Sweet Heart of Mary, be my salvation!

[donadams]

Mary can read my mind ,all knowing ?

I can only know my soul

No of course not
But there is the ministry of the angels and the God who is all knowing, the power of the holy spirit
Now answer my question

Every single person who has accepted Christ as their savior are sanctified, i.e., are saints. So if there is a single believer who is alive then no, the saints of God are not dead.

there is more than one kind of saint

 

[donadams]

When Jesus was asked by His disciples how they should pray He began "Our Father..." So if Jesus gave instructions to pray directly to God there is no need for any intercessors. Believers are God's adopted children; there is no need for a go-between! No believer needs "an attorney" to speak directly to the judge!

Then you give as an example, "Eternal Father, I offer Thee the precious blood of Jesus! Precious blood of Jesus, save us!" a) Aside from the doctrinal errors, why are you praying to God instead of going through an intercessor? That is contrary to your own instructions! and b) How can you offer the blood of Jesus??? Do you have it in a vial somewhere? And c), then you ask the blood to save you??? So you believe that God can't save you???

In offering the blood of Jesus we are offering His infinite merits accomplished by His sacrifice

The precious blood is intercession in this case

What is a believer?
Is a believer a Christian?
Is a believer saved?

 

[donadams]

Regarding "The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!", here is what the Bible says about Jesus' relationship to His mother...

"While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers were standing outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” But to the one who had told him this, Jesus replied, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:46-50

So should someone believe what the word of God -- the Bible -- clearly says about how Jesus regarded His mother after He was anointed by the Holy Spirit, or believe the fable that your denomination invented?

Jesus was glorifying Mary! Amen!
Lk 1:45

 

[jasonc]

No of course not
But there is the ministry of the angels and the God who is all knowing, the power of the holy spirit
Now answer my question

there is more than one kind of saint

Then why pray to dead.why can't I simply pray to my pastor and sits or stands as I kneel ,face down ,in tears to have him seek God for me?

Instead of asking .look i know heirachy well.i could punish a pvt or subordinate for failing to respect me by addressing rank ,and or standing in parade rest when talking to me .even put him in jail .rare but enough times they do take rank and also confine(art 15).

I don't see Jesus wanting persons to seek higher office ,instead it's serve and I lift you up and you are no better then those I ask you to serve .be the least .

 

[jaybo]

No of course not
But there is the ministry of the angels and the God who is all knowing, the power of the holy spirit
Now answer my question

there is more than one kind of saint

What is your basis for saying that there is more than one kind of saint? "Saint" means "sanctified", nothing more. Perhaps in Catholicism there is more than one kind of saint, but it's not Biblical.

 

[donadams]

In short ya know only if they made to heaven outside of who.

The patron saint of protection .

Where is he in the bible ?
See Muslims would wear that and think they wouldn't die and also Catholics and sinners.

Rather then simply letting God protect and decide . That's one of many problems .a God for this problem .

God does thru his saints and angels too

 

[jasonc]

God does thru his saints and angels too

So why not pray to him.

My mind and memory is powerful.i can skip the computer I carry and use my cell phone and input reads and not miss the houses by much if at all .

I can pray in my mind .no angel or saint hears me ,yet God does.

Makes no sense to pray to my grandfather a Catholic over things .

Btw if they are aware,then they feel all that we do ,death and sadness.their is no sadness not sorrow in heaven .

God deals with us not them

 

[Mungo]

Then why pray to dead.

They aren't dead. They are alive in heaven

why can't I simply pray to my pastor

We use pray in this way with the meaning ask.
So we ask someone in heaven or earth to pray for us.
You can ask your pastor to pray for you if you want to.

Paul asked people to pray for him:
"Pray also for me, so that when I speak, a message may be given to me to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it boldly, as I must speak." (Eph 6:19-20)

"At the same time pray for us as well....." (Col 4:3)

"Beloved, pray for us." (1Thess 5:25)

"Finally, brothers and sister, pray for us....." (2 Thess 3:1)

 

[donadams]

Then why pray to dead.why can't I simply pray to my pastor and sits or stands as I kneel ,face down ,in tears to have him seek God for me?

