SSB

[wigginsmum]

I've read your testimony already and according to the word of God there is more to do to be saved. You repented , but still need to be converted.

Now I haven't said you're not a Christian; I couldn't say one way or the other whether you are. I do know many Oneness doctrines are unbiblical and need to be exposed, but possibly this thread isn't the best place to do it.

Jules

 

[Rose of Sharon]

I've read your testimony already and according to the word of God there is more to do to be saved. You repented , but still need to be converted. Please don't be offended, I'm not meaning to do that. If someone told me this, I'd sure check it out.

Rose, I will ask you very kindly not to even suggest someone here IS NOT saved because they do not conform to your doctrine of salvation. We can and will come at youl...with scripture saying your way to salvation is not a requirement. We can even use the words of the Lord if you want, but I'll start with Paul.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I said "according " to scripture. Not according to my doctrine, Vic.
You can come at me all you wish with any scripture and I will come back also with scripture.
I have as much right to post my doctrine as anyone on here according to your rules. Am I right?

I have not attacked Jules or Lottie or SSB as a person. I have been trying to understand this goth religion and I posted my opinion and I would not be offended and have not been at Lottie or Jules for theres.
And I have merely posted how I have been saved as Jules asked of me.

And by my wording of needing to be converted, I was merely going by what I read in her testimony and the word of God and what I have been taught and perceive the word to be.

Why is it others on here can blast away at me , call me heretic, and a cult and crazy and say that I'm not saved and not get warned openely as you have done me, because it's happened plenty of times by you know who and plenty others.

I do ackowledge that Jules is a Christian, I just do not agree with the way she says she was saved.

I'm very Sorry if I offended. My words were not meant to.


Concerning the scriptures you posted in Romans is speaking of beleiving , not salvation. Salvation only is in the book of Acts. Thats not my doctrine, it's the word.

verse 9; says; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.

It doesn't say you are saved, it says "shalt be". Those are two different meanings altogether.
Being saved is an act, not just a thought.
Of course we need to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, but confessing alone and just beleiving doesn't make us "saved", or converted". We have to "act" on it to be saved. We have to seek.
Matthew 7:7-8.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

So, just beleiving and having faith and confessing with your mouth does not make you automatically saved.
Paul says in Acts 3:19;

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. ( which is being baptized with his spirit)

God bless

 

[Rose of Sharon]

I've read your testimony already and according to the word of God there is more to do to be saved. You repented , but still need to be converted.

Now I haven't said you're not a Christian; I couldn't say one way or the other whether you are. I do know many Oneness doctrines are unbiblical and need to be exposed, but possibly this thread isn't the best place to do it.

Jules

And I didn't say that you're not a christian .

Oneness is like any other organization, split into many different churches and preached by different ministers. Some preach the doctrine as the word would have it, in truth, others deviate from the truth and pervert the gospel.

And you're correct, this is not the thread for this type of discussion.

 

[sparrow]

Ummm... Rose.....

you apparently missed it so I will state it again...

Goth is not a religion....

it is a state of mind...
a subculture...

not a religion...

 

[Rose of Sharon]

Ummm... Rose.....

you apparently missed it so I will state it again...

Goth is not a religion....

it is a state of mind...
a subculture...

not a religion...

Okay, Thanks whatever, it's not of God. Thats all I know.

 

[Lottie]

I think if you look you will see no human culture is of God. That includes western culture and sadly Isreal too.

It comes from man having a fallen nature and living within a fallen world.

Thank you for the bible verse Vic. That is a well made point especially when one considers that Christ himself said

"I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world." - John 12:46-48 NKJ

I also believe that those who come to the cross and die to self recieve the holy spirit BUT I do not believe that this has to be the demonstarted in speaking in tongues. I do not need to pseak in tongues as I am able to express myself fairly succiently and articulatry when needed.
I do not need a sign to show me to have faith I have heard his word and I have believed it and accepted it.

Paul wrote quite a good apprisal of this here. The bod emphasis is mine.

1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I don't want you to be ignorant.
1Co 12:2 You know that when you were gentiles, you were enticed and led away to idols that couldn't even speak.
1Co 12:3 Therefore, I want you to know that no one who is speaking by God's Spirit can say, "Jesus is cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the Spirit is the same;
1Co 12:5 and there are varieties of ministries, but the Lord is the same;
1Co 12:6 and there are varieties of results, but God is the same, and it is he who produces all the results in everyone.

1Co 12:7 To each person has been given the ability to display the Spirit for the common good.
1Co 12:8 To one has been given a message of wisdom by the Spirit; to another the ability to speak with knowledge according to the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit; to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit;
1Co 12:10 to another miraculous results; to another prophecy; to another the ability to distinguish between spirits; to another various kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues.
1Co 12:11 But one and the same Spirit produces all these results and gives what he wants to each person.
1Co 12:12 For just as the body is one and yet has many parts, and all the parts of the body, though many, form one body, so it is with Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit all of us-Jews and Greeks, slaves and free-were baptized into one body and were all privileged to drink from one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body does not consist of only one part, but of many.
1Co 12:15 If the foot says, "Since I'm not a hand, I'm not part of the body," that does not make it any less a part of the body, does it?
1Co 12:16 And if the ear says, "Since I'm not an eye, I'm not part of the body," that does not make it any less a part of the body, does it?
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?
1Co 12:18 But at this very time God has arranged the parts, every one of them, in the body just as he wanted to.
1Co 12:19 Now if they were all one part, where would the body be?
1Co 12:20 So there are many parts, but one body.
1Co 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you," or the head to the feet, "I don't need you."
1Co 12:22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are in fact indispensable,
1Co 12:23 and the parts of the body that we think are less honorable are treated with special honor, and we make our less attractive parts more attractive.
1Co 12:24 However, our attractive parts don't need this. But God has put the body together and has given special honor to the parts that lack it,
1Co 12:25 so that there might be no disharmony in the body, but that its parts should have the same concern for each other.
1Co 12:26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it. If one part is praised, every part rejoices with it.
1Co 12:27 Now you are Christ's body and individual parts of it.
1Co 12:28 God has appointed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then those who perform miracles, those who have gifts of healing, those who help others, administrators, and various kinds of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform miracles, do they?
1Co 12:30 Not all have the gift of healing, do they? Not all speak in tongues, do they? Not all interpret, do they?
1Co 12:31 Keep on desiring the better gifts. And now I will show you the best way of all.

And at this point Paul then begins that marvelous chapter on the nature of Gods love and how Godly love should be.