I agree,I think that's the whole point of forgiveness. We don't get what we deserve.
Premise 1: we don't get what we deserve.
Premise 2: The definition of justice is to get what we deserve
Premise 3: God is just/righteous to a fault (no exceptions, perfect, infinite)
Conclusion: Forgiveness alone does not satisfy God's righteousness/justice and therefore the Atonement cannot be satisfied by 'forgiveness' alone.
Well, I went to 1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. (Aside: Hey, 1 John 2:2 is probably one of your favorite GO TO verses)I don't think propitiation is a good translation of the Greek hilasterion. Hilasterion is translated "mercy seat" all through the Bible with the exception of three passages.
Morphology: N-NM-S Strong's: 2434 Transliterated: hilasmos Root: ἱλασμός
1) an appeasing, propitiating 2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation
Says in the first source I went to that PROPITIATE fits. No mention of MERCY SEAT.
Same result (propitiate) for 1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Are you saying God has not been PROPITIATED or are you saying that God can be PROPITIATED by something else and if so what? Can God be PROPITIATED by just sweeping sin under the carpet and saying I forgive? If so, why not forgive everyone, man and angels, for everything (ALL without exception)?
Again, not that this topic is of extreme importance ... an interested thing to contemplate. Aside: You sure you don't want to come pur side, we would love to have you back.