Instead of asking .look i know heirachy well.i could punish a pvt or subordinate for failing to respect me by addressing rank ,and or standing in parade rest when talking to me .even put him in jail .rare but enough times they do take rank and also confine(art 15).

I don't see Jesus wanting persons to seek higher office ,instead it's serve and I lift you up and you are no better then those I ask you to serve .be the least .

We don’t pray to the dead
Our prayers are Directed to God and Answered by God thur the intercession of His saints lk 1:37

Not dead

God of the living!

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Only one mediator?

1 Tim 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;


NOT found in the Bible are..........

“prayer to saints”

1st we don’t pray to saints, our prayers are directed to God (who alone can hear and answer prayer) thru the intercession of the saints rev 5:8 with the ministering angels. Heb 1:14


Jesus Christ is the Head of the church Eph 5:23 the only mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and chief intercessor, makes intercession for the saints! (The church) Rom 8:26-27 8:34 heb 7:25

The saints also make intercession!

1 Timothy 2:1
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

James 5:16 …The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Jn 11:25 (the saints are alive) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Lk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

All generations call me blessed! Lk 1:
Thanksgiving in praise of Mary for bearing our savior! Matt 1:23 And finding our salvation! Lk 1:30

Praise honor veneration and devotion redound to the Glory of God who created Mary immaculate Lk 1:49 as Christ source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17

Praise, honor, veneration, and devotion are not worship, worship requires intent!

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

 

[donadams]

What is your basis for saying that there is more than one kind of saint? "Saint" means "sanctified", nothing more. Perhaps in Catholicism there is more than one kind of saint, but it's not Biblical.

Called to be saints rom 1:7
Canonized saints is another
Rev 5:8

 

[donadams]

So why not pray to him.

My mind and memory is powerful.i can skip the computer I carry and use my cell phone and input reads and not miss the houses by much if at all .

I can pray in my mind .no angel or saint hears me ,yet God does.

Makes no sense to pray to my grandfather a Catholic over things .

Btw if they are aware,then they feel all that we do ,death and sadness.their is no sadness not sorrow in heaven .

God deals with us not them

Communion of saints
All of us
Do you ask anyone to pray for you?

 

[Corn Pop]

Jesus was glorifying Mary! Amen!
Lk 1:45

Elizabeth said blessed is she who believed God. Mary believed God and it was credited to her as righteous. Like Moses, Noah, Abraham, Issac, and everyone else.

Faith is belief in something not seen. Mary believed the scriptures and believed God. Faith in God is believing God even have not seen and that is credited as righteous in God's eyes. Jesus said blessed are they who have not seen yet believed.

Zechariah and Elizabeth are called righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. The believed God and the scriptures it was credited to them as righteous.

Blameless/righteous does not mean never sinned in the flesh. It's just believing and having faith in God.

 

[jaybo]

Jesus was glorifying Mary! Amen!
Lk 1:45

Jesus was glorifying Mary by saying openly that His mother and brothers were His disciples, not His mother (Mary) and brothers (proving that Mary had intercourse multiple times) who cam to talk Him out of His ministry?

You have a very, very false way of interpreting what the Bible clearly says!!!

Matthew 12:48-49, "But to the one who had told him this, Jesus replied, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers!"

How do you have the gall to deliberately distort God's word??? The Bible clearly shows that Jesus regarded others as His mother and brothers!!!

And Luke 1:45 has nothing to do with it!

 

[evenifigoalone]

This is one thing I have trouble accepting as a potentially converting Catholic: the veneration of Mary. I feel many take it too far.
As far as I understand, Catholic teaching is that when Jesus told his disciple that Mary would be his mother, that Jesus was declaring her to be a mother figure for all Catholics. So if that's the case, that's one thing. But claiming Mary gives salvation seems totally bonkers.

 

[donadams]

Mary is not our Savior and does not and can not intercede for us. She is a woman who found favor with God, but she is a sinner just like every single one of us and she needed to accept Jesus as her Lord and Savior in order to be saved.

Biblical principle:

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!

Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!

So Mary CANNOT be a sinner or a bad tree!

