assume he was ever saved ? Being "one of the twelve " was a position Judas held in the ministry and it seems from the beginning he wasn't a faithful follower of Jesus. Do you have any other scriptures ?
 
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