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Bible Study Sons Of God, Giants & The New World Order - Pt 1

ezra said:
hang on this angel theory does not compute as they are neither male or females they do not have material bodies as humans do. This is further supported by the fact they do not function as human beings in terms of marriage and procreation (mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead,they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven. ) nor are they subject to death (Luke 20:36 36 For they cannot die anymore, because they are like angels and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection ). i will confess the sons of God and giants is a bit of a mystery to me.. but to say angels impregnated someone is NOT Bible
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Good scripture and very inciteful.

Thank you for referring to scripture, which is how sound doctrine is established.

First of all did you notice the phrase:

And are like the angels and are sons of God.

Angels are sons of God.


Are we in agreement so far?



JLB
 
ezra said:
hang on this angel theory does not compute as they are neither male or females they do not have material bodies as humans do. This is further supported by the fact they do not function as human beings in terms of marriage and procreation (mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead,they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven. ) nor are they subject to death (Luke 20:36 36 For they cannot die anymore, because they are like angels and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection ). i will confess the sons of God and giants is a bit of a mystery to me.. but to say angels impregnated someone is NOT Bible
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Secondly, the scriptures say they are like the angels "in heaven", which is the abode and domain that these angels did not keep, in which they manifested in the earth, when the had relations with the daughters of men.

For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Mark 12:25

  • but are like angels in heaven.

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

Thirdly, I would point out, that it is when we "are counted worthy to attain that age and the resurrection from the dead", that we will be called sons of God, because we are like the angels.


The point being, that day has not yet come, so we who are in Christ, are called sons of God through faith, in which we have the hope of becoming sons of God, through the grace and power of the Spirit.


The final point in this, Galatians says those of us who are in Christ, are neither male nor female.

Obviously, those of us who are in Christ, are still male and female and can still marry and have children, which means that Paul is speaking "spiritually", we are neither male nor female, slave of free, Jew or Gentile.


There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28






JLB
 
ezra said:
hang on this angel theory does not compute as they are neither male or females they do not have material bodies as humans do. This is further supported by the fact they do not function as human beings in terms of marriage and procreation (mark 12:25 For when they rise from the dead,they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels in heaven. ) nor are they subject to death (Luke 20:36 36 For they cannot die anymore, because they are like angels and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection ). i will confess the sons of God and giants is a bit of a mystery to me.. but to say angels impregnated someone is NOT Bible
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I was going to use the Galatians 3 scripture and make a similar comment as JLB, but he beat me to it.




ME
 
JLB said:
Secondly, the scriptures say they are like the angels "in heaven", which is the abode and domain that these angels did not keep, in which they manifested in the earth, when the had relations with the daughters of men.

For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Mark 12:25

  • but are like angels in heaven.

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

Thirdly, I would point out, that it is when we "are counted worthy to attain that age and the resurrection from the dead", that we will be called sons of God, because we are like the angels.


The point being, that day has not yet come, so we who are in Christ, are called sons of God through faith, in which we have the hope of becoming sons of God, through the grace and power of the Spirit.


The final point in this, Galatians says those of us who are in Christ, are neither male nor female.

Obviously, those of us who are in Christ, are still male and female and can still marry and have children, which means that Paul is speaking "spiritually", we are neither male nor female, slave of free, Jew or Gentile.


There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28






JLB
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Excellent points.




ME
 
JLB said:
Good scripture and very inciteful.

Thank you for referring to scripture, which is how sound doctrine is established.

First of all did you notice the phrase:

And are like the angels and are sons of God.

Angels are sons of God.


Are we in agreement so far?



JLB
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agreement with scripture words yes agreement that angels can have sex with human beings and reproduce------NO
 
ezra said:
agreement with scripture words yes agreement that angels can have sex with human beings and reproduce------NO
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Ok.

Can you at least review the points I made from the scriptures I posted, and comment where you disagree.


Secondly, the scriptures say they are like the angels "in heaven", which is the abode and domain that these angels did not keep, in which they manifested in the earth, when the had relations with the daughters of men.

For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Mark 12:25

  • but are like angels in heaven.

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

Thirdly, I would point out, that it is when we "are counted worthy to attain that age and the resurrection from the dead", that we will be called sons of God, because we are like the angels.


The point being, that day has not yet come, so we who are in Christ, are called sons of God through faith, in which we have the hope of becoming sons of God, through the grace and power of the Spirit.


The final point in this, Galatians says those of us who are in Christ, are neither male nor female.

Obviously, those of us who are in Christ, are still male and female and can still marry and have children, which means that Paul is speaking "spiritually", we are neither male nor female, slave of free, Jew or Gentile.


There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28






JLB
 
Free said:
in no way whatsoever does it mean that the Nephilim (not giants) will be back on the earth. Jesus's only point is that people will continue to live in sin, going about their business, and then get caught unaware at his coming. As such, it really has no bearing on this topic.
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WHAT? That is EXACTLY the topic of this thread!
 
Have you ever seen the size of animals before the flood such as a ground sloth or Irish elk ? Were they the product of fallen sons of God too ?
 
God created mankind with a natural desire and physical pleasure for one another as man and wife through sexual desire . God saw it was good and we populated the Earth .. But really if God had not decreed sex as good it would really be nasty if you think about it , yet angels who were created without this desire imo decided to take on sex suddenly, I don't buy it when they can influence and ruin mankind through their spirit with demonic oppression and possession in the first place ..
 
show me a scripture that says angels have sex with human beings and multiply .that is my point the rest where who what come from i dunno..but angels having sex with humans does not compute
 
Razeontherock said:
Free said:
Jesus's only point is that people will continue to live in sin, going about their business, and then get caught unaware at his coming. As such, it really has no bearing on this topic.
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WHAT? That is EXACTLY the topic of this thread!
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So, you're saying that the suddenness of Jesus's coming is the topic of this thread? That's interesting as I haven't seen it mentioned once, although I haven't read every post. Perhaps you can point to where this was mentioned, particularly in the context of the discussion where you first brought the passage up, which was here: http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...s-the-new-world-order-pt-1.75066/post-1451071
 
brujaq said:
God created mankind with a natural desire and physical pleasure for one another as man and wife through sexual desire . God saw it was good and we populated the Earth .. But really if God had not decreed sex as good it would really be nasty if you think about it , yet angels who were created without this desire imo decided to take on sex suddenly, I don't buy it when they can influence and ruin mankind through their spirit with demonic oppression and possession in the first place ..
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You have angels and fallen angels and demons all kinda mixed together.

Please address the points of scripture I posted.


JLB
 
brujaq said:
Have you ever seen the size of animals before the flood such as a ground sloth or Irish elk ? Were they the product of fallen sons of God too ?
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There's detailed artwork all over the planet of what the apocryphal books of Jasher and/or Enoch talk about, mixing one kind of flesh with another. Sartyrs, for one example.

Yes, all such would be the product of Angels that left their first estate, and Scripture leaves us traces of info as well as pointing back to these books or oral traditions if they weren't written down in their own day.

Why was Noah picked again? Look closely at the original language.

I'm not making doctrine out of this, it's just an interesting topic. With too much supporting evidence to be handwaved away.
 
Free said:
So, you're saying that the suddenness of Jesus's coming is the topic of this thread? That's interesting as I haven't seen it mentioned once, although I haven't read every post. Perhaps you can point to where this was mentioned, particularly in the context of the discussion where you first brought the passage up, which was here: http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...s-the-new-world-order-pt-1.75066/post-1451071
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:hips



You said giants have nothing to do with the subject. Please notice the title of the thread.

Anyway we need Chopper to expound on what his point was in the OP ...
 
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