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Somethings that are a sin for one may not be for Another

joseph lentz said:
Matt.7:15-23
It is not what goes into the body that defiles. But what comes out,for out of the abundance of the heart speaks adultries and such.That's what defiles.
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We got to talking about smoking. But you only used that as an example so we kind of got away from your question.

I agree that what may not be sin to one person, may be sin to another person.

Let's say that I'm used to telling my husband everything...good and bad, we share all.
Then let's say something happens that makes it difficult for him to hear the bad.

Should I still share everything with him even though it causes harm? (due to illness)
Of course not.

So even though sharing is not a sin, maybe for ME, it is.

And if God tells me it is, and if I feel the Holy Spirit convicting me, and if I continue, then I'm sinning.

I agree with daninthelionsden , post 12 --- God will convict us.
And with Nathan , post 20 --- it's a matter of the heart.
 
Nathan said:
Sin is a matter of the heart period. It's not what enters a mans physical body that defiles him, it's what enters the heart.

Who knows if someone can smoke or not without sinning. But Biblically based smoking in and of itself is not sin. There are a lot of things we consume these days that are horrible for our body. There are are a lot of things we do to our body that are not good.

Addiction, that's sin, because that's idolatry.

The passage in Corinthians dealing with the body was about sexual immorality. There were some who honestly thought they could, in a right heart, have sexual encounters outside the covenant of marriage.

Paul had to make them understand that it's impossible to do such things.
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What is 'biblically based smoking'?
 
OzSpen said:
What is 'biblically based smoking'?
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Great question! :coffee

"Biblically based smoking" is when you just wake up and forget to put a comma in a sentence. Not a sin per say, but a mistake none the less. :)

That should have read; "But Biblically based, smoking in and of itself is not sin."
 
Nathan said:
Great question! :coffee

"Biblically based smoking" is when you just wake up and forget to put a comma in a sentence. Not a sin per say, but a mistake none the less. :)

That should have read; "But Biblically based, smoking in and of itself is not sin."
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Funny.
It reminded me of Luke:24:43
Important where that comma goes!
 
joseph lentz said:
Matt.7:15-23
It is not what goes into the body that defiles. But what comes out,for out of the abundance of the heart speaks adultries and such.That's what defiles.
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The passage is Mark 7:15-23 and not Matthew.

But Scripture also says, 'You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?' (Matt 7:16 NLT).

I sure don't want to be known by the fags I drag. Hardly seems like grape from the grapevine to me.

Oz
 
Nathan said:
Who knows if someone can smoke or not without sinning. But Biblically based smoking in and of itself is not sin. There are a lot of things we consume these days that are horrible for our body. There are are a lot of things we do to our body that are not good.
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Spot on, IMHO. I've never smoked, so there is no personal motive in my opinion on the matter. But to your point, where do we start calling something a sin along the continuum of healthy eating or habits?

This is similar to arguments I've seen where someone takes the position that driving a gas-guzzler is a sin, because of our obligation to be caretakers of God's creation. Some people really took a hard line on that here on CFnet, but it was as illogical as this. Someone who drives a Volkswagen could criticize an SUV driver, but someone who drives a bike could criticize the Volkswagen driver.

Someone who doesn't smoke could call it sin while they're pounding a Big Mac, but a vegetarian could call them out. A vegan could call out the vegetarian.

Sin is ultimately a condition of the heart. It's when we desire to take something that isn't ours or we know we shouldn't. And the sin actually occurs before that act when we have it in our heart to do it. If a smoker is not personally convicted to stop smoking, who are we to call it sin, when we do things we're not convicted to stop?
 
joseph lentz said:
Matt.7:15-23
It is not what goes into the body that defiles. But what comes out,for out of the abundance of the heart speaks adultries and such.That's what defiles.
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So is an act of adultery a sin for one person and not for another?
 
joseph lentz said:
Hi OzSpen,
It certainly is. as I stated on the outset,there are acts that are pointed out as sin for all Believers.But not "everything" is sin.
Some things are left between the person and God.
1 Cor.6:12,13
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Could you provide an example? This sounds off the mark.
 
