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Somethings that are a sin for one may not be for Another

joseph lentz

joseph lentz

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I have the "opinion",that there ARE certain things that all Believers can sin in. However,somethings like smoking I believe are between an individual and God.If one person smokes and is not convicted to stop,fine.
I feel that if and when his conscience/conviction/God,tell him to stop and disobeys,then it become sin.Whatcha think?
(Smoking is just an example that popped into my head.)
 
joseph lentz said:
I have the "opinion",that there ARE certain things that all Believers can sin in. However,somethings like smoking I believe are between an individual and God.If one person smokes and is not convicted to stop,fine.
I feel that if and when his conscience/conviction/God,tell him to stop and disobeys,then it become sin.Whatcha think?
(Smoking is just an example that popped into my head.)
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I think you are Biblically correct. Engaging in an act another thinks is wrong, blatantly doing it in front of them just because you understand the freedom to do so, would be dishonoring them.
 
joseph lentz said:
I have the "opinion",that there ARE certain things that all Believers can sin in. However,somethings like smoking I believe are between an individual and God.If one person smokes and is not convicted to stop,fine.
I feel that if and when his conscience/conviction/God,tell him to stop and disobeys,then it become sin.Whatcha think?
(Smoking is just an example that popped into my head.)
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Joseph,

So do these verses not apply to smokers?

19Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body (1 Cor 6:19-20 NLT).​

Is the dirty habit of contaminating the human body with cigarette smoke (with the potential for lung cancer) not a sin against God (not honoring Him), you (contaminating your body) and others ( providing smoke that has the potential to damage the bodies of them)?

Could you have a blind spot here? Are you a smoker?

Oz
 
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.

For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
 
OzSpen said:
Joseph,

So do these verses not apply to smokers?

19Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body (1 Cor 6:19-20 NLT).​

Is the dirty habit of contaminating the human body with cigarette smoke (with the potential for lung cancer) not a sin against God (not honoring Him), you (contaminating your body) and others ( providing smoke that has the potential to damage the bodies of them)?

Could you have a blind spot here? Are you a smoker?

Oz
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Up until about 10 years ago. I quit for health reasons not because of conviction.
 
kiwidan said:
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
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So ya fer it or agin it?
 
But considering that it is not our righteousness that gains us access into Heaven but Jesus'...

Is it relevant?
 
joseph lentz said:
Up until about 10 years ago. I quit for health reasons not because of conviction.
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Joseph,

Does 1 Cor 6:19-20 (NLT) apply to all Christians and smoking or not? Surely something as bad as cigarette, cigar, and pipe smoking would be dishonoring to God and thus be a sin against God for ALL people?

Opinion and feeling are unbiblical notions of interpretation.

Oz
 
My belief is this. The Law passed from being Temple administered to being Christ administered. When we first come to Christ, He meets us in the "sewer" of our sins. As we get to know Him, He begins to show us our sins. He then takes us into a more mature walk of obedience. As He shows us what behaviors, thoughts, words, deeds must be dealt with....it becomes incumbent upon us to obey. He starts writing His Law on our hearts until we no longer want to smoke, drink, gamble, view pornography, etc. Those are the things He has done and is doing for me.
 
OzSpen said:
Joseph,

Does 1 Cor 6:19-20 (NLT) apply to all Christians and smoking or not? Surely something as bad as cigarette, cigar, and pipe smoking would be dishonoring to God and thus be a sin against God for ALL people?

Opinion and feeling are unbiblical notions of interpretation.

Oz
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I personally don't believe it means cigarettes,no. But that's my feel on it.You can feel either which way you like.I sure won't hold it against you. These days,milk is not fit to drink,and additives to meat cause cancer in some cases.
 
daninthelionsden said:
My belief is this. The Law passed from being Temple administered to being Christ administered. When we first come to Christ, He meets us in the "sewer" of our sins. As we get to know Him, He begins to show us our sins. He then takes us into a more mature walk of obedience. As He shows us what behaviors, thoughts, words, deeds must be dealt with....it becomes incumbent upon us to obey. He starts writing His Law on our hearts until we no longer want to smoke, drink, gamble, view pornography, etc. Those are the things He has done and is doing for me.
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That was my point,when He tells you to quit,then it becomes sin.
 
Drinking isn't a sin. Otherwise communion would be much different. Smoking is different but I'd count it largely in the same category. It would become a sin in my opinion if it was done at the expense of others, or possibly if done in excess. Maybe not though.
 
joseph lentz said:
I personally don't believe it means cigarettes,no. But that's my feel on it.You can feel either which way you like.I sure won't hold it against you. These days,milk is not fit to drink,and additives to meat cause cancer in some cases.
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Joseph,

You are still ducking and weaving. Is smoking honoring God with your body for everyone who is a Christian and smokes (1 Cor 6:20 NLT)?

Oz
 
joseph lentz said:
I personally don't believe it means cigarettes,no. But that's my feel on it.You can feel either which way you like.I sure won't hold it against you. These days,milk is not fit to drink,and additives to meat cause cancer in some cases.
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Why doesn't it include cigarettes? Can you drag on fags when God has told us to honor him with our bodies?

'You can feel' is not legitimate biblical interpretation. If I lived life according to how I feel, I'd be a mess. I've had 5 open-heart valve replacement surgeries and have felt horrible on many occasions, suffering from post-traumatic stress. I have epilepsy and a grand mal seizure is not fun - the feeling is horrific.

I urge you to get out of the 'feel' approach to religion and get into the factual content of what Christianity teaches.

Oz
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
Drinking isn't a sin. Otherwise communion would be much different. Smoking is different but I'd count it largely in the same category. It would become a sin in my opinion if it was done at the expense of others, or possibly if done in excess. Maybe not though.
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What makes it 'maybe not though'?
 
Sin is a matter of the heart period. It's not what enters a mans physical body that defiles him, it's what enters the heart.

Who knows if someone can smoke or not without sinning. But Biblically based smoking in and of itself is not sin. There are a lot of things we consume these days that are horrible for our body. There are are a lot of things we do to our body that are not good.

Addiction, that's sin, because that's idolatry.

The passage in Corinthians dealing with the body was about sexual immorality. There were some who honestly thought they could, in a right heart, have sexual encounters outside the covenant of marriage.

Paul had to make them understand that it's impossible to do such things.
 
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