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Another thing to consider with tattoos is that it is graffiti that defiles the outside of the temple of our bodies.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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One way to defile our temple is by committing fornication (1 Cor 6:18-20). Other ways are by tattooing it, purposely shaving our heads or faces bald, cutting our flesh for the dead, eating swine's flesh, etc. Of course, most Christians would not consider these things as defiling because they erroneously believe the Law of Yahweh is abolished.
 
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Rollo Tamasi said:
God's going to put a mark on our foreheads.
Isn't that like a tatoo?
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I don't view that as being literal. That mark is His name and His Son's name written on the forehead. I believe that is referring to knowing and using their names. However, even if the mark is literal, it doesn't matter. The command is that WE do not print marks on our bodies. If HE chooses to do so according to His will, it would not break the command.
 
jocor said:
There is no doubt it is a sin against God.

Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD (YHWH)...​
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As I've said before, the only scripture used to make today's art of tattooing a sin is scripture that has to be taken out of context and mis-applied, which is what those who use this text are doing whether they realize it or not. There is no problem if a person chooses to avoid a certain thing because they feel God leading them in this direction. That's fine and respectable. But that kind of leading doesn't give them the right to pass judgement on everyone else and represent their own personal leading (or their own personal tastes and preferences) off as God's word to everyone else. That's not fine or respectable.

Jocor, I understand that by your own admission you are not a Christian and therefore you probably don't really understand a lot of Christian principles, but please read the context of this scripture closely and understand if you want to apply this to your own life in the way that you are applying it to Christians, to avoid hypocrisy there are also a lot of other things in this section of scripture that you will also need to apply to your own life that Christians are not required to apply. Maybe you are doing that if you are a Jew, but Christians are not under these requirements.

Also note that this scripture (Lev 19:29) is talking about a specific kind of tattoo used for a specific kind of pagan religious ceremony for the dead. I'm not talking off the top of my head here. I've done a lot of research into this when it came up as a serious issue in a church I attended at one time. In this scripture Israel was being prohibited from participating in these kind of pagan ceremonies mentioned in this scripture. This has nothing to do with tattoos in general even for those of the Jewish religion. Man's additional and unscriptural rules may say they are sinful, but scripture (therefore God) doesn't say this.


jocor said:
...If one gets a tattoo after becoming a believer, it can be forgiven, but it will result in loss of rewards in the Kingdom as will any sin...
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There is no scripture saying that having a tattoo will result in any kind of loss of reward in heaven. This is not true.


jocor said:
...Getting a tattoo is also conforming to the world as Toby's testimony reveals.
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I will go back to read this, but it sounds like a personal decision, not God's word telling us this...

(Edit: I checked, there is no post here from "Toby". In fact we don't even have a member called "Toby", so this statement is irrelevant. )
 
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jocor said:
I didn't say "rewards in heaven", but "rewards in the Kingdom" meaning the Kingdom on Earth.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Tattoos would be among the least of the commandments. It will not go well for anyone who breaks even the least of the commandments after becoming a believer. They will not lose their salvation, but they will lose honor and rewards.

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.​

One example of such rewards is found in the Parable of Pounds (Luke 19:12-27). Another is that the disciples will receive a special reward as found in Mat 19:28. Mat 20:23 tells us that the reward of sitting on Yeshua's right and left hands will be granted to two individuals by the Father.
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jocor said:
I didn't say "rewards in heaven", but "rewards in the Kingdom" meaning the Kingdom on Earth.
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Yet none of the scripture you cited says any of this. In fact they specifically refer to rewards in heaven not rewards on earth!
jocor said:
...Tattoos would be among the least of the commandments. It will not go well for anyone who breaks even the least of the commandments after becoming a believer. They will not lose their salvation, but they will lose honor and rewards.
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Yet as I have stated before, you have no basis in properly read, in context scripture to say that all tattoos are a sin. (Only tattoos gotten from participating in pagan religious ceremonies are sinful, and that specifically because participating in the ceremony to worship a false God was the actual sin, not the act of making a "mark" on your body in and of itself!) So this statement simply is not true according to scripture.
 
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Rollo Tamasi said:
Maybe having any type of tatoo is the mark of the beast.
Ever think of that?
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Yes, I have thought about that. And came to the realization that this is just a made up idea of people who don't like tattoos that has no basis in God's word.
 
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jocor said:
Another thing to consider with tattoos is that it is graffiti that defiles the outside of the temple of our bodies.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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One way to defile our temple is by committing fornication (1 Cor 6:18-20). Other ways are by tattooing it, purposely shaving our heads or faces bald, cutting our flesh for the dead, eating swine's flesh, etc. Of course, most Christians would not consider these things as defiling because they erroneously believe the Law of Yahweh is abolished.
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As a non-Christian I understand why you would have this perspective, flawed as I consider it to be. But for how it applies to Christians you are wrong. We are not under the OT laws, especially the ones you are trying to force on us here. You are free to reject Christ and the freedom he gives to us if that's what you choose to do, but you can not force that onto Christians. We are not constrained to work our way to heaven or to work for rewards in heaven by following hundreds and hundreds of rules as are those who follow the Jewish religion. Claiming that we are makes the sacrifice of Jesus worthless and meaningless.
 
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jocor said:
I don't view that as being literal. That mark is His name and His Son's name written on the forehead. I believe that is referring to knowing and using their names. However, even if the mark is literal, it doesn't matter. The command is that WE do not print marks on our bodies. If HE chooses to do so according to His will, it would not break the command.
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So then if you are going to apply this to tattoos because you believe there is a command against them, you have to apply this to all things that God has commanded us not to do. So you have to say it's OK for God to fornicate. It's OK for God to commit adultery... The list goes on and on. I simply can't agree with this.
 
jocor said:
Another thing to consider with tattoos is that it is graffiti that defiles the outside of the temple of our bodies.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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One way to defile our temple is by committing fornication (1 Cor 6:18-20). Other ways are by tattooing it, purposely shaving our heads or faces bald, cutting our flesh for the dead, eating swine's flesh, etc. Of course, most Christians would not consider these things as defiling because they erroneously believe the Law of Yahweh is abolished.
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The Law of Yahweh has too many laws. I have no idea how anyone could memorise them all just to try and live righteous, it would drive a man insane.
 
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