Mike said:
Spot on, IMHO. I've never smoked, so there is no personal motive in my opinion on the matter. But to your point, where do we start calling something a sin along the continuum of healthy eating or habits?

This is similar to arguments I've seen where someone takes the position that driving a gas-guzzler is a sin, because of our obligation to be caretakers of God's creation. Some people really took a hard line on that here on CFnet, but it was as illogical as this. Someone who drives a Volkswagen could criticize an SUV driver, but someone who drives a bike could criticize the Volkswagen driver.

Someone who doesn't smoke could call it sin while they're pounding a Big Mac, but a vegetarian could call them out. A vegan could call out the vegetarian.

Sin is ultimately a condition of the heart. It's when we desire to take something that isn't ours or we know we shouldn't. And the sin actually occurs before that act when we have it in our heart to do it. If a smoker is not personally convicted to stop smoking, who are we to call it sin, when we do things we're not convicted to stop?
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Great reply Mike.
If my family goes hungry so I could have a really nice e car, to me that would be sinful.
But not if I made a million a year.

It could get pretty silly as you pointed out.

Brought to its logical conclusion, we wouldn't be allowed to own anything!
 
joseph lentz said:
I have the "opinion",that there ARE certain things that all Believers can sin in. However,somethings like smoking I believe are between an individual and God.If one person smokes and is not convicted to stop,fine.
I feel that if and when his conscience/conviction/God,tell him to stop and disobeys,then it become sin.Whatcha think?
(Smoking is just an example that popped into my head.)
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A Rabbi was asked the question, If a Jew eats pork that is not kosher, will God reject him? The Rabbi's answer was no, God will not reject him, but by eating pork, he may see the Lord a lot sooner. You can apply that to cigarettes also.
 
OzSpen said:
What makes it 'maybe not though'?
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Drinking in excess, is a sin and is harmful in ways we can see. Eating in excess is the same. Spoking verses smoking in excess, doesn't make a person a drunk and lose their senses, nor does it fuel their greed for food and eat while others starve.

So the maybe not though is that if smoking is unhealthy, making it a sin, then smoking in excess is the same just worse in the amount done. (Kind of like lying a little verses lying constantly sort of thing). But if smoking a little is like drinking a little and not a sin, then perhaps smoking a lot is not a sin either just horrible for your wallet and your health. Smoking more as far as I can tell doesn't make a person sin more like eating and drinking in excess does. Thus the "maybe not" is applied in my reasoning.
 
WIP said:
I guess I'm not sure I understand how that would show times when adultery was not a sin.
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Sorry? I didn't say adultery wasn't a sin at anytime.
I am saying there are things like adultery,murder,lying,etc,that everyone knows is sin. But there are other things like smoking,having a beer at the ballgame, and leaving the dishes 'til morning that are not. To me "to sin" simply means "miss the mark". If God says "joseph do this" or "don't do that" and I pay no heed,then it becomes sin.
 
joseph lentz said:
Sorry? I didn't say adultery wasn't a sin at anytime.
I am saying there are things like adultery,murder,lying,etc,that everyone knows is sin. But there are other things like smoking,having a beer at the ballgame, and leaving the dishes 'til morning that are not. To me "to sin" simply means "miss the mark". If God says "joseph do this" or "don't do that" and I pay no heed,then it becomes sin.
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In post #28 OzSpen asked the following.
OzSpen said:
So is an act of adultery a sin for one person and not for another?
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To which you replied with this (note what I bold typed)...
Hi OzSpen,
It certainly is. as I stated on the outset,there are acts that are pointed out as sin for all Believers.But not "everything" is sin.
Some things are left between the person and God.
1 Cor.6:12,13
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So then I asked if you could provide a reference (where adultery was not a sin for some.)
 
So... Following this logic...

Cutting yourself would be a sin.
Ergo...Pierced ears, noses and etc are sinful. As in Isaac's wife.

Sorry,. I just don't buy this logic
 
Is being rude to our brothers and sister in Lord a sin? Does being , condescending or rude glorify our Father?

This thread is not about smoking..

My grandmother though it would be a sin to wear pants most anywhere and heaven forbid to church...

Some of this topic falls into these passages

1Co_6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1Co_10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
 
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