Mary’s throne is the throne of divine grace! Heb 4:16

 

[donadams]

Bible proves that Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God & mother of our salvation is not a sinner!

Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women.

How can God fill a sinner with grace, and remain a sinner?
Hail Mary full of grace!

How can the Lord be with a sinner?
The lord is with thee!

How can sinner be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!

Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How can a sinner be the mother of God?

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How could sinner be faithful?

Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

How could a sinner magnify the Lord?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

How could sinner be humble?

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

How could sinner be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus in Her?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How could sinner be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?

Jn 2 how could Christ obey a sinner and perform a miracle in which his disciples believed in him?

Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

How could sinner be our spiritual mother?

Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation!

How could a sinner be the mother of our salvation?





Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

It is really God who greeting Mary with the “Hail Mary”!
Lk 1:26 & Lk 1:45
(And asking for her consent to our salvation as Eve consented to our fall)

Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Only christ is born of Mary according to scripture:

Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Only the Holy Ghost conceived in Mary according to scripture:

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.


Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

A son singular not a family:

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Only the God-man is born of a Virgin-mother

 

[Corn Pop]

This is one thing I have trouble accepting as a potentially converting Catholic: the veneration of Mary. I feel many take it too far.
As far as I understand, Catholic teaching is that when Jesus told his disciple that Mary would be his mother, that Jesus was declaring her to be a mother figure for all Catholics. So if that's the case, that's one thing. But claiming Mary gives salvation seems totally bonkers.

Acts 4:12


Even Mary herself said "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior"

Mary claims she needed a savior. She needed God to deliver his promise, that being she needed Christ and his work equally as everyone else. She needed her own Son to save her.

Salvation through Mary?, in the correct context, that being Christ in her womb and she gave birth to the Christ, so through her is salvation.

 

[donadams]

This is one thing I have trouble accepting as a potentially converting Catholic: the veneration of Mary. I feel many take it too far.
As far as I understand, Catholic teaching is that when Jesus told his disciple that Mary would be his mother, that Jesus was declaring her to be a mother figure for all Catholics. So if that's the case, that's one thing. But claiming Mary gives salvation seems totally bonkers.

Exalting Mary is idolatry?

Mary and all the saints obtained grace, virtues, and merits from God’s infinite goodness, mercy and love and their praises end in the glory of Christ the source of all grace and of God. Jn 1:16-17 Lk 1:49

Not by nature but by supernatural grace!

Mary and the saints are what God made them not according nature but by the supernatural grace of God!
Lk 1:49

Glory to God for His mighty works and grace and mercy in His saints!
2 thes 1:10

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, cos Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death.


Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

There is another point that Jesus is making when he says: what does it have to do with you and me? My hour hath not yet come. Indicating that when it does come Mary will have a prominent role to play. See Lk 2:35

 

[donadams]

This is one thing I have trouble accepting as a potentially converting Catholic: the veneration of Mary. I feel many take it too far.
As far as I understand, Catholic teaching is that when Jesus told his disciple that Mary would be his mother, that Jesus was declaring her to be a mother figure for all Catholics. So if that's the case, that's one thing. But claiming Mary gives salvation seems totally bonkers.

Mother of our savior. Matt 2:11
Mother of our salvation. Lk 2:30
Found our salvation. Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation. Lk 1:38
Faithful Lk 1:45

 

[donadams]

Spiritual Mother!

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.





Spiritual Mother!

Mary is our spiritual mother

Mary is the Mother of the living in Christ and the new creation!

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not just asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so. There is no requirement to maker her his mother just to take care of her!

Jesus is in the very least making Mary John’s spiritual mother! And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!
What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He proved Mary the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.





It must be an Absurd assertion to say Jesus is only asking John (personal name) to care for Mary?

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

If that’s true (and He never says anything about caring for her) then why would the second part be included? Behold Thy son!

The disciple becomes Mary’s son
Mary becomes his mother.

Is Christ asking Mary to care for John?

Jesus is giving all “disciples” a spiritual mother like eve the mother of the living, Gen 3:20 and Rachel is the spiritual mother of the children of Israel in the old covenant, Matt 2:18 Mary is the mother of all those alive in Christ! Mother of divine grace and salvation! Rev 12:17