Soul Sleep yes or no?

[LeviR]

What then becomes of their “hell”?

The translators of the KJV and other translations were all sold on their idea of “Immortal soul” and “hell”. And it is shown in their translation.
31 times translated as “hell”, 31 times translated as “grave” and 3 times as “pit” in the OT of the KJV.

After all, since man was supposedly given an immortal soul rather than becoming a living soul, that immortal soul must go somewhere when the body dies.

Gen 25:8
Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

The “ghost” of Abraham was not gathered to his people. Abraham, the man, died.

The NKJV gets it right:

NKJV
Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people

They used the word “ghost” as a way to personify what they believe is a “real person” without physical form.

The damage done by the RCC lives on.

The word shoel should be understood as the place where the dead go. Those who are no longer alive and living. It’s the grave.

The RCC is ignorant of the figurative language of scripture. That’s why they believe they are eating the actual flesh and blood of Christ every Sunday. And why they pray to dead “saints”.
They pray to nonexistent ghosts.

 

[Hopeful 2]

For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. (2 Cor. 3:4)

Tent, carrying case...about the same importance to me.
Something to be left behind, at the return of Christ Jesus.

 

[Hopeful 2]

For Paul, immortality means having a body prepared for him by resurrection from the dead.
If he were not raised from the dead to be clothed with a new body mortality could not be swallowed up by life. There would be no life.
If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not raised, and if Christ is not raised, faith is worthless.
We all die, return to dust, and stay there.

You do realize, I hope, that Paul, and his body, are two different things.
Whether or not Paul is in a vessel makes no difference...in the long run.
It is Paul that will endure the final judgement, and not his body.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Nevertheless, the spirit returns to God, and we get a new angelic body.

Yes, in resurrection, same as Jesus.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

For Paul, immortality means having a body prepared for him by resurrection from the dead.
If he were not raised from the dead to be clothed with a new body mortality could not be swallowed up by life. There would be no life.
If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not raised, and if Christ is not raised, faith is worthless.
We all die, return to dust, and stay there.

Yes, a new glorious, immortal body instead of a wandering ghost.

 

[LeviR]

Yes, a new glorious, immortal body instead of a wandering ghost.

I don’t believe in ghosts.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

What then becomes of their “hell”?

The translators of the KJV and other translations were all sold on their idea of “Immortal soul” and “hell”. And it is shown in their translation.
31 times translated as “hell”, 31 times translated as “grave” and 3 times as “pit” in the OT of the KJV.

After all, since man was supposedly given an immortal soul rather than becoming a living soul, that immortal soul must go somewhere when the body dies.

Gen 25:8
Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

The “ghost” of Abraham was not gathered to his people. Abraham, the man, died.

The NKJV gets it right:

NKJV
Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people

They used the word “ghost” as a way to personify what they believe is a “real person” without physical form.

The damage done by the RCC lives on.

The word shoel should be understood as the place where the dead go. Those who are no longer alive and living. It’s the grave.

The RCC is ignorant of the figurative language of scripture. That’s why they believe they are eating the actual flesh and blood of Christ every Sunday. And why they pray to dead “saints”.
They pray to nonexistent ghosts.

Yeah, I'd say the worst part of KJV is the translation of spirit into "ghost". In common folk lores, a ghost is a person who died an untimely demise with unfinished business on earth, they're able to communite with the living through some uncanny, supernatural, often scary ways to finish what they've left behind, until then they're condemned to be wandering around on earth without a body. Prince Hamlet's father in Shakespears' Hamlet is a good example of this. But this is neither a modern belief or a Medieval belief, it could be dated all the way back to the first century, even further before that. You might remember King Saul channelling prophet Samuel's ghost, and he got punished by God for that; when the resurrected Jesus appeared to the disciples, doubting Thomas thought he was seeing a ghost. Same as the question arose from this belief in the Corinthian church. So "ghost" is the essence of a dead person, that's the opposite of what the Holy Spirit is - life giving. Paul had to educate the Corinthians on that in 1 Cor. 15.

But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” (1 Cor. 15:35)

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I don’t believe in ghosts.

Neither do I. At least not on earth. The closest analogy is the simulation theory, that this world is God's simulation, it's like the Matrix, the end of your mortal life is the end of your player character's life cycle, after that you return to God, get a review of your life and receive your reward accordingly.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

But the RCC says, “no, no, that’s not right. Only the body of man returns to dust, the man himself, the “real person” goes to be immediately with God.”

That’s because they twisted and added to the words of man’s creation by saying “man was given an immortal soul” rather than the actual words that say “the man became a living soul.”

That came from Platonic gnostic philosophy, in Hopeful2's term, the body is merely a "carrying case" of the soul. One of the core belief in the Nicene Creed is the "resurrection of the body", yet somehow it was changed into "eternality of the soul". A human being is not a snail, a conch or a turtle, you know, a human being is not ane ethereal ghost trapped in a shell. And it's not even scientific - ever heard of the gut-brain axis? The microbiota in your gut has a direct impact on your neural system, what you think as your "soul" - your consciousness, intelligence, emotion, memory, all of the above - is not isolated.

 

[Hopeful 2]

That came from Platonic gnostic philosophy, in Hopeful2's term, the body is merely a "carrying case" of the soul. One of the core belief in the Nicene Creed is the "resurrection of the body", yet somehow it was changed into "eternality of the soul". A human being is not a snail, a conch or a turtle, you know, a human being is not ane ethereal ghost trapped in a shell. And it's not even scientific - ever heard of the gut-brain axis? The microbiota in your gut has a direct impact on your neural system, what you think as your "soul" - your consciousness, intelligence, emotion, memory, all of the above - is not isolated.Doesn't that show the Nicene Creed is wrong ?

Where in the bible does it say "the body" will be resurrected ?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Where in the bible does it say "the body" will be resurrected ?

You tell me, genius.