That is what I believe DRS.But you can lose rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ/Bema Seat Judgement.Some will lose reward according to what they have done while in these bodies on Earth.But of course you will still go to heaven.
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(Some) OSASers must believe that God created human robots!
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Correct. One day I will meet you in heaven Kathi. Pretty cool huh. Will you buy me a cappuccino when we get there?
Cappuccino?I don't know know if they will have those but I will give you a big hug...how about that?
Coool! :shades
Stan1953
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Hi John,
OSAS / Eternal Security, is one of the five points of Calvinism, and is taught within it by the improper exegesis of scripture.
The fact is it is intrinsically linked to the entire TULIP doctrine so debating this aspect inevitably leads to the other four points.
Heb 6:4-6 and 10:38-39 demonstrates OSAS is not correct, as does 2 Thess 2:3.
What is important to note is that supporters of OSAS will equivocate on the word apostasy, to connote LOSE. We don't LOSE our salvation, but we can walk away from it as many have done, including one of the biggest evangelists that originally partnered with Billy Graham in the early days of their ministry. After experiencing Heb 6:4-6, he(Charles Templeton) walked away in a state of apostasy. Jesus said we will inherit eternal life IF we endure. That is up to us. If we give up there is no security of salvation, just certainty of eternal punishment.
OSAS / Eternal Security, is one of the five points of Calvinism, and is taught within it by the improper exegesis of scripture.
The fact is it is intrinsically linked to the entire TULIP doctrine so debating this aspect inevitably leads to the other four points.
Heb 6:4-6 and 10:38-39 demonstrates OSAS is not correct, as does 2 Thess 2:3.
What is important to note is that supporters of OSAS will equivocate on the word apostasy, to connote LOSE. We don't LOSE our salvation, but we can walk away from it as many have done, including one of the biggest evangelists that originally partnered with Billy Graham in the early days of their ministry. After experiencing Heb 6:4-6, he(Charles Templeton) walked away in a state of apostasy. Jesus said we will inherit eternal life IF we endure. That is up to us. If we give up there is no security of salvation, just certainty of eternal punishment.
Yes,there are those who will walk away from their faith.Were they ever saved to begin with?That is the question.
Your explanation sounds like a good works argument.
Where does Jesus fit in?
Deborah13
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That is the question isn't it. I don't think we can answer that question because God is the only one to truly knows.
Stan1953
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Funny, I thought I replied to the issue of OSAS/Eternal Security, not salvation?
If you are trying to insinuate SE into this thread I won't bite. I suggest you start a thread on that, and I will be more than pleased to participate in it.
Stan1953
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Sure, if you see who these people are in Heb 6 & 10, they were indeed Christians. You can't fall away and shrink back from something if you never actually attained it. The book is directed at believers.
You may also want to refer to Luke 8:11-15
Like Deb said only God knows the heart.
My misunderstanding you Stan. Your final statement "If we give up" through me off.
I don't understand how we can be filled with the Spirit of God and just give him up.
If God makes us stand firm in Christ, how can we give him up?
If Jesus anoints us and sets his seal of ownership on us, how can we just give him up?
Stan1953
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Yes, but we can also determine by what we see as James did. Bottom line is that Hebrews is the inspired word of God, so you either believe what / who he depicted were actual believers or you don't. This is also not a thread about the reliability of God's Word, is it?
It is not my place to judge.Especially hypocritically.I have heard many say "I am a Chistian" and from what I hear and see I am totally confused
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Stan1953
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As I never have, I can't relate to how, except to say that if we stop listening to the Holy Spirit's prodding when we do stray, it won't take long to stop hearing from Him all together. As I quoted above in Heb 6 & 10, it depicts those who do give up or shrink back. God does not warn us about things that do not or can not happen.
God gave the Apostles to Jesus and set His seal on them, yet Judas gave up. No one knows the thought processes he went through, but eventually his guilt about what he did and the realization of who he did it too made him kill himself. I CAN'T relate to that.
The Holy Spirit and the conscience.Do you believe they are the same?Dr.Charles Stanley is one of my favorites to listen to.He once did a sermon on a person "being shelved".It had to do with someone who asked God onto their life once and then did a total turnaround.Then doing everything what God says not to do.
Stan1953
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I agree on both counts. My mother is RC and I know she is not saved, despite her POV that RCs are Christian. If you read the maps on Wiki about what % of countries claim what % they are of Christians, you would feel dubious to say the least. However the Bible deals in absolute spiritual facts, so we can be assured that when it says real believers can fall away into apostasy or shrink back, they indeed do.
I don't see your point Stan. I read Hebrews 6 and 9 and I guess I read it differently than you.
I see in Hebrews 10:39 NIV, But you do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
They seem to be 2 different groups of people to me.
And your statement, God gave the Apostles to Jesus and set his seal on them.
Where is that in Scripture?
Of the many,many Catholics I have worked with I have seen the "No fruit" in them the most.Many have said they are recoverying Christians.Many go to Church each and every Sunday but from what I have seen and heard I am confused about their walk with God.I must say I knew one lady who I respected from what I witnessed regarding her faith.And she was Catholic.
Stan1953
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No. Humans have conscience before they are born again. We receive the Holy Spirit AFTER we confess Jesus and are saved.
Luke 8:11-15 sounds like it inspired Charles Stanley's sermon. There is a lot of disagreement on that scripture, but IMO v13-15 depicts the various types of Christians. However v12 clearly shows those who do NOT receive God Word into their hearts.