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Tatoos

The native tribal tattoos. The whole tribe history, and personal life history is tattooed on the face. This way other people from there tribe, and other tribes, know who you are, where your from, what tribe you belong, what you do, and everything inbetween. Its like a language written on the face.


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kiwidan said:
The Law of Yahweh has too many laws. I have no idea how anyone could memorise them all just to try and live righteous, it would drive a man insane.
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Exactly. That was the purpose of the Old Testament law, to show us how impossible it is for us to follow those laws perfectly in order to work our way to heaven. The purpose was to show us in no uncertain terms that we need the gift of salvation through Jesus to free us from all of that. But there are still some who insist that we either have to follow those laws or suffer the consequences. This is simply not the gospel of Jesus!
 
Obadiah said:
Exactly. That was the purpose of the Old Testament law, to show us how impossible it is for us to follow those laws perfectly in order to work our way to heaven. The purpose was to show us in no uncertain terms that we need the gift of salvation through Jesus to free us from all of that. But there are still some who insist that we either have to follow those laws or suffer the consequences. This is simply not the gospel of Jesus!
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Agree, but then they are still Gods laws and people should do there best to hold them if they know them.

Like if God says dont lust your neighbours donkey, I would hope that christians dont believe its done away from Christ so they can now lust they neighbours donkey.

Dont eat pork. Why does do not lust still stand and believed, but eating pork does not?. Thats half pie.
 
kiwidan said:
Agree, but then they are still Gods laws and people should do there best to hold them if they know them.

Like if God says dont lust your neighbours donkey, I would hope that christians dont believe its done away from Christ so they can now lust they neighbours donkey.
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An excellent reply.

kiwidan said:
Dont eat pork. Why does do not lust still stand and believed, but eating pork does not?. Thats half pie.
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Because the literal old covenant laws of separation, cleanliness, and worship found in the law now find their true spiritual fulfillment in this New Covenant. The literal command to not eat pork and various other 'unclean' animals was a one of many literal old covenant requirements that have now been laid aside in this New Covenant in favor of the true spiritual fulfillment and intent hiding behind those old literal commands but which are now unveiled for us in this New Covenant to be kept in the new way of faith (Romans 7:6).

You see the commands to not indulge unclean things have not been destroyed. The old literal way to do that has been set aside as not needed anymore to bring us close to God in worship. We are still required to not become unclean by unclean things. It's just that the illustrations used to teach that truth in the old covenant weren't really the things that make us unclean. They illustrated the things that really do make us unclean. And so when we avoid those things that really do make us unclean we are upholding the lawful requirement to not become unclean through the consumption of unclean things.

In regard to things like not stealing, not lying, etc., those aren't illustrations of spiritual realities. They are already the spiritual realities that we are to uphold through our faith in God.
 
kiwidan said:
Agree, but then they are still Gods laws and people should do there best to hold them if they know them.

Like if God says dont lust your neighbours donkey, I would hope that christians dont believe its done away from Christ so they can now lust they neighbours donkey.

Dont eat pork. Why does do not lust still stand and believed, but eating pork does not?. Thats half pie.
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That's what the judaisers will try to tell you, and they will use all kinds of examples of Christians supposedly saying since we have freedom from the law we think it's ok to do things like murder people or steal from them, etc, etc. This is a bunch of hogwash. We were freed from following the Old Testament law by Jesus, but He also told us "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. (John 15:12 ESV emphasis mine) So how did Jesus love us? In the next sentence Jesus says "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13 ESV) So if you love others in this way will you covet or steal his donkey? (I THINK you meant "covet" his donkey, not "lust" after his donkey!) Of course you won't. If you love him enough that you would even lay down your life for him as Jesus did for us, then you will be happy for him that he HAS a donkey. Of course you aren't going to steal it. You don't need the 10 commandments to act this way. You only need the commandment of Jesus, who WE CHRISTIANS follow.

As for eating pork... Does this violate Jesus commandment to love one another as He loved us? No! Of course not! This isn't "half pie" at all for a Christian. It may be for a Jew or someone trying to act like a Jew, but it is not for a Christian. Because eating pork doesn't mean you aren't loving your fellow man. And this applies to an awful lot of those hundreds of OT laws too. Such as not shaving, not getting tattoos (actually I contend that this was never an OT law to begin with as long as it wasn't done as part of a pagan ritual), not wearing two different types of cloth at the same time, etc, etc.

So yeah, if you are a Christian you are not required to follow all of the laws of the Old Testament. Nothing at all "half pie" about it. You are only required to follow Jesus law, which is to love your fellow man. If that love causes you to also be inline with an OT law, fine. But the reason you are inline with it is out of love for your fellow man as commanded by Jesus, not because you are still under some kind of command to follow OT law.
 
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2 years ago staff decided we had an over load of tatt threads.. a moratorium was placed ... this thread will be closed while staff has a discussion.. the reopening will determined at that time